The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

[Carl Emerson]

Addressing your own statements seems to offend you.

Perhaps it's time to move on

I notice you didn't quote me - just accused.

Maybe you should move on ?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Strange it wasn't posted but the very next verse gives us the context of who was at fault and why....


8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord

The covenant was not the issue, why He wrote the exact words of the covenant Psa89:34 Exo34:28 2Cor3:3 just established His New Covenant on better promises Heb8:6 (if we cooperate with Him) on what He will do, if we allow Him to Heb8:10 John14:15-18

I think it is dangerous to ignore the plain reading when considering the greater context.

In this case you have denied the plain reading by making it into an 'either or' - when saying it is a 'both and' does not deny the text.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I think it is dangerous to ignore the plain reading when considering the greater context.

In this case you have denied the plain reading by making it into an 'either or' - when saying it is a 'both and' does not deny the text.

So you're taking back what you said before was clear and plain.

Are you now saying God was at fault because they broke His covenant and did not continue in it? He said there would not have not been a need for a new covenant had they not broke it. There was no either or, it was them who broke the covenant and it plainly tells us why, because they did not continue in it. There was nothing wrong with God's Testimony Exo31:18 His covenant Exo28:34 Deut4:13 written by the Holy Spirit of Truth, its perfect for converting the soul. Ps19:7 The issue is man, not God or His covenants.

God does not break His covenant, man does.

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Why would only worshipping God be considered work? If that's work for someone perhaps they need to re-evaluate ones priorities. The Holy Spirit is Who wrote the Law, why would He be against His own laws, He is the One who enables us to keep His commandments through our love and cooperation John 14:15-18

And if you are only singling out the Sabbath as work, God asks us not to work but to rest from our works and labors on His holy Sabbath day.

Yes I agree - every day should be a Sabbath...

No more striving for Salvation, just being enormously thankful to be lavished with undeserved Love.

 

[Studyman]

Phil 3:2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and take pride in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh,
4 although I myself could boast as having confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he is confident in the flesh, I have more reason:

5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; "as to the Law", a Pharisee;

What was "the Law of the Pharisee", according to the Jesus "of the Bible"?

Is. 29: 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: (Not God)

Matt. 15: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the "commandments of men". (Not God as you are promoting)

Mark 7: 8 For laying aside "the commandment of God", ye hold the "tradition of men" (Not God as you are trying to convince me), as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well "ye reject the commandment of God", that ye may keep "your own tradition". (Not God's Laws)

Rom. 10: 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish "their own righteousness", have "not submitted themselves" unto the righteousness "of God".

John 19: 7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by "our law" he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. What LAW of God condemned Jesus to death? Of course the answer that you full well know, is NONE. And yet you would try and convince men that the Pharisees, including Paul as a Pharisee, was "Blameless" in God's Laws.

Matt. 23: 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: "for they say, and do not." 4 For they (Not God as you promote) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

So by Paul and Jesus' Own words, the Pharisees had their own LAW. They "claimed" is was the Law of Moses, but the Jesus "of the Bible" who you call Lord, Lord, clearly told you it was not. They "Claimed" to trust Moses. But Jesus exposed that they did not;

John 5: 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 7: 19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

I could go on and on in the Law and Prophets which expose the insidious LIE that the Jewish rulers of the City of David, and the Temple of Solomon were promoting God's Laws.

6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church;(of God) as to the righteousness which is in the Law, (Of the Pharisees, not God) found blameless.

The most insidious and evil falsehood ever perpetrated by this world's religions, if the blatant and evil lie that the Pharisees were living by, striving to live by, or promoted to others, God's Laws.

But just like the evil and wicked teaching that Jesus "Refused to Comply with His Father's Laws" where the adulterous woman was concerned, it doesn't matter to the men who promote such wickedness, what the Scriptures actually say. I can show God's Words over and over again to the promoters of this world's religious system, that the Pharisees LAW and God's Law were two completely different Laws, but it won't matter to them.

Nevertheless, it is my hope that you might be different than those Jesus specifically warned about, and that you might actually be interested in what the scriptures actually teach.

That is still my hope.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes I agree - every day should be a Sabbath...

