The thief on the cross died BEFORE Acts 2:38 salvation was preached

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If you have to admit you are a sinner Believe in Christ and confess with your mouth what Baptism does is NOT save, but rather it is a way of making it PUBLIC.


Millions upon Millions of people think they are saved. You will never be decieved or go wrong in obeying the apostles. Read the book of Acts and see where Paul got converted the same way. The apostles simply obeyed JESUS Christ to the fullest.
 
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Rom 3:21-22 KJV But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
 
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Define Believe according to the New Testement?
To trust in Jesus that He dies for you and to believe that and take that for yourself. Another thing if Baptism saves does that mean that if I die and did not repent of a sin that I committed right before I died that I would not be saved We ALL sin.
 
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I just searched another one, are you even reading these with an open mind or just arguing?
The Waters of the Flood and Baptism: 1 Peter 3:20-21
“And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you”. The term corresponding means, “resembling another, its counter part” (Thayer p. 51). ANTITUPOS: lit., a striking back, copy, corresponding type (Vine pp. 95-96). “Corresponding to something that has gone before. ‘Means baptism, which is a fulfillment (of the type) now saves you, that is, the saving of Noah from the flood is a foreshadowing of baptism, our salvation” (Arndt p. 76). “Baptism is presented as corresponding to (pre-figured by) the deliverance of Noah’s family by water” (Robertson p. 119). How can anyone argue that baptism is non-essential? Water baptism in the New Testament is the original pattern, which various Old Testament practices and events foreshadowed, such as the flood, crossing the Red Sea (1 Corinthians 10:1-2); and the laver in which the priests washed prior to serving in the tabernacle (Exodus 30:18-20/Titus 3:5). Consider the parallels: The waters of the flood delivered Noah from a corrupt society to a new world, water baptism brings one into a state of newness of life (Romans 6:3-5). Water delivered Noah from a condemned world---baptism delivers us from condemnation (Mark 16:16). The flood separated the saved from the lost---baptism is the line between lost and saved. The flood was not the Savior, but the instrument or means of deliverance---water baptism is not the Savior, rather it is the last condition prior to salvation (Acts 22:16). The only warning that people received prior to the flood was preaching (1 Peter 3:20), in like manner the exhortation we receive from God to be baptized is through the preaching of the gospel message. God was patient prior to the flood and God is still patient today (2 Peter 3:9). The people who rejected God’s offer of salvation during Noah’s generation are now in prison, in like manner, those who reject God’s command to be baptized will not be saved.

“Most interpreters would agree that whatever element or action is specified in the above passages as necessary for being saved should not be omitted from the teaching of salvation. To omit any item that saves us would be to leave out hope, belief, grace, the blood of Christ, confessing Christ, and Jesus Himself! When therefore the Scriptures also tell us baptism now saves you, one is hard pressed to shrug it off as nonessential to salvation” (Oberst pp. 183-184). Consider also the word “now”. Baptism for the remission of sins was not commanded during the time of Noah nor during the period of the Law of Moses. The reason that people were not baptized in the Old Testament is because baptism for the remission of sins is part of the New Testament. The command to be baptized was given after the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16). “But an appeal to God for a good conscience”: “Earnest seeking, a craving, an intense desire, long for something” (Thayer p. 230); “primarily a question or inquiry, denotes a demand or appeal” (Vine p. 268); “the craving for a conscience right with God” (Gspd); “it means the ability to face God with a clear conscience” (Phi). “Is another way of saying ‘a request for forgiveness of sins and a new heart’. When God gives a sinner a clear conscience, that person has the assurance that every sin has been forgiven (Heb. 9:14; 10:22)” (Grudem p.163).

Mark Dunagan/Beaverton Church of Christ/503-644-9017
www.beavertonchurchofchrist.net/mdunagan@easystreet.com
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Galatians 2:16 NLT
Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law."
 
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To trust in Jesus that He dies for you and to believe that and take that for yourself. Another thing if Baptism saves does that mean that if I die and did not repent of a sin that I committed right before I died that I would not be saved We ALL sin.


If you do not believe or repent and are not baptised in JESUS name then according to Jesus you are dammed for hell and the lake of fire.

But Jesus died for us, now all we have to do is Repent of our sins and turn from them, be water baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and believe in recieving the Holy Ghost. The apostles prayed for the Holy Ghost. This is truth and not some easy man made salvation.
 
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what about James?
14 ¶ What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and
have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the
body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith
without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also
believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac
his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made
perfect?
 
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You said that the thief on the cross died before Acts 2 was preached. This is true, BUT did He die before Jesus was baptized or baptized people. Did He die before John 3?
 
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Galatians 2:16 NLT
Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law."

he is telling them you are not made right by obeying the law (law of Moses) Jews tried to get new converts to practice the OT...
 
