The Three-Legged Stool of Apostasy

good post PC...... you have captured and summarized exactly what has been happening...

PC is right........I keep trying to start through from Gen 1 to show and be in agreement with what is written. I then ask questions about when the 10.com could have been given. I get no answers. I get sidetracked by a barrage of questions without biblical motives or answers.
My questions are never answered by those who keep trying to ram the law and sabbath into every thread. They're the ones that feel attacked.


I cant tell the difference among Adventist, I just love God's word.

I keep searching for bible study where understanding of what is written take presidence of anyone doctrines.


In love with Him

CRIB

CRIB, why would you try to understand Gen. 1 by asking about the 10 Coms?

StormyOne said:

good post PC...... you have captured and summarized exactly what has been happening...

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Hi StormyOne, I asked our Father, through Jesus, that I needed His power with others to see as to what was going on, I thank you for your words in answer to His prayers.

StormyOne, I don’t know whether you have noticed but they write short replies never answer questions, imply deliberate misapplications to our statements unrelated to the subject matter at hand, just to cause mischief.
It is just like Noah’s time in that we are only a very short time before Daniel 8: starts.
God, is not going to let Daniel’s visions start until He warns us first.

Our faith in what HE says is vital.
Hebrews 11: 7. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became HEIR of the righteousness which is BY FAITH.

Please let me ask you a question about the time of Noah’s flood .
Where were the dumb animals when the flood came?
Where were the dumb humans?
They were all invited but were not listening just like the TRAD folk.

Where were all the birds when the tsunami came? Far away.
Where were the humans? On the beach.
Daniel’s prophecies are so exciting, they are God’s warning for what is to come, so that we can be spiritually prepared and do something for our families.

Heb 8: 9. By FAITH Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 8: 10. By FAITH he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

When we read by FAITH what sayeth the Bible it is an EYE opener to things yet soon to come.
I know I go on a bit with the Bible, but it is His word and as HIS PROMISE, we do not need people to get in the way of His word from our Bibles, given to us as a GIFT, and there is always someone that wants to take it away!
I Would love to show you Daniel 8: from verse one it will ‘knock ya socks off,’ it is exciting.
I guarantee that you will look out of your window the following morning within a different perspective.

How is it that we Christians see that which the atheist cannot see?

Let me answer by telling you that there was a gathering of my church family.
I asked all 30 of them how many in this room? ‘30’ was the reply.
I said where a few gather in my name? …. Someone shouted ,’31.’
I said we have Guardian angles do we not? Someone shouted ‘61.’
I said did He not send us the Comforter? ‘62’ came the answer.
Now if a stranger had walked in he would think us mad or that we were having delusions.
Even among us as Christians, there is a widening gap, a division not of our choosing it is they, (TRAD) that are moving away from His word and they do not realise it because they think to sit in the same church means they are still in the same place and it is us that have moved away!

The point they do not wish or choose to understand is that we have not moved, not as far as His word in concerned we are outgrowing them in understanding and they can’t challenge His word.

Luke 21:15. For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Luke 21: 16. And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and BRETHREN, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Luke 21: 17. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.
18. But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

Luke 21: 19. In your patience possess ye your souls.

May God bless you StormyOne.

PC

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It is the Bible, that stands here not sly devious crafty questioners with a bent to impose negative character inferences.

The Sadducees and Pharisees, tried the same old sly imputation implied within their entrapment questions, with the Lord and Disciples, to try and destroy their characters but they were dealt with using scripture to which they were powerless to answer.

Because you start doing this----slanting----the--discussion away from the subject matter-- into the personal

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BINGO!

It is a tactic that has been used by many Trads here. When all else fails, attack the character of the questioner and claim to be able to read his motivations and intentions.

Of course, in the case of certain ones, they have gotten to the point now where they are brazen enough in thier anger and impatience to just skip the middle-man and go right for character assassination immediately to try and discredit the questioner in the most personal manner possible.

Thus, the questioner is slandered, but the issues remain unresolved and improperly addressed from a Biblical standpoint.

It is the same tactic Rome tried to use against Luther.

It didn't work, obviously.

