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the trinity concept?
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The "Son Of God."
2 Corinthians 1:19
For the Son of God, Christ Jesus, who was preached among YOU through us. . .
For the Son of God, Christ Jesus, who was preached among YOU through us. . .
Hebrews 4:14
.Seeing, therefore, that we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, . . .
.Seeing, therefore, that we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, . . .
1 John 4:15
Whoever makes the confession that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God.
Whoever makes the confession that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God.
John 3:35
The Father loves the Son and has GIVEN all things into his hand.
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Yes he is, along with the following:-
The Names & Titles of Jesus
A god
Amen
Apostle
Appolon
Abbadan
Image of God
Firstborn
The Word
The Light
The Bread from heaven
The man
The Twig
Shiloh
Son of God
High Priest
Only-begotten God
Only-begotten Son
Master Worker
Michael
Archangel
The Seed
The Teacher
Prince of peace
Wonderful Counselor
Mighty God
Eternal Father
Second Adam
The Christ
Jehovahs Angel
Shepherd
Lion of the tribe of Judea
Commander
Master
Master Worker
Lord
The Messiah
Melchizedek
King of kings
Lord of lords
Angel of the abyss
Leader
Mediator
The Way
The Life
The Truth
The Carpenter
The Nazarene
The Resurrection
The Head
Son of man
Lamb of God
Rider of the white horse
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an angel can be a god...thats very interesting, can angels create things??
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donfish06
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Then how can Jesus be a "copy" of God if God is an invisible spirit?
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Image:
G1504
εἰκών
eikōn
i-kone'
From G1503; a likeness, that is, (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance: - image.
You can not copy something invisible and get something visible
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So is it your belief then that it would right for someone other than God to have ALL the Authority?
So then we are to believe God advocates ALL His Authority and gives it to Jesus?
Did God then die or just leave? (sorry have to ask)
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Of course being Catholic it goes without saying I agree. My quote however was to Barry who certainly does not agree and the questions remain unanswered.
The claim was that Jesus was able to speak with the Authority of God because God gave Jesus ALL His Authority. Which then begs the question what is God to do then after giving it all away - and doesn't that at least make Jesus the "new" God?
We also should note the statement being pervertedly quoted out of context is made after Resurrection, which was also after the "winds and water" obeyed Him. Barry's got some splaining to do Lucy.
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donfish06
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The flesh of Jesus was not God, it was God's spirit in His flesh. Just like I am not God but his Spirit is in me. Jesus had the fullness of God's spirit in him whereas I being a sinner cannot contain the full measure of God therefore I have him in part. It was God's full anointing on him that made him God
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Ok Idid.
Any concept of an Infinite God that requires one to consider God "wanting" something is a very limited concept of what Infinite means and I would reject it on those grounds.
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donfish06
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Why did God create the Angels to worship him? Because he WANTED to be worshiped lol
Why did God create anything... because he WANTED to.
A lot of times it is easy to over complicate things with God. He reveals himself in simplicity (not saying that he is not complex...)
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LOL, Perfect God 101 (for Catholics at least)
A god imagined "wanting" something means that god "lacks" something, which means such a god is not Perfect in whatever detail/attribute/thing is imagined to be "lacking". Which then means on can imagine a greater god that does not "lack" whatever this imagined lessor god lacks. So if one's view of God imagines that He needs something, anything - then one has not imagined a big enough God and need to think bigger.
To say God wants and then acts toward achieving something lacking also means God improves by obtaining whatever "want" is imagined, which means God changes, which must mean God is not Perfect in whatever aspect it is imagined that He has a "want".
God created man to love, serve and know Him. We could reason some similar purpose(s) for His having created Angels. It does not follow from saying that, that God needed (before creating us) or needs now our love, service or knowledge of Him.
God is. Which means, among other things, as the only uncreated Being His ONLY purpose is "to be". Such a God does not have wants or needs. If a sentient being has wants, needs, the will of such a being can be directed via the intellect toward achieving/acquiring a want/need. His Perfect Will acts towards ONLY one thing, the Supreme Good. Which is Himself, which in every sense He "has", because He is the Supreme Good. So God cannot be understood as "needing" more Supreme Good, which would be required if we said God needed something.
A god imagined "wanting" something means that god "lacks" something, which means such a god is not Perfect in whatever detail/attribute/thing is imagined to be "lacking". Which then means on can imagine a greater god that does not "lack" whatever this imagined lessor god lacks. So if one's view of God imagines that He needs something, anything - then one has not imagined a big enough God and need to think bigger.
To say God wants and then acts toward achieving something lacking also means God improves by obtaining whatever "want" is imagined, which means God changes, which must mean God is not Perfect in whatever aspect it is imagined that He has a "want".
God created man to love, serve and know Him. We could reason some similar purpose(s) for His having created Angels. It does not follow from saying that, that God needed (before creating us) or needs now our love, service or knowledge of Him.
God is. Which means, among other things, as the only uncreated Being His ONLY purpose is "to be". Such a God does not have wants or needs. If a sentient being has wants, needs, the will of such a being can be directed via the intellect toward achieving/acquiring a want/need. His Perfect Will acts towards ONLY one thing, the Supreme Good. Which is Himself, which in every sense He "has", because He is the Supreme Good. So God cannot be understood as "needing" more Supreme Good, which would be required if we said God needed something.
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donfish06
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What he lacked and therefore wanted was fellowship! He obviously lacked it, it is undeniable. Elohim means self-existent one. There was nobody else BUT him. He clearly lacked fellowship. I am not implying at all that he NEEDED us but he did want. It shows no sign of weakness and doesn't take away from his infiniteness.
He nothing is added to him when he created us, because we were always in his thoughts. An infinite God can never have a new thought, thus all of his creation was eternal with him in his thoughts. They are now thoughts manifested. Tangible
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God is Love. Love needs an object. In His case the object is Himself, or said another way a Perfect Image of Himself (the Word). In the orthodox view of God, He has never been "alone" and the Spirit is seen (proceeds) as the Love between the Father and Son.
Fellowship is something people do and it is actually an expression of our love for and serving of the Supreme Good, which is our purpose. We were meant to do that with each other. We were not created so God could have buddies. Attempting to apply an expression of our human purpose to God is an error I think.
Fellowship is something people do and it is actually an expression of our love for and serving of the Supreme Good, which is our purpose. We were meant to do that with each other. We were not created so God could have buddies. Attempting to apply an expression of our human purpose to God is an error I think.
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I agree all the way up to the end. The Holy Spirit anoints, Christ was glorified (in name), given control, but never became his Father.
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