No more striving for Salvation, just being enormously thankful to be lavished with undeserved Love.

If every day was the Sabbath and we were to rest from all works and labors, we would all be dead.

Why He gives us: Exo 20: 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

Its best to go with what God says, but He gives us free will

This is God's Testimony both written and spoken by God. He does not break or alter His covenants

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Can't be any more plain this this. And no one is above Him to alter a single jot or tittle because man is not God.

 

[Carl Emerson]

So you're taking back what you said before was clear and plain.

Are you now saying God was at fault because they broke the covenant and did not continue in it? He said there would not have not been a need for a new covenant had they not broke it. There was no either or, it was them who broke the covenant, there was nothing wrong with God's Testimony Exo31:18 His covenant Exo28:34 Deut4:13 written by the Holy Spirit of Truth, its perfect for converting the soul. Ps19:7 The issue is man, not God.

Sorry if I wasn't clear...

First can you quote me saying God was at fault ??? I wouldn't have thought you would falsely accuse me as well ?

Heb 8 says...

6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second.

Do you think it was God's fault that the first covenant had faults ?

I don't.

 

[Hentenza]

Strange it wasn't posted but the very next verse gives us the context of who was at fault and why....


8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord

The covenant was not the issue, why He wrote the exact words of the covenant Psa89:34 Exo34:28 2Cor3:3 just established His New Covenant on better promises Heb8:6 (if we cooperate with Him) on what He will do, if we allow Him to Heb8:10 John14:15-18

“When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.

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The covenant was indeed the problem. No one could keep it perfectly so God had to send His beloved Son to die for our sins and fulfill the old covenant. The law was always the problem.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sorry if I wasn't clear...

First can you quote me saying God was at fault ??? I wouldn't have thought you would falsely accuse me as well ?

Heb 8 says...

6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second.

Do you think it was God's fault that the first covenant had faults ?

I don't.

Are we really going back to this cutting off the context of the very next verse that plainly tells us who was at fault and why.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

The covenant was not the issue the issue was THEM. Because THEY did not continue in in.

God in His great mercy for mankind instead of writing us off completely He establishes His New Covenant which is established on BETTER PROMISES Heb8:6

Still has the law of God, just written on a better surface from tables of stone to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 not altering the words of the covenant Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-30 because what the Holy Spirit of Truth writes cannot ever be an untruth.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The law was never the problem unless one thinks being holy, just and good is a problem Rom7:12 and perfect a problem Psa19:7. Everything God calls us to be, holy Lev 19:2 1 Peter 1:16 perfect Mat 5:48 just as He is, just as His perfect law is. The problem is the deceitfulness of sin, turning us away from the law of God Rom 7:22-23 Rom8:7-8

 

[Carl Emerson]

What was "the Law of the Pharisee", according to the Jesus "of the Bible"?

Is. 29: 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: (Not God)

Matt. 15: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the "commandments of men". (Not God as you are promoting)

Mark 7: 8 For laying aside "the commandment of God", ye hold the "tradition of men" (Not God as you are trying to convince me), as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well "ye reject the commandment of God", that ye may keep "your own tradition". (Not God's Laws)

Rom. 10: 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish "their own righteousness", have "not submitted themselves" unto the righteousness "of God".

John 19: 7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by "our law" he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. What LAW of God condemned Jesus to death? Of course the answer that you full well know, is NONE. And yet you would try and convince men that the Pharisees, including Paul as a Pharisee, was "Blameless" in God's Laws.

Matt. 23: 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: "for they say, and do not." 4 For they (Not God as you promote) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

So by Paul and Jesus' Own words, the Pharisees had their own LAW. They "claimed" is was the Law of Moses, but the Jesus "of the Bible" who you call Lord, Lord, clearly told you it was not. They "Claimed" to trust Moses. But Jesus exposed that they did not;

John 5: 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 7: 19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

I could go on and on in the Law and Prophets which expose the insidious LIE that the Jewish rulers of the City of David, and the Temple of Solomon were promoting God's Laws.



The most insidious and evil falsehood ever perpetrated by this world's religions, if the blatant and evil lie that the Pharisees were living by, striving to live by, or promoted to others, God's Laws.