Cribstyl said:

PC is right........I keep trying to start through from Gen 1 to show and be in agreement with what is written. I then ask questions about when the 10.com could have been given. I get no answers. I get sidetracked by a barrage of questions without biblical motives or answers.
My questions are never answered by those who keep trying to ram the law and sabbath into every thread. They're the ones that feel attacked.


I cant tell the difference among Adventist, I just love God's word.

I keep searching for bible study where understanding of what is written take presidence of anyone doctrines.


In love with Him

CRIB

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Hi there Crib, I read your very interesting questions at about 5AM, my time and have been working on an answer for you for around 2 hours, but I must do some work on the farm, so please bear with me because as soon as my duties are completed, I will get back to you, I hope and pray, when I have done the maths.


May God bless you and your Family with His love.

PC

NightEternal said:

BINGO!

It is a tactic that has been used by many Trads here. When all else fails, attack the character of the questioner and claim to be able to read his motivations and intentions.

Of course, in the case of certain ones, they have gotten to the point now where they are brazen enough in thier anger and impatience to just skip the middle-man and go right for character assassination immediately to try and discredit the questioner in the most personal manner possible.

Thus, the questioner is slandered, but the issues remain unresolved and improperly addressed from a Biblical standpoint.

It is the same tactic Rome tried to use against Luther.

It didn't work, obviously.

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Hi there NightEternal, I was just about to shut down the PC when I read your post with great delight and am in complete agreement with you, not because I’m biased or that you concur on some things with me but because I have read your words and your use of the Bible in its clear biblical context.

This should be a happy place where we grow.
It is well and truly past the time when we just kind of, roll over and let these people kick the spiritual life out of us and step all over God’s words doing it.
This may interest you NightEternal.

"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies of the Bible, and insist on their literal interpretation in the midst of much clamour and opposition."
Sir Isaac Newton 1643-1727

I am glad and thank the Lord, that I asked for His promise when I placed my hand on the Bible, that knowledge would be increased not for myself but all men. A big ask for a nobody? Yes it was, then I came here only recently and I looked around and thought. Hello. I have some like minded brothers here. It felt like I had won the lottery. My prayers were answered.

Dan 12: 4. “But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase.”

I have been studying prophecy for a long time NighEternal, I have been running my eyes across the pages backwards and forwards and I have realised that the more I learn the more I don’t know.

I am sorely well aware of the word thirsting but for a long time now the waters have been muddied by those that are ‘cruising for a spiritual bruising and it is a seriously heartbreaking issue with me and no doubt you, if I may say so, because they are our brothers and sisters.
You may think me harsh in these things but when they go on relentlessly they do a lot of harm for those in their spiritual growth and in that type of situation, Brother Charles Wheeling, said “Sometimeswhen your are dealing with a donkey you have to hit it between the eyes to get its attention.”

I do however claim the right to be wrong in these matters because of the conditions applied in Daniel 12: 4.
However we shall soon see because I firmly believe that the pages of Daniel are now slowly turning.

It is good to speak with you brother and as I read your words they gave me a fresh enthusiasm for which I am most grateful and I thank you for saying them.
May our God, keep you and your loved ones safe in these world troubling times.

PC

Cribstyl said:

PC is right........I keep trying to start through from Gen 1 to show and be in agreement with what is written. I then ask questions about when the 10.com could have been given. I get no answers. I get sidetracked by a barrage of questions without biblical motives or answers.
My questions are never answered by those who keep trying to ram the law and sabbath into every thread. They're the ones that feel attacked.


I cant tell the difference among Adventist, I just love God's word.

I keep searching for bible study where understanding of what is written take presidence of anyone doctrines.


In love with Him

CRIB

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Hi Crib, It won’t be enough but I have tried to answer your question I hope it is at least of some help in your search.

From Gen Chapter 5 verse 1. to 32. it is not too difficult to work out a time span.
However when we get to Chapter 6 it gets vague about each successive generation's age at the time of the begats.
Then in Exodus 1: we are told of more generations but with no time spans.
Which as far as my research was concerned made it virtually impossible to calculate a whole time span.
Even the generations of Abraham are vague.

In Matt 1: 1 – 17 we are told that in verse 17.“So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.”

