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Now what is intentional abortion?THis is the last time I will go to google for you. If you did not wish to reason together with mutual respect, you should not have responded to my post.
"Abortion is the ending of a pregnancy by removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus before it can survive outside the uterus.[note 1] An abortion that occurs without intervention is known as a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion. When deliberate steps are taken to end a pregnancy, it is called an induced abortion, or less frequently "induced miscarriage". The unmodified word abortion generally refers to an induced abortion.[1][2] A similar procedure after the fetus has potential to survive outside the womb is known as a "late termination of pregnancy" or less accurately as a "late term abortion".[3]"
How should we then live?I agree with what you said but not everyone has the same morals or is a Christian.
Again, unless you are going to provide some exegesis to this assertion then what I provided refutes your claim.NO IT IS NOT SCRIPTURE!! The closest the bible gets to abortions is if you cause a woman to miscarry you have pay her a fine...if it was muder..the person would be put to death that scripture law...the bible does not consider the unborn child a human being..sorry
Where do Christians gain their moral compass from exactly?The who Christian argument is a moral belief not a scripture belief and I do not believe anyone should have the right to force there moral or religious beliefs onto another.
Disabled pregnant woman---VictimQuality of life for the disabled pregnant sexual assault victims.
And the resulting birth children.
Are you against the usage of the term Abortion? Do you feel that these situation do not deserve attention and a category of their own? Would you, instead, rather they be lumped in with the murder and killing of everyone/anyone in the world, as oppose to one, who commits this act....being readily identified by the use of the term created to describe this act,.......thereby hiding the fact that it was one who wasnt born?Now what is intentional abortion?
That is the definition of 'supporting abortion.' The problem is we do have Christian denominations and non-denominational churches which support elective abortions when the mother and child in the womb are perfectly healthy. That's quite an abomination. When pressed they will tell you they only support abortions for health of the mother or child (never heard of killing a child as a health concern) or rape. Yet they won't support state laws which have these exceptions. What does that tell you?This is false. No one supports abortion. But there are some who believe you should have a right to make your own choice about it and not be forced one way or the other, if it is legal.
I don't understand the use of euphemisms when we are speaking of the termination of human beings who did no wrong and are innocent.Are you against the usage of the term Abortion? Do you feel that these situation do not deserve attention and a category of their own? Would you, instead, rather they be lumped in with the murder and killing of everyone/anyone in the world, as oppose to one, who commits this act....being readily identified by the use of the term created to describe this act,.......thereby hiding the fact that it was one who wasnt born?
I dont understand this thought. Why would we not want to know that a baby was terminated? Why would one say "I dont care to know if it was a grown man or unborn child" And if you do desire to know......If you dont mind the unborn getting full undivided attention.....Why would you be against one who prefers to use the term Abortion, with referring to the termination of pregnancy?
Somewhere it is written in Scripture that we all (true ones, true Christians) ought to liveHow should we then live?
Let's test that statement:You believe that God has the power to know you before the womb, but has no say in who is delivered and who isnt?
This is the correct answer of course.Somewhere it is written in Scripture that we all (true ones, true Christians) ought to live
EACH DAY as those who will be judged for how we live (or 'judged by Torah') I forget the exact words and reference...... (no escaping this judgment referred to in Scripture; it is and will be as written, according to God's Plan).
Is this a justification for you to have abortions?Very Prior to Roe abortions weren’t illegal and were carried out by midwives. Baby farming wasn’t illegal either except if the baby farmer killed the child which a lot of them did.
Again, is this a justification?Male 19th century Medical doctors wanted to drive the female midwives out of business and made abortions illegal . Women have always had abortions .
No what Roe v Wade did was to legalize on demand abortions for any reason legal. Do you support this?What Roe vs Wade actually did was make them safe .
Indeed that was the propaganda of the pro-abortion lobby during the hearings.I don’t want to see “coat hanger“ abortions with their subsequent deaths and mutilations come back because that’s the only thing that would happen!
I personally believe that you should be in or out. I still do not comprehend the idea of someone supporting abortion....but lets say these people do exist... Wouldnt one who gives exception for abortion, also be one who supports it as well?That is the definition of 'supporting abortion.' The problem is we do have Christian denominations and non-denominational churches which support elective abortions when the mother and child in the womb are perfectly healthy. That's quite an abomination. When pressed they will tell you they only support abortions for health of the mother or child (never heard of killing a child as a health concern) or rape. Yet they won't support state laws which have these exceptions. What does that tell you?
I know, I hear it and see it often. "I would not get an elective abortion but who am I to judge one who does?" That's a copout. Why? Because God never commanded us to uphold our own opinions and righteousness but to uphold only His Commands and His Righteousness.
Less than 2% of performed abortions. And your example is anecdotal at best. No doctor is going to give a pregnant woman 100% certainty that their child will not survive the pregnancy. Our first commitment as Christians is to cast our burdens on the Lord (Psalms 55:22) and this goes for everything in our lives.And then there are women whose fetuses have no chance at life who want to end a pregnancy that at that point is an unnecessary burden on the women . That’s an abortion too .
No one else should decide to continue ANY pregnancy except the woman involved and maybe her doctor.
I know, I hear it and see it often. "I would not get an elective abortion but who am I to judge one who does?" That's a copout. Why? Because God never commanded us to uphold our own opinions and righteousness but to uphold only His Commands and His Righteousness.
wrongExcept it doesn't say that anywhere.
It says to ignore church leaders
and submit to local government.
I dont get it. Are you saying that you believe God has no say in who dies of cancer? Conversations would go smoother if you made statements and spoke what you feel, instead of just asking a bunch of questions.Let's test that statement:
You believe that God has the power to know you before the womb, but has no say in who dies of cancer early in life?
Exactly, we are talking about abortions....the only word used exclusively for the termination of pregnancies.I don't understand the use of euphemisms when we are speaking of the termination of human beings who did no wrong and are innocent.
When one takes the life of another for no cause other than inconvenience or existing that is murder according to Holy Writ. There is no way around that. The way you are using 'abortion' is the same way the law uses "manslaughter" for lesser than murdering in cold blood. Or "vehicular homicide" is still killing even if the driver did not intend to kill the other person. In abortion in over 98% of the cases there is a premeditated termination of a human life. That type of killing in the Bible is called murder.
Red herring/straw man: I did not say it was murder and the quote you mined from my post does not say abortion is murder. The matter of birth control has already been addressed so you're repeating already-addressed content and thereby wasting both our time. And... you're factually incorrect about birth control. In former days birth control often prevented implantation of the zygote but more and more birth control is preventing conception. You need to update your information.But it's not murder. Birth control measures do the same thing. They keep a fertilized egg from implanting causing it to perish.
Well my believe are just that mine. Abortion is not a scripture issue the bible does not consider a unborn child a human. The who Christian argument is a moral belief not a scripture belief and I do not believe anyone should have the right to force there moral or religious beliefs onto another.
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