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If you quote John 1:1 to prove your 'eternal logos' comment, I disagree.
Amen . He is exactly like the Father as to His eternal existence.Before going any further, why do you disagree? If the Logos was in the beginning with God and is Himself God, then on what basis can you say the Logos is not eternal?
-CryptoLutheran
Many deny Jesus was Resurrected and Ascended into heaven bodily( a human body with real flesh and bones) and are still dead in their sins even though they might claim to be a christian. That is an oxymoron.
There is one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. (1Timothy 2:5) post ascension.
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.(Hebrews 13:5) Changeless, Immutable. Jesus was a man when He walked this earth, when He Ascended and when He will return again at His 2nd Coming.
Question, what translation is this? I don't find "Holy Spirit" in the first 6 translations I've checked. They all say "the Spirit" or "of the Spirit". I prefer 'of the Spirit' because the Greek word tou2 Corinthians 5:1-10
5 God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.
I've studied this in the past. And it also means the many membered BODY of CHRIST eg the church;Look up the meaning of the word soma below, it always means a physical body in relation to anthropos(man).
Great testimony, it will be fun to tell pastor your story.The prefix crypto means secret or hidden. Before becoming officially Lutheran I had already largely begun identifying myself as Lutheran because it was solid, biblical theology. Something I hadn't really experienced before in the kinds of Christianity I had been raised with. I had been raised up in a mix of Pentecostal, non-denominational Evangelical, and Baptist traditions through churches, schools, family, and friends. So I was, before officially coming out as Lutheran, a "crypto" Lutheran, a hidden or secret Lutheran. I was worried about being ostricized, as that had been a consistent theme in my life. This was still the case when I first joined Christian Forums back in 2010 where I decided to give myself the name CryptoLutheran on here. Some months or maybe a year later I lost access to the email I had associated with that account on here, and had no means of getting it back--and I also had forgotten my password to my CryptoLutheran account on here. So I decided to make a new account, this one, but I continued to sign my posts off with my old name so to make sure nobody thought I was trying to create a sock puppet account.
I've been signing my posts off for so long like that now that it's just habit. And people still call me variously as Crypto and Via.
I'm a former Evangelical turned secret Lutheran to an out of the closet Lutheran.
-CryptoLutheran
OK Crypto, back to "iron sharpening iron" but only if 'the angle of our attitudes' are held to a degree that promotes sharpening and not sparks flying.Before going any further, why do you disagree? If the Logos was in the beginning with God and is Himself God, then on what basis can you say the Logos is not eternal?
-CryptoLutheran
OK Crypto, back to "iron sharpening iron" but only if 'the angle of our attitudes' are held to a degree that promotes sharpening and not sparks flying.
As to your question; I've been saying, when the eternal spirit Word gave up being a 'divine spirit' to becoming a 'mortal temporal flesh' body that had to die....there was no eternal life in 'the LOGOS/WORD that became flesh' that DIED and was DEAD for 3 days. Jesus surrendered his spirit to the Father from that cross which made that body breath its last and die. Scripture says that "the body without the spirit is DEAD." On the cross He never said "Father, into thy hands I commit OUR Spirit or YOUR Spirit!", or "the Holy Spirit". He committed "my spirit"....the spirit of Christ in Him. And it was 'that spirit' which raised His dead body to life again 3 days later, after it went to the Father, then to prison "to preach to the spirits that formerly did not obey...in the day's of Noah. 1 Pet 3:19
OK, I think I'm pretty much done. This is way too much posting for me. I'm not going to be living here, in cyber church. But if 'you' still have more to say, I'm willing to keep playing with 'one' of God's kids. And Rick yielded to you in his post. That still works for me.
I use One in Three Persons when it is understood, but in agreement with Barth, it does sound like we are saying three personalities (with individual self-consciousnesses), and so I try to avoid using that terminology often. One divine substance with three subsisting, with their particular personal properties (begot, beget, proceed) and works in creation/redemption (incarnation, indwelling, etc). They are the same ontologically, but differ economically. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father; but they are all the same divine being in the unity of essence.
Is it OK to call the Lord a "3-in-1 God" to go along with St. Patrick's shamrock lesson?
I'm curious. Can you clarify St. Patrick's shamrock lesson?
Barring a genetic defect, all clovers/shamrocks have three separate leaves. They do not touch each other, but are held in place on the same stem.
It's too bad you were told that misinformation, divorce does not stop a Catholic from receiving communion. A Catholic who wants to date or remarry and who is civilly divorced is supposed to first get annulment, a lot of annulments are given because the individuals were not mature enough to understand/realize what marriage is supposed to be.Great testimony, it will be fun to tell pastor your story.
Long ago I started teaching that we can all learn something from every denomination. I was bred, born, raised, married, divorced at 19 as a Roman Catholic. I was then told, as a divorcee, that I could never take communion or get married again unless my first wife died. Sounded/felt like some kind of 'unforgiveable sin', though I'd never heard that term before.
How old are you? The RC church has made a lot of reforms since I was born in 1949, maybe that "misinformation" was true then, in 1968. I've shared this testimony with a million (sic) Catholics over the last 50 years, and this is the first time anyone has ever said it wasn't true.It's too bad you were told that misinformation, divorce does not stop a Catholic from receiving communion. A Catholic who wants to date or remarry and who is civilly divorced is supposed to first get annulment, a lot of annulments are given because the individuals were not mature enough to understand/realize what marriage is supposed to be.