Looking at Matt I hit a brick wall unless I missed something which could be the case.

You asked about the time of the commandments were written.
I know that within creation week there is a clear basis by which we have the seventh day Sabbath. By saying that I am not pushing the Sabbath issue so please bear with me on this.
Gen 2: 2. “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.”
3. “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”

Between the time span of Gen 2: 2. through to Ex 34: 27 I also find unhelpful, time wise.

Exodus 34: 27. And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.”



Exodus 20: 8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I am Sorry that I have not been of much help to you but I feel that the commandments are a wonderful standard by which our dear Lord Jesus lived as an example.
We failed, He died, we live.
PC

Prophecy Countdown said:

Hi Crib, It won’t be enough but I have tried to answer your question I hope it is at least of some help in your search.

From Gen Chapter 5 verse 1. to 32. it is not too difficult to work out a time span.
However when we get to Chapter 6 it gets vague about each successive generation's age at the time of the begats.
Then in Exodus 1: we are told of more generations but with no time spans.
Which as far as my research was concerned made it virtually impossible to calculate a whole time span.
Even the generations of Abraham are vague.

In Matt 1: 1 – 17 we are told that in verse 17.“So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.”

Looking at Matt I hit a brick wall unless I missed something which could be the case.

You asked about the time of the commandments were written.
I know that within creation week there is a clear basis by which we have the seventh day Sabbath. By saying that I am not pushing the Sabbath issue so please bear with me on this.
Gen 2: 2. “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.”
3. “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”

Between the time span of Gen 2: 2. through to Ex 34: 27 I also find unhelpful, time wise.

Exodus 34: 27. And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.”



Exodus 20: 8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I am Sorry that I have not been of much help to you but I feel that the commandments are a wonderful standard by which our dear Lord Jesus lived as an example.
We failed, He died, we live.
PC

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Respectfully friend, you can do better.
Your faith is not grounded on what God says in His word.
The fact is this, what God has caused Moses to write about creation, is God's word, there is no other word.

The fact that God reveals Himself by His word, is a clue, that all men should have the same word from God.

The prophets use these same words of Moses to explain some finer details for our understading. (I can post references)

The apostles used the same words to explain to us, some finer details for our understanding of what Moses wrote. (I can post references)

Jesus used the same words of Moses to explain the greater meaning of what God said to man according to Moses writtings.
Noone added to the Word.

God just gave me this revelation......... read this lesson

Question#1
Mat 19:3The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

(We must see how Christ did not hint about adultery given in creation, but He referenced 2 text in Genesis, this establishes what was given to man.)



Mat 19:4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female,( Gen 1:27)

Mat 19:5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (Gen 2:24)

Mat 19:6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Question #2

Mat 19:7They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

Mat 19:8He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Christ references the beginning by what was written. There is no law to speak about.
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One fact about any law....It is given to govern a people.
Which of God's law was secretly given?

Why would God not show His laws when they are given?

Why is it written that from Adam to Moses there was no law?


In brotherly love and concern

CRIB

Hi CRIB, I did not misunderstand your question I thought you said quote. “I keep trying to start through from Gen 1 to show and be in agreement with what is written. I then ask questions about when the 10.com could have been given. I get no answers” Unquote

So I set about trying to answer your question by working out quote ‘when the 10.com could have been given’ unquote.

However, there is not enough biblical information enabling me to give you a definitive reply. I spent over 8 hours of reading and researching.

When you said quote. Respectfully friend, you can do better. Unquote
I was taken aback some what because your study material went far beyond matters of quote ‘when the 10.com could have been given’ Unquote.
So I will leave it at that if you don’t mind.

PC

Prophecy Countdown said:

Hi CRIB, I did not misunderstand your question I thought you said quote. “I keep trying to start through from Gen 1 to show and be in agreement with what is written. I then ask questions about when the 10.com could have been given. I get no answers” Unquote

So I set about trying to answer your question by working out quote ‘when the 10.com could have been given’ unquote.

However, there is not enough biblical information enabling me to give you a definitive reply. I spent over 8 hours of reading and researching.