But just like the evil and wicked teaching that Jesus "Refused to Comply with His Father's Laws" where the adulterous woman was concerned, it doesn't matter to the men who promote such wickedness, what the Scriptures actually say. I can show God's Words over and over again to the promoters of this world's religious system, that the Pharisees LAW and God's Law were two completely different Laws, but it won't matter to them.

Nevertheless, it is my hope that you might be different than those Jesus specifically warned about, and that you might actually be interested in what the scriptures actually teach.

That is still my hope.

Paul made the claim about having in his past kept the Law, as a redeemed believer - do you think he was lying ???

 

[Hentenza]

The law was never the problem unless one thinks being holy, just and good is a problem Rom7:12 and perfect a problem Psa19:7. Everything God calls us to be, holy perfect just as He is, just as His perfect law is. The problem is sin, turning us away from the law of God Tom 7:22-23 Rom8:7-8

The law was always the problem. The law showed the reason why we needed a savior because the law never atoned for sin. No one was ever able to keep the law perfectly until Jesus fulfilled it by being the only one that was able to keep the law perfectly. The law was our guardian until faith arrived by way of Jesus sacrifice. We no longer need a guardian. The law is cursed. The law will never justify anyone. The law is ineffective and weak. The law is dead for the Christian.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Too much out of context, not worth continuing to try and bring that back in.

Getting rid of the law does not help our situation, it just covers ones sin, where no one receives mercy. Pro 28:13 Exo20:6John3:19-21 Mat7:23

But all gets sorted out soon enough.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If every day was the Sabbath and we were to rest from all works and labors, we would all be dead.

Not so...

Matt 11

28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls..."

Being yoked to Jesus is not just for one day a week.

His Yoke is easy and His burden is light.

 

[Hentenza]

Too much out of context, not worth continuing to try and bring that back in.

Getting rid of the law does not help our situation, it just covers ones sin, where no one receives mercy. Pro 28:13 Exo20:6John3:19-21 Mat7:23

But all gets sorted out soon enough.

No out of context at all. We already got rid of the law and it vastly improved the Christian’s situation because now we are being led and convicted by the spirit.

“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

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Is that simple. No law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not so...

Matt 11

28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls..."

Being yoked to Jesus is not just for one day a week.

His Yoke is easy and His burden is light.

This is not the Sabbath rest.

This is the word for rest. ἀναπαύω this verse. Nothing to do with the Sabbath.

Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath day holy Luke4:16 so the rest Christ gives does not take away our moral obligation to obey His commandments. I would show you the context of this verse and what Jesus is quoting but for some reason I do not think it would make a difference. I guess all will get sorted out at His soon return. Jesus tells us no one receives rest by disobeying His commandments, thats unrest Isa48:18 Rev 14:11-12

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No out of context at all. We already got rid of the law and it vastly improved the Christian’s situation because now we are being led and convicted by the spirit.

“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

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Is that simple. No law.

If is the Key word, those led by the Spirit are KEEPING the law of old, not breaking it. John14:15-18 Rom8:7-8

Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter into His Kingdom.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Are we really going back to this cutting off the context of the very next verse that plainly tells us who was at fault and why.

That is not what I said - I suggested both the Law and the Israelites were the problem.

Heb 8 says...

6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second.

 

[Hentenza]

If is the Key word, those led by the Spirit are KEEPING the law of old, not breaking it. John14:15-18 Rom8:7-8

Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter into His Kingdom.

That’s not what Paul says. Address the verse.

“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

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It doesn’t get any clearer.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That is not what I said - I suggested both the Law and the Israelites were the problem.

Heb 8 says...

6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second.

Who gave the Law- God, so saying the Law He said is perfect Psa 19:7 holy, just and good Rom7:12 was at fault IS saying God is at fault.

It doesn’t say the covenant was at fault, the law of God written by the Holy Spirit of Truth was not the problem as if only worshipping God is a problem, or not stealing from our neighbor is a problem. The next verse tells us where the fault was plainly, but feel free to keep not posting the context, it doesn’t make God’s Truth any less Truth, it just covers it. Only the Truth sets us free.

Take care