The truth revealed by God CANNOT change!

[MarkeSmith]

The truth revealed by God CANNOT change!

Jn 14:16 I am the way, the truth, and the life:

Heb 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The truth is not something but somebody! Jesus Christ!

 

[Tolworth John]

The truth revealed by God CANNOT change

I agree one hundred percent.
Jesus is the one who saves us, who justifies us who reconciles us to God all by the faith we have in him.
As Romans 4:25 to Romans 5:11 confirms.

 

[MarkeSmith]

And charity? And suffering?
Are they part of salvation?

 

[Albion]

The truth revealed by God CANNOT change!

But the Church can get around that simply by calling the changes "development of doctrine."

 

[MarkeSmith]

No it cant. Jude 1:3 the deposit of faith was deliverd to the church (the apostles) fullness of the faith revealed by God thru Christ!

We might understand it better but there is no new doctrine!

 

[Albion]

No it cant. Jude 1:3 the deposit of faith was deliverd to the church (the apostles) fullness of the faith revealed by God thru Christ!

We might understand it better but there is no new doctrine!

You may say "it can't," but it does.

 

[MarkeSmith]

Example please?

 

[Albion]

Example please?

Certainly. Here's an article from a Catholic source including examples as you requested:

: Quidlibet : › Papa Pachamama’s Profession of the Modernist Heresy

Here's an excerpt from the article. It follows references to official documents and the statements of several Popes. The red part is colored and bolded by me for emphasis; everything else is as written in the article.

"The argument here, once again, is that a dogma can “evolve” to have a new meaning which is the diametric opposite of its original sense. Thus, we can evolve from the proposition, “Lacking baptism, an unbaptized child cannot go to heaven,” to “Well, we can hope that that dogma is false, because we now realize that the Church misunderstood the Gospel.” This is yet another real twofer: No only does it get you dogmatic evolution, but it also gets you a magisterium that can teach the opposite of a truth of revelation."

 

[Tolworth John]

No it cant. Jude 1:3 the deposit of faith was deliverd to the church (the apostles) fullness of the faith revealed by God thru Christ!

We might understand it better but there is no new doctrine!

Two things.
The truth was delivered to the apostles yes, not to any church organisation
2nd the teachings of the RCC are new doctrines coming after the Bible was written.

 

[Athanasius377]

The truth revealed by God CANNOT change!

Jn 14:16 I am the way, the truth, and the life:

Heb 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The truth is not something but somebody! Jesus Christ!

All correct. That is exactly our contention.

 

[Athanasius377]

Two things.
The truth was delivered to the apostles yes, not to any church organisation
2nd the teachings of the RCC are new doctrines coming after the Bible was written.

Great point. I would tweek it just a bit. The Roman distinctives such as the Marian dogmas were much later. A goodly amount of her teaching like the Trinity and Christology is correct and taught from pages of scripture.

 

[Major1]

The truth revealed by God CANNOT change!

Jn 14:16 I am the way, the truth, and the life:

Heb 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The truth is not something but somebody! Jesus Christ!

Correct.

John 17:17 says........
"Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth."

 

[Major1]

Great point. I would tweek it just a bit. The Roman distinctives such as the Marian dogmas were much later. A goodly amount of her teaching like the Trinity and Christology is correct and taught from pages of scripture.

I do not think any Protestants will agree with your comment.

The RCC teaching of Purgatory is NOT found in the Scriptures.
The RCC teaching of the Assumption of Mary is NOT found in the Bible.
The RCC teaching of the Immaculate Conception is NOT found in the Bible.

I can go on if need be but I think the point is made.

 

[Major1]

Two things.
The truth was delivered to the apostles yes, not to any church organisation
2nd the teachings of the RCC are new doctrines coming after the Bible was written.

The problem of course is that Catholics believe that the Pope is an Apostle hence whatever he says is gospel.

Everyone else however knows that the Pope is NOT an Apostle and by the way, neither is anyone else.

To be an Apostle, one had to have seen Jesus Christ in the flesh and been personally commissioned by Him.

Acts 1:21-22, ........
“It is therefore necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us— beginning with the baptism of John, until the day that He was taken up from us—one of these should become a witness with us of His resurrection. "

End of story.

 

[Major1]

But the Church can get around that simply by calling the changes "development of doctrine."

From what I have seen, the RCC can do pretty much anything it wants to do.

 

[Major1]

And charity? And suffering?
Are they part of salvation?

NO.

If you believe they are......then simply post the Scriptures that say they do.

By the way.....why not throw in water Baptism as well.

 

[Athanasius377]

I do not think any Protestants will agree with your comment.

The RCC teaching of Purgatory is NOT found in the Scriptures.
The RCC teaching of the Assumption of Mary is NOT found in the Bible.
The RCC teaching of the Immaculate Conception is NOT found in the Bible.

I can go on if need be but I think the point is made.

Please read what I wrote carefully and in context. I was agreeing with another poster in that RCC distinctives such as the Marian dogmas and the like were much later innovations and as such is error. Where she is right comes from her belief in the trinity and christology which is biblical. So I never said purgatory etc were able to be found in the Bible.

 

[Major1]

Please read what I wrote carefully and in context. I was agreeing with another poster in that RCC distinctives such as the Marian dogmas and the like were much later innovations and as such is error. Where she is right comes from her belief in the trinity and christology which is biblical. So I never said purgatory etc were able to be found in the Bible.

I realized that my friend. I am the one who asked about those RCC positions as an example of non-biblical doctrines of the RCC.

 

[Athanasius377]

I realized that my friend. I am the one who asked about those RCC positions as an example of non-biblical doctrines of the RCC.

Actually you never asked me anything. What you did was respond with several statements directed at the erroneous belief that I believe in such doctrines. I do not.

 

[Major1]

Actually you never asked me anything. What you did was respond with several statements directed at the erroneous belief that I believe in such doctrines. I do not.

Then I guess this is goodbye then.......bye!