When you said quote. Respectfully friend, you can do better. Unquote
I was taken aback some what because your study material went far beyond matters of quote ‘when the 10.com could have been given’ Unquote.
So I will leave it at that if you don’t mind.

PC

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PC, you're a gentleman, I appreciate your respectful interaction with me and this forum .

I made these statement among others..."My questions are never answered by those who keep trying to ram the law and sabbath into every thread."

"I keep searching for bible study where understanding of what is written take presidence of anyone doctrines."

You replied

Hi Crib, It won’t be enough but I have tried to answer your question I hope it is at least of some help in your search.
From Gen Chapter 5 verse 1. to 32. it is not too difficult to work out a time span.

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What did you mean by that statement?

Then you said...

Looking at Matt I hit a brick wall unless I missed something which could be the case.

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I'm not sure what you're looking for, especially since you passed over texts showing the giving of the law over and over and over.
Then you reaffirmed my question....

You asked about the time of the commandments were written.
I know that within creation week there is a clear basis by which we have the seventh day Sabbath. By saying that I am not pushing the Sabbath issue so please bear with me on this.
Gen 2: 2. “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.”
3. “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”

Between the time span of Gen 2: 2. through to Ex 34: 27 I also find unhelpful, time wise.

Exodus 34: 27. And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.”



Exodus 20: 8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I am Sorry that I have not been of much help to you but I feel that the commandments are a wonderful standard by which our dear Lord Jesus lived as an example.
We failed, He died, we live.
PC

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.. I said that you can do better, because your replies uses text to explain what you believe rather than explain what is written.

Here is what is written.....
1. Gen 2:2,3 teaches what noone but God did on the seventh day. True or False?
When truth is kept in context, God's rest is an end of work, just as is reemphasized within those texts, using the phrases.. v2"God ended his work",..."v2...rested from all his work which he had made.”
"... v3"because that in it he had rested from all his work" Text does not convey that God took a 24hr break from work, it teaches us that God finished creation and entered His place of rest.
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2. Ex 34:27,28...is the same words of the covenant that God said He did not give to the fathers before Moses at Horeb (Sinai). Deu 5:3The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.
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3. Ex20:8...Teaches Remember to keep a 24hr sabbath perfectly as God commands, six days do all your work, the seventh day will be a 24hr sabbath unto God.. In that day, make sure you do no work, not your son, daughter, stranger, or animals within you teritory. The reason is because God did all His work in six day and rested on the seventh day, this is why, the sabbath is blessed and sanctified for you to rest on.


Further truth reveals that sabbath is a sign of God's rest. Exd 31:13, Exd 31:17

Another fact to observe is that God declares, to whom His rest was offered (COI) did not enter because of unbelief. The fact is, they did keep a sabbath day.(imperfectly)
Hbr 4:1

The bottom line is;
"sabbath" and "God's rest" is not the same thing.
Sabbath is a sign of God's rest. It's duration is 24hr.
God's rest is a place" for those who die to the flesh and are born in the spirit. that place is.. "In Jesus"

brother2brother
CRIB

Cribstyl said:

PC is right........I keep trying to start through from Gen 1 to show and be in agreement with what is written. I then ask questions about when the 10.com could have been given. I get no answers. I get sidetracked by a barrage of questions without biblical motives or answers.
My questions are never answered by those who keep trying to ram the law and sabbath into every thread. They're the ones that feel attacked.


I cant tell the difference among Adventist, I just love God's word.

I keep searching for bible study where understanding of what is written take presidence of anyone doctrines.


In love with Him

CRIB

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Not true Crib--we are still waiting for you to answer the many questions we have posed to you and you have refused. So what else can we do?
http://christianforums.com/t6592289&page=2

honorthesabbath said:

Not true Crib--we are still waiting for you to answer the many questions we have posed to you and you have refused. So what else can we do?
http://christianforums.com/t6592289&page=2

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Truth is Honor, I give plenty of answers, It is my pleasure. The fact is, it's easy to pour questions and text with keywords, that dont connect. This send confusion into everything. I get tired of responding to replies, then that requestor has more questions, rather than further dailog on my responses. I get burned out. It takes me hours and days to respond because I do research of God's word, so I can give a good answer.