Priests are hardly perfect and not all are well informed on every subject. There's a good article at the link, but to cut to the chase it states: "For some reason, in years past it was taught erroneously by certain pastors that a divorced Catholic could not receive Holy Communion. This has never been the case."How old are you? The RC church has made a lot of reforms since I was born in 1949, maybe that "misinformation" was true then, in 1968. I've shared this testimony with a million (sic) Catholics over the last 50 years, and this is the first time anyone has ever said it wasn't true.And, maybe the priest lied just to try to get me to stick it out as part of the "for better or worse" vow.
I actually did go through the annulment process 10+ years later. Not for myself, but for my X wife who wanted to marry another Catholic. She actually wasn't one when she got pregnant and we "had" to get married. We had to go through a counseling period with the monsignor in order to get married. During the time of that process and with a lot of advice from friends who really new me, I realized this wasn't a love relationship, it was a lust relationship. She got pregnant the first time I'd ever had sex (not the first for her). But I kept trusting that this 'man of God' would actually hear God and tell us that he needed to refuse us from getting married. At our last pre-marital meeting with the monsignor my heart just sank when he announced "Well this is our last session, we'll see you at the church." I was so 'taken' I actually told Sherry to go on out to the car because I wanted to ask him one more thing. When she left, I poured out my heart and told him this was not good, I wasn't ready ect. ect. We were standing at the door when I did this. He literally pushed me out the door and said "We'll see you...'whatever day'....our marriage was scheduled for. Honestly, the annulment process was a joke IMO. I was interviewed by a young priest and asked some pretty lame questions I thought. But I did enjoy witnessing to him, and giving him a testimony of how I wasn't even saved until 4 years after we were divorced, so as far as I was concerned that marriage had no biblical grounds for some annulment process you paid $300 for ($1,000 now) so some Cardinal/whoever reading about it could say this marriage wasn't approved by God...or whatever/whoever it was supposed to appease.
It all worked for the better though. I was raised believing I was saved because I jumped through all the "rituals" of 'The Church' (infant baptism, confession, confirmation, catechism, mass ect ect). Part of my testimony is I was literally born with a drug problem. MY mom 'drug' me/us to church every Sunday no matter if you were sick or whatever. The only problem is, 'religious RITUAL' without a spiritual REALITY saves nobody. And being raised 'in the church' no more makes you 'a Christian, than being raised in a garage, makes you a car. And that "bad misinformation" you mentioned did lead me to believe I wasn't saved (which was true) and headed to hell. So believe me, those next 4 years included so much evil, that for the first 10 years after being saved, I told people I'd still be in prison if I'd have got caught for half of what I did.
I do appreciate your heart on this though Valletta.
OK Crypto, back to "iron sharpening iron" but only if 'the angle of our attitudes' are held to a degree that promotes sharpening and not sparks flying.
As to your question; I've been saying, when the eternal spirit Word gave up being a 'divine spirit' to becoming a 'mortal temporal flesh' body that had to die....there was no eternal life in 'the LOGOS/WORD that became flesh' that DIED and was DEAD for 3 days.
Jesus surrendered his spirit to the Father from that cross which made that body breath its last and die. Scripture says that "the body without the spirit is DEAD." On the cross He never said "Father, into thy hands I commit OUR Spirit or YOUR Spirit!", or "the Holy Spirit". He committed "my spirit"....the spirit of Christ in Him.
And it was 'that spirit' which raised His dead body to life again 3 days later, after it went to the Father, then to prison "to preach to the spirits that formerly did not obey...in the day's of Noah. 1 Pet 3:19
OK, I think I'm pretty much done. This is way too much posting for me. I'm not going to be living here, in cyber church. But if 'you' still have more to say, I'm willing to keep playing with 'one' of God's kids. And Rick yielded to you in his post. That still works for me.
Barring a genetic defect all clovers (aka shamrocks) have three separate leaves. They do not touch each other, but are held in place on the same stem. St. Patrick's botanical lessons is why a special day was given to him after he died.
There are legends surrounding St. Patrick, for example that he drove all the snakes out of Ireland (not true, Ireland has historically been snake-less, but has nothing to do with Patrick). I don't know if it is historically true that Patrick ever used a shamrock as an analogy for the Trinity. The reason Patrick has a feast day is because of his life of faithful commitment to Christ as one of His saints. The shamrock can be used symbolically, but shouldn't be taken further than that. Taken too far it looks like partialism or the false idea that each Person makes up 1/3 of God. Each Person is Himself fully God, not part. The Father is God, all of God, and the Son likewise is all of God with the Father, and the Spirit likewise is all of God with the Father and the Son. Each is fully God in Himself and with one another and in one another. For the Godhead of the Father, the Godhead of the Son, and the Godhead of the Holy Spirit is One. One God.
-CryptoLutheran
What was term you used for salvation as a provision available to anyone? I should have written it down even though it will chap me to take notes on your theology.
Unlimited Atonment?
-CryptoLutheran
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