The truth revealed by God CANNOT change!

[Athanasius377]

Then I guess this is goodbye then.......bye!

We’re saying the same thing. Maybe I’m having a bad day and I’m not being clear.

 

[Julian of Norwich]

We’re saying the same thing. Maybe I’m having a bad day and I’m not being clear.

I did understand all you posted quite clearly.

 

[bbbbbbb]

But the Church can get around that simply by calling the changes "development of doctrine."

 

[concretecamper]

Certainly. Here's an article from a Catholic source including examples as you requested:

: Quidlibet : › Papa Pachamama’s Profession of the Modernist Heresy

Here's an excerpt from the article. It follows references to official documents and the statements of several Popes. The red part is colored and bolded by me for emphasis; everything else is as written in the article.

"The argument here, once again, is that a dogma can “evolve” to have a new meaning which is the diametric opposite of its original sense. Thus, we can evolve from the proposition, “Lacking baptism, an unbaptized child cannot go to heaven,” to “Well, we can hope that that dogma is false, because we now realize that the Church misunderstood the Gospel.” This is yet another real twofer: No only does it get you dogmatic evolution, but it also gets you a magisterium that can teach the opposite of a truth of revelation."

Haha, an article from a Sedevacantist. Nice try. Next we will see an article from an ex priest who is now married.

Vatican I
If anyone says that it is possible that at some time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the Church which is different from that which the Church has understood and understands: let him be anathema.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Haha, an article from a Sedevacantist. Nice try. Next we will see an article from an ex priest who is now married.

Vatican I
If anyone says that it is possible that at some time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the Church which is different from that which the Church has understood and understands: let him be anathema.

When was the Second Vatican Council officially anathematized?

 

[Major1]

We’re saying the same thing. Maybe I’m having a bad day and I’m not being clear.

That is exactly what I meant my brother. Maybe I was not reading and understanding properly.

To this day, I still think that Donald Duck is more popular than Mickey Mouse.

 

[concretecamper]

When was the Second Vatican Council officially anathematized?

no

 

[bbbbbbb]

no

Exactly.

 

[Major1]

hen was the Second Vatican Council o

Trick question???

 

[concretecamper]

ck questi

ink so

 

[bbbbbbb]

Trick question???

Absolutely. There is no doubt that the Second Vatican Council made significant changes to the Roman Catholic Church which have been steadily implemented since then, even as the Council of Trent initiated the Counter-Reformation. Catholics tend to blur any of these changes as insignificant tweaks such as merely shifting a hunk of stone from a wall into the space formed under architectural crossing of the church building. A few Catholics have attempted to call the Church out on these changes, insisting, for example, on retaining the Latin mass rather than shifting to mass in the common languages of the areas where churches are located.

 

[concretecamper]

Absolutely. There is no doubt that the Second Vatican Council made significant changes to the Roman Catholic Church which have been steadily implemented since then, even as the Council of Trent initiated the Counter-Reformation. Catholics tend to blur any of these changes as insignificant tweaks such as merely shifting a hunk of stone from a wall into the space formed under architectural crossing of the church building. A few Catholics have attempted to call the Church out on these changes, insisting, for example, on retaining the Latin mass rather than shifting to mass in the common languages of the areas where churches are located.

ah, I see how this addresses my post responding to the Church changing doctrine.

 

[bbbbbbb]

ah, I see how this addresses my post responding to the Church changing doctrine.

Thank you. What is your understanding of Vatican II?

 

[concretecamper]

Thank you. What is your understanding of Vatican II?

thank you for your contribution.

 

[Major1]

Absolutely. There is no doubt that the Second Vatican Council made significant changes to the Roman Catholic Church which have been steadily implemented since then, even as the Council of Trent initiated the Counter-Reformation. Catholics tend to blur any of these changes as insignificant tweaks such as merely shifting a hunk of stone from a wall into the space formed under architectural crossing of the church building. A few Catholics have attempted to call the Church out on these changes, insisting, for example, on retaining the Latin mass rather than shifting to mass in the common languages of the areas where churches are located.

I agree!

 

[Major1]

Thank you. What is your understanding of Vatican II?

Pretty much just what you just posted.

 

[tz620q]

But the Church can get around that simply by calling the changes "development of doctrine."

Protestant motto: "Seeking disagreement in the midst of agreement for 500 years and counting".

 

[concretecamper]

Protestant motto: "Seeking disagreement in the midst of agreement for 500 years and counting".

but scripture is so clear, even a babe knows exactly what it means.

 

[tz620q]

but scripture is so clear, even a babe knows exactly what it means.

I have a simple test that I apply anymore. Imagine their response if the poster had been in any of the many Protestant denominations. If that response is diametrically different than how they respond to the same post from a Catholic, then it is all knee-jerk reaction after that.

 

[Albion]

Protestant motto: "Seeking disagreement in the midst of agreement for 500 years and counting".

I don't believe that I've ever heard a Protestant say that. Of course, we both know that it was meant as a sarcastic joke.

On the other hand, "Development of Doctrine" is an official policy of the Roman Catholic Church and has been referred to many times in posts by Catholic members here when justifying a change of doctrine by their church.