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I just searched another one, are you even reading these with an open mind or just arguing?
The Waters of the Flood and Baptism: 1 Peter 3:20-21
“And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you”. The term corresponding means, “resembling another, its counter part” (Thayer p. 51). ANTITUPOS: lit., a striking back, copy, corresponding type (Vine pp. 95-96). “Corresponding to something that has gone before. ‘Means baptism, which is a fulfillment (of the type) now saves you, that is, the saving of Noah from the flood is a foreshadowing of baptism, our salvation” (Arndt p. 76). “Baptism is presented as corresponding to (pre-figured by) the deliverance of Noah’s family by water” (Robertson p. 119). How can anyone argue that baptism is non-essential? Water baptism in the New Testament is the original pattern, which various Old Testament practices and events foreshadowed, such as the flood, crossing the Red Sea (1 Corinthians 10:1-2); and the laver in which the priests washed prior to serving in the tabernacle (Exodus 30:18-20/Titus 3:5). Consider the parallels: The waters of the flood delivered Noah from a corrupt society to a new world, water baptism brings one into a state of newness of life (Romans 6:3-5). Water delivered Noah from a condemned world---baptism delivers us from condemnation (Mark 16:16). The flood separated the saved from the lost---baptism is the line between lost and saved. The flood was not the Savior, but the instrument or means of deliverance---water baptism is not the Savior, rather it is the last condition prior to salvation (Acts 22:16). The only warning that people received prior to the flood was preaching (1 Peter 3:20), in like manner the exhortation we receive from God to be baptized is through the preaching of the gospel message. God was patient prior to the flood and God is still patient today (2 Peter 3:9). The people who rejected God’s offer of salvation during Noah’s generation are now in prison, in like manner, those who reject God’s command to be baptized will not be saved.

“Most interpreters would agree that whatever element or action is specified in the above passages as necessary for being saved should not be omitted from the teaching of salvation. To omit any item that saves us would be to leave out hope, belief, grace, the blood of Christ, confessing Christ, and Jesus Himself! When therefore the Scriptures also tell us baptism now saves you, one is hard pressed to shrug it off as nonessential to salvation” (Oberst pp. 183-184). Consider also the word “now”. Baptism for the remission of sins was not commanded during the time of Noah nor during the period of the Law of Moses. The reason that people were not baptized in the Old Testament is because baptism for the remission of sins is part of the New Testament. The command to be baptized was given after the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16). “But an appeal to God for a good conscience”: “Earnest seeking, a craving, an intense desire, long for something” (Thayer p. 230); “primarily a question or inquiry, denotes a demand or appeal” (Vine p. 268); “the craving for a conscience right with God” (Gspd); “it means the ability to face God with a clear conscience” (Phi). “Is another way of saying ‘a request for forgiveness of sins and a new heart’. When God gives a sinner a clear conscience, that person has the assurance that every sin has been forgiven (Heb. 9:14; 10:22)” (Grudem p.163).

Mark Dunagan/Beaverton Church of Christ/503-644-9017
www.beavertonchurchofchrist.net/mdunagan@easystreet.com
Types and Shadows


good post
 
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he is telling them you are not made right by obeying the law (law of Moses) Jews tried to get new converts to practice the OT...
We are still not saved by works though.
 
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Kat, that is so easy to explain, there is what they call Justification by faith and Justification by works. Right standing with God is by faith in Jesus alone, God can see your heart, He does not need actions to know that you believe in Him.

But how do people around you know that you are right with God? They cannot see whats in your heart and so they will know that you are already right with God from your actions! justification by works. One is Justification before God and the other is justification before human beings!
 
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Romans 10:9-17 NLT
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. [11] As the Scriptures tell us, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced." [12] Jew and Gentile are the same in this respect. They have the same Lord, who gives generously to all who call on him. [13] For "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." [14] But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? [15] And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, "How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!" [16] But not everyone welcomes the Good News, for Isaiah the prophet said, "Lord, who has believed our message?" [17] So faith comes from hearing, that is, hearing the Good News about Christ.
 
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Kat, that is so easy to explain, there is what they call Justification by faith and Justification by works. Right standing with God is by faith in Jesus alone, God can see your heart, He does not need actions to know that you believe in Him.

But how do people around you know that you are right with God? They cannot see whats in your heart and so they will know that you are already right with God from your actions! justification by works.
and they still cannot know for certain.
 
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Romans 10:9-17 NLT
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. [11] As the Scriptures tell us, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced." [12] Jew and Gentile are the same in this respect. They have the same Lord, who gives generously to all who call on him. [13] For "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." [14] But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? [15] And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, "How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!" [16] But not everyone welcomes the Good News, for Isaiah the prophet said, "Lord, who has believed our message?" [17] So faith comes from hearing, that is, hearing the Good News about Christ.

he was talking to the jews in verse 1 it sets the tone for the whole chapter.
 
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