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I dropped him when he moved so far left that he exited the field.
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Excellent post but don't expect many to hear you, they missed that point in my OP and ran off somewhere out of the park.
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Strange deduction. No. But if you said God told you personally to do something, especially as specific as to quit posting in a thread and let it go, then I figured it you defied Him it would be a sin. I guess you see otherwise.
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First, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus was talking to pharisees about how to keep the law. They thought they were keeping the law perfectly. Jesus pointed out that they did not. If you wish to fully keep the law, you should tithe and not neglect the rest of the law.
Secondly,
It is not about giving. It is about whether Christians are required to follow the OT Law. It is really quite simple. we are not. Instead, we give according to the Spirit and not according to the Law Code. It might be 10%, it might not. Would you be upset if I said you needed to be circumcised? It's the same thing.
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I just think that each person should give what they have decided to give, and not be compelled by someone else to give a certain amount.
Paul said something like this in 2nd Corinthians 9:7.
I'm not "looking for loopholes," I'm doing what the Bible says.
Paul said something like this in 2nd Corinthians 9:7.
I'm not "looking for loopholes," I'm doing what the Bible says.
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I went ahead and got circumcised.
For us super-duper-incredibly-spiritual-types, it's about showing our dedication to the Lord because we want to.
I wouldn't expect lesser spiritual types to do this.
You probably can find a loophole in the new testament that says you don't need circumcision.
But The LORD is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Being circumcised really shows how I am more spiritual than any man who is not circumcised.
I show everyone I meet, just so they know.
Do you give 100%? Abraham was circumcised, and Paul.
Being circumcised makes me just as super-duper spiritual as they are.
It's really a blessing, and all Christians should become as Abraham, Paul and I are.
I mean, just the men of course.
Just the really super-duper-spiritual ones.
God said it, I believe it, then I did it, that settles it.
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I went ahead and got circumcised.
For us super-duper-incredibly-spiritual-types, it's about showing our dedication to the Lord because we want to.
I wouldn't expect lesser spiritual types to do this.
You probably can find a loophole in the new testament that says you don't need circumcision.
But The LORD is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Being circumcised really shows how I am more spiritual than any man who is not circumcised.
I show everyone I meet, just so they know.
Do you give 100%? Abraham was circumcised, and Paul.
Being circumcised makes me just as super-duper spiritual as they are.
It's really a blessing, and all Christians should become as Abraham, Paul and I are.
I mean, just the men of course.
Just the really super-duper-spiritual ones.
God said it, I believe it, then I did it, that settles it.
I actually think that tithing is a discipline for us super-duper-incredibly-nonspiritual-types who find that our natural instinct is to hoard our money out of fear that God won't provide. I tithe because I know that greed and fear are struggles of mine, and I find that it helps me to learn to think differently. IOW, it is something tangible that I can do that God can use to overcome a major defect of mine.
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Tim keep your money. I have been speaking love & all you hear is law,meaning you have a problem.I know that you are not reading my posts because your answers do not even come close to addressing them.If you want to love Jesus, your fruits will show it.If you don't love Jesus,your fruits will show that.Like I said.Very simple.Cut & dried.You either love Jesus or you don't.You are not angry with me,you are angry with Jesus.Your posts show the arrogance & narrow mindedness of a legalist.So now it is I telling you to put down the law & start loving Jesus.God bless you
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And to whom it may concern,I DON'T tithe...I love Jesus,& my goal is to love Him with all my heart & all my soul & all my mind & all my strength,not just 10%.If that makes me guilty of being as you say a "super duper Christian",then so be it,& God bless you
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Tim keep your money. I have been speaking love & all you hear is law,meaning you have a problem.I know that you are not reading my posts because your answers do not even come close to addressing them.If you want to love Jesus, your fruits will show it.If you don't love Jesus,your fruits will show that.Like I said.Very simple.Cut & dried.You either love Jesus or you don't.You are not angry with me,you are angry with Jesus.Your posts show the arrogance & narrow mindedness of a legalist.So now it is I telling you to put down the law & start loving Jesus.God bless you
The reason it makes such a difference, the reason I get so perturbed about it, is that the tithe teachers are twisting scripture in order to get extra money out of intellectually innocent people. It's theft, and they use the scriptures to steal this money. The truth is that Christians don't have to pay a tithe, or any other percentage, unless they want to. Then they are told that they must give 10% to the preaching organization. I've never heard a tithe teacher say to give 10% to the poor. It's always to the tithe teacher's group.
If you want to give 10%, that's OK, do it. I just want everyone to understand that it is a voluntary thing.
I give where I see a need, and it's nobody else's business what, or how much I give.
It sounds absurd when I use the tithe teacher's arguments to justify circumcision. Their arguments are just as absurd to justify a tithe law of 10% giving.
Tim
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Maybe that is what you hear. This would indicate a skewed perception of what you have heard. Much like Joe you have not heard what I have said about this or responded to what was said that is why I quit talking to you about it. It is clear you are closed to Gods truth in lieu of your own. Now as far as stealing well that is just plain wrong. When the tithe is given, as it surely is, any obligation of the person receiving the money in the Lords name has the responsibility to account for what is done to the Lord. If we, I, give voluntarily then I have no responsibility for what is done with that money and if someone does not do what is right with it then they certainly will be answering to the Lord. As I have told you before I give because I want to not because I have to, as do most people that tithe. So what happens with it after that is between those who claim to be stewards of the Lord and the Lord. That is not theft as you put it. Once again you display the errant view of tithing which appears to bind your mind. May God release you from this bondage and truly set you free.
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Tim,I ask you forgiveness.I mistook what you were saying also,& thank you for clearing it up.I am in full agreement with what you have said about "ministers" whose "ministry" is to "minister" as much money as they can into their own pocket.All I was trying to say was that as believers we need to be open to hear God's call on our lives & the resources that He has given us.I do detest those whose only goal is to use guilt to line their pockets.Again please forgive me.God bless you
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Tim,I ask you forgiveness.I mistook what you were saying also,& thank you for clearing it up.I am in full agreement with what you have said about "ministers" whose "ministry" is to "minister" as much money as they can into their own pocket.All I was trying to say was that as believers we need to be open to hear God's call on our lives & the resources that He has given us.I do detest those whose only goal is to use guilt to line their pockets.Again please forgive me.God bless you
You are very gracious, we're OK. Maybe my emotions got the better of me. May God bless you as well.
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