The Two Beasts and the harlot of Revelation Explained

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

Abram's Awakening said:
Yes, the war within...
The conflict of two natures described by my brother Paul in Romans. "For the flesh is weak, but the Spirit is willing."

I struggle with myself daily and I continue to ask the Lord how long oh Lord will you allow me to live my ways and in ignorance to yoir ways. You have allowed me free reign for a good part of my life, now is your turn to work on me so that I live for you.

My joy in the Lord is to take part in his joy, peace, love and victories.

What misery would be a life if I continue in me. My self has brought great shame upon my head and the self is my number one enemy that stands between my will and the Lord's will.

Abram's Awakening · Dec 7, 2015

What came out of the roman catholic church that has had a significant impact on western civilization in regards to apostasy? Consider deceptions as a wolf in sheeps clothing...

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

cgaviria said:
Nah it means utter destruction. The language is figurative in that the harlot will be burned with fire and eat her flesh, but the literal interpretation is this,

The Vatican will be ransacked - eat her flesh.
The Vatican will be burned with fire - the harlot will be burned with fire.

This destruction is so great that there is almost an entire chapter dedicated to the final destruction of Babylon.

[2] And he cried out in strength of voice, saying, Is fallen, is fallen, Babylon the great, and is become home of daimons, and a prison of every [*2*spirit *1*unclean], and a prison of every [*4*bird *1*unclean *2*and *3*detested]. [3] For of the rage of the wine of her harlotry [*4*are given to drink *1*all *2*the *3*nations]; and the kings of the earth [*2*with *3*her *1*committed harlotry]; and the merchants of the earth [*2*of *3*the *4*power *5*of her indulgence *1*were enriched].
(Revelation of John 18:2-3 [ABP])

This is one of the final signs precluding the second coming. It is still far off in time? Probably, as there is currently no indication that the euro would do such a thing or any of its member countries. In fact, I believe that the euro hasn't even completely formed into the grandness it is meant to become before its final hour. I believe it will centralize more and become a more united states of europe in the oncoming time.

When people leave it, then is her flesh not consuned?

Does this mean literal destruction by military operation or by the fire of tge Spirit that condemns it and as a result her flesh is eaten and her congregation dispersed?

cgaviria · Dec 7, 2015

Berean777 said:
When people leave it, then is her flesh not consuned?

Does this mean literal destruction by military operation or by the fire of tge Spirit that condemns it and as a result her flesh is eaten and her congregation dispersed?

I believe in the utter destruction of it. Why? Because it has stood for more than 1,500 years killing the saints. So its just judgment is for it to be burned with fire. I take any prophecy like this seriously. Just like the old prophets predicted actual exiles and oncoming destructions to nations and the children of Israel, I believe this to be a prediction of destruction of the Vatican.

Abram's Awakening · Dec 7, 2015

Berean777 said:
I struggle with myself daily and I continue to ask the Lord how long oh Lord will you allow me to live my ways and in ignorance to yoir ways. You have allowed me free reign for a good part of my life, now is your turn to work on me so that I live for you.

My joy in the Lord is to take part in his joy, peace, love and victories.

What misery would be a life if I continue in me. My self has brought great shame upon my head and the self is my number one enemy that stands between my will and the Lord's will.

For I strayed, and then I repented. I beat my breast for my shame and humiliation. I smote my thigh, for I bore the reproach of my youth. (Jerimiah 31)

This is the first step of baptism. To acknowledge the evil within ourselves. It's in all of us. And it falls on us like hundred pound hailstones(guilt).

For how can we be healed and cleansed to walk His path, if we cannot perceive nor understand the folly that leads us astray?

Abram's Awakening · Dec 7, 2015

Berean777 said:
When people leave it, then is her flesh not consuned?

Does this mean literal destruction by military operation or by the fire of tge Spirit that condemns it and as a result her flesh is eaten and her congregation dispersed?

There are two forms of fire. One is to refine-The Living Word of God. The other is to destroy-The deceptions of Lucifer. They both burn, however...

Abram's Awakening · Dec 7, 2015

The important: To love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and might...

But how can one love someone they do not know?

This was what my Lord taught me in the beginning. This is my foundation...

And many will ask, "Where can we find Him so that we get to know Him and love Him?"

The Word is near you...

Open your Bible and read it not like a book, but realize that you are sitting face to face with "The theif of the night" and... "The lightening that flashed here from the east."

God Bless...

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

cgaviria said:
I believe in the utter destruction of it. Why? Because it has stood for more than 1,500 years killing the saints. So its just judgment is for it to be burned with fire. I take any prophecy like this seriously. Just like the old prophets predicted actual exiles and oncoming destructions to nations and the children of Israel, I believe this to be a prediction of destruction of the Vatican.

I beseech thee brother not to thirst for revenge, butto abide in love.

The destruction of Jezebel was at the hands of her own eunuchs. Her eunuchs feed her to the dogs where they shredded her to pieces. The King oc Israel instructed not his army to destroy her but for her flesh to be eaten by dogs. However her king that she wielded was destroyed by war and an army.