Honor, I'm starting to form an opinion of your attempts to question mine people's character.

It would not hurt me at all to hear a hearty AMEN from others who would agree with you.

When you speak the word of God....I say AMEN to it.

When I chose too, I respond to resonable requests.

Happy New Year.
In peace
CRIB

Cribstyl said:

PC, you're a gentleman, I appreciate your respectful interaction with me and this forum .

I made these statement among others..."My questions are never answered by those who keep trying to ram the law and sabbath into every thread."

"I keep searching for bible study where understanding of what is written take presidence of anyone doctrines."

You replied

What did you mean by that statement?

Then you said...


I'm not sure what you're looking for, especially since you passed over texts showing the giving of the law over and over and over.
Then you reaffirmed my question....


.. I said that you can do better, because your replies uses text to explain what you believe rather than explain what is written.

Here is what is written.....
1. Gen 2:2,3 teaches what noone but God did on the seventh day. True or False?
When truth is kept in context, God's rest is an end of work, just as is reemphasized within those texts, using the phrases.. v2"God ended his work",..."v2...rested [COLOR=#]from all his work which he had made.”
"... v3"because that in it he had rested from all his work" Text does not convey that God took a 24hr break from work, it teaches us that God finished creation and entered His place of rest.[/COLOR]
...........................................................................

2. Ex 34:27,28...is the same words of the covenant that God said He did not give to the fathers before Moses at Horeb (Sinai). Deu 5:3The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.
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3. Ex20:8...Teaches Remember to keep a 24hr sabbath perfectly as God commands, six days do all your work, the seventh day will be a 24hr sabbath unto God.. In that day, make sure you do no work, not your son, daughter, stranger, or animals within you teritory. The reason is because God did all His work in six day and rested on the seventh day, this is why, the sabbath is blessed and sanctified for you to rest on.


Further truth reveals that sabbath is a sign of God's rest. Exd 31:13, Exd 31:17

Another fact to observe is that God declares, to whom His rest was offered (COI) did not enter because of unbelief. The fact is, they did keep a sabbath day.(imperfectly)
Hbr 4:1

The bottom line is;
"sabbath" and "God's rest" is not the same thing.
Sabbath is a sign of God's rest. It's duration is 24hr.
God's rest is a place" for those who die to the flesh and are born in the spirit. that place is.. "In Jesus"

brother2brother
CRIB

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Hi CRIB, happy new year.

Quote.
What did you mean by that statement? Unquote.

O yes I thought it was a very interesting statement when you said quote ‘when the 10.com could have been given’ Unquote.

Of course I went through the OT to try and find you an answer as to what time this could have occurred.
Unfortunately I was unable to be of much help to you and I was very disappointed about that, so I said the following.

“Hi Crib, It won’t be enough but I have tried to answer your question I hope it is at least of some help in your search.
From Gen Chapter 5 verse 1. to 32. it is not too difficult to work out a time span.”

I read your study with interest but I realised I may have inadvertently misunderstood you and for that I am most sorry.

Quote “I'm not sure what you're looking for, especially since you passed over texts showing the giving of the law over and over and over.
Then you reaffirmed my question....Unquote.

I found something in Matthew but even that was not enough information that I could give you unfortunately.

Quote.” I said that you can do better, because your replies uses text to explain what you believe rather than explain what is written.” Unquote.

I did the best that I could to find the information relevant to that question and I stayed focussed on that issue but I found insufficient biblical information to pin point the time.

As far as your other well put study comments I appreciate what your saying and thank you very much for them.

Maranatha.

PC

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Hi CRIB, happy new year.

PC

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Happy New Year Friend

PC, the claims I requested from text is; When was the ten commandments first given to Adam and Eve or anyonelse?

The bible shows sabbath was first given in Ex16 and 10.commandments first given at Sinia.
Several book of prophets present the children of Israel as the recepients of sabbath and the 10 commandments.

I have read the bible from many perspectives and I am shocked by what is taught by sabbath keepers.

All I can say is....by default we talk about sabbath and the law, because for some reason we have to hear about those issues rather than the gospel Christ sent His Apostles to preach.