God deals with the false religious system differently than the beast she rides

When the king puts in the hearts of the ten religious heads to burn her with the fire from their mouths to expose her lies, then the eunuches within her will do the rest by dismembering her.
Then the Lord turns on her kings to comfound them to the destruction of war.

That is how God is seen to work.

Abram's Awakening · Dec 7, 2015

One more thing...

Christ came as a manifestation of the Godhead to destroy the works of the devil...

With that said, this war cannot be fought with weapons to destroy the flesh. Like relying on Egypt to provide horseman and bowmen. Or Greeks with swords and shields, or Romans with Republic figures or democracy...

This war consists of souls of which coincides with communication.

Well, our only communication among souls is with the use of words...

This is a war of words...
Whose Word are going to use?

cgaviria · Dec 7, 2015

Berean777 said:
I beseech thee brother not to thirst for revenge, butto abide in love.

The destruction of Jezebel was at the hands of her own eunuchs. Her eunuchs feed her to the dogs where they shredded her to pieces. The King oc Israel instructed not his army to destroy her but for her flesh to be eaten by dogs. However her king that she wielded was destroyed by war and an army.

God deals with the false religious system differently than the beast she rides

When the king puts in the hearts of the ten religious heads to burn her with the fire from their mouths to expose her lies, then the eunuches within her will do the rest by dismembering her.
Then the Lord turns on her kings to comfound them to the destruction of war.

That is how God is seen to work.

Of course I want revenge against that horrible false church that has killed our brothers and sisters in Christ, but not by my own hand, but by the hand of God,

Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. (Romans 12:19)

Yet even so, I also hope that many more come out of that church and come to the repentance and salvation of the Lord.

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

Abram's Awakening said:
One more thing...

Christ came as a manifestation of the Godhead to destroy the works of the devil...

With that said, this war cannot be fought with weapons to destroy the flesh. Like relying on Egypt to provide horseman and bowmen. Or Greeks with swords and shields, or Romans with Republic figures or democracy...

This war consists of souls of which coincides with communication.

Well, our only communication among souls is with the use of words...

This is a war of words...
Whose Word are going to use?

Absolutely it comes down to spiritual weapons mentioned in ephesians.

It is all about the hearts and mind of people and not to show powers of real weapons. No one is convinced or gained by force.

That is why God deals with the religious differently than the beast.

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

cgaviria said:
Of course I want revenge against that horrible false church that has killed our brothers and sisters in Christ, but not by my own hand, but by the hand of God,

Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. (Romans 12:19)

Yet even so, I also hope that many more come out of that church and come to the repentance and salvation of the Lord.

For the hearts and minds of those captive in her deception. They are priority before vengence. Christ must have his sons and daughters back first. This happens through non destructive measures.

The sons and daughters themselves will leave her barren and her flesh is dissolved in that manner by the fire that proceeds from the mouth of the ten patriarchal heads that expose her lies.

cgaviria · Dec 7, 2015

Berean777 said:
For the hearts and minds of those captive in her deception. They are priority before vengence. Christ must have his sons and daughters back first. This happens through non destructive measures.

The sons and daughters themselves will leave her barren and her flesh is dissolved in that manner by the fire that proceeds from the mouth of the ten patriarchal heads that expose her lies.

So if you believe this prophecy is figurative, do you also believe the second coming is figurative as well?

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

The ten patriarchal heads must be first reeled back from the deception as the ten kings of the Lord of the Rings who fall under her spell. The spell must be broken by Christ's witnesses.

We are doing our best and sooner or later God will put it in their hearts to leave her to dry.

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

cgaviria said:
So if you believe this prophecy is figurative, do you also believe the second coming is figurative as well?

Second coming from the context of the departed yes, but not from the context of the world seeing a manifested messiah, becauae the Lord said the world sees me no more.

cgaviria · Dec 7, 2015

Berean777 said:
Second coming from the context of the departed yes, but not from the context of the world seeing a manifested messiah, becauae the Lord said the world sees me no more.

He said the world sees me no more, but then I will come back. Not believing in the literal second coming is a serious deal bud. You're denying not only what scriptures say will happen, but you're also denying the literal power of God.

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

cgaviria said:
He said the world sees me no more, but then I will come back. Not believing in the literal second coming is a serious deal bud. You're denying not only what scriptures say will happen, but you're also denying the literal power of God.

I believe in a second coming after we finish our race whilst keeping the faith.

The words Jesus said that the world see me no more is from a visible manifesyed context. Yet within the context of the giving of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost he said I will not leave you orphans and will come back to you from a spiritual Holy Spirit context as he states you in me and I in you.
Even so he is coming back to the believers and not the unbelieving world.

The believers know him and will see him spiritually and thr world will be oblivious to this.

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

So you now understand that the unbelieving world see him no more. So there is no literal manifested earthly coming.

Our gathering to the Lord is through death and onto resurrection where we will be reunited with him in his Father's house.

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

He is drawing us up onto him through death and onto eternal life in the glorified body.

Berean777 · Dec 7, 2015

Saint Stephen beheld the Lord's second coming and testified of seeing the Lord coming with the clouds of heaven.

All eyes shall see him because all men are destined to die once then judgement before the Lord where he separates his sheep from the goats.

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