CRIB

Hi Crib,

I have been observing this discussion with a degree of amusement. PC is completly correct in stating that there is no text that pinpoints the time of what we might call the "first anouncement of the Ten Cmmandments."

However, I would like to ask you if you would consider the use of biblical principals and loigic to answer your question?

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

thecountrydoc said:

Hi Crib,

I have been observing this discussion with a degree of amusement. PC is completly correct in stating that there is no text that pinpoints the time of what we might call the "first anouncement of the Ten Cmmandments."

However, I would like to ask you if you would consider the use of biblical principals and loigic to answer your question?

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

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DOC, Why are vital truths of bible made so difficult?
How many times have God appeared on earth to men? The bible is the written account of God's plan of salvation to restore man to Himself.
The Glory of God is seen by Moses when He went to Mt Sinai to recieve God's ten Commandments.
To read about men who encounter the light of God's glory is to know that God does nothing secretly.
God is Holy. Sinful man cannot encounter God unless God sends a mediator.
To understand that Moses is a type of Christ, is to know that God was carrying out His Sovereign plans beyond mans wisdom.



It's funny how SDA consider God's ten commandment as such a sacred writting of God's own finger. So, Where is the law and the sacredness of it before it was given at Sinai?
Where is the Law from Adam to Moses?...Bible text reads that it did not exist,( Rom 5:13,14) nor was it given to the fathers before Moses (Deu 5:3)

Doc, I did not ask for......what we might call the "first anouncement of the Ten Cmmandments."

but since you say there is no text that announces it, " Lucy, I think you have some splaining to do"


Exd 19:3And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

Exd 19:4Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and [how] I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

Exd 19:5Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:
Exd 19:6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exd 19:7And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exd 19:8And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.
Exd 19:9And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.
Exd 19:10And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
Exd 19:11And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
Exd 19:12And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, [that ye] go [not] up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:
Exd 19:13There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether [it be] beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.
Exd 19:14And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.
Exd 19:15And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at [your] wives.
Exd 19:16And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that [was] in the camp trembled.
Exd 19:17And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
Exd 19:18And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
Exd 19:19And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
Exd 19:20And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses [up] to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.
Exd 19:21And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.
Exd 19:22And let the priests also, which come near to the LORD, sanctify themselves, lest the LORD break forth upon them.
Exd 19:23And Moses said unto the LORD, The people cannot come up to mount Sinai: for thou chargedst us, saying, Set bounds about the mount, and sanctify it.


The undisputable truth is, In red above is where God announces His covenant (the ten commandments), that was not my question, I asked about the giving or recieving of it.


Doc the stage is yours, Xplain thyself
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respect and love,
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reddogs said:

Those who truly seek Gods truth are my intended audience and my purpose is to challenge them to open their eyes, set aside any prejudice and ask themselves the following:

1) Is there another church with a more complete and fullness of Gods truth in harmony with His word and understanding of prophecy, if so, you must go to it.

2) Is there another church with a more complete and fullness of understanding of the Sabbath and its purpose then you must go to it and gain the understanding.

3) Is there another church with a more complete and fullness of Three Angels message and the end time before Christ comes again then you must go to it and gain the understanding.

4) Is there another church with a more complete and fullness of understanding of the Investigative Judgement and its purpose then you must go to it and gain the understanding.

5) Is there another church that is more prepared for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit as has been promised then you must go to it and prepare for the Spirit to be poured out.

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Hello reddogs.
The Gospel doesn't make your list?

honorthesabbath said:

I think the operative word here is 'detailed'.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

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Hi.
I was wondering if you've read that in context.

9 "Who is it he is trying to teach?
To whom is he explaining his message?
To children weaned from their milk,
to those just taken from the breast?

10 For it is:
Do and do, do and do,
rule on rule, rule on rule;
a little here, a little there."
11 Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues
God will speak to this people,
12 to whom he said,
"This is the resting place, let the weary rest";
and, "This is the place of repose"—
but they would not listen.

13 So then, the word of the LORD to them will become:
Do and do, do and do,
rule on rule, rule on rule;
a little here, a little there—
so that they will go and fall backward,
be injured and snared and captured.

Doctrine usually trumps context.