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Scripture doesn't tell us that but it is likely. However the secret is "all the light he had". If we reject light are we living up to all the light we have?Good! Then was the Samaritan sinning, or was he keeping all of the laws that were given up to that time that applied to him?
Let's assume that he was. That means that he had made an idol, so he was breaking one of the 10.Scripture doesn't tell us that but it is likely.
No, if we reject light we are not living up to all the light we have.However the secret is "all the light he had". If we reject light are we living up to all the light we have?
So is the Christian world living up to all the light they have? Do you? Have you had scripture presented to you about the lives we need to live if we really love God? Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. He didn't say keep my commandment. And even that commandment was given in the OT which according to every Sunday keeper I have talked to don't believe they need to keep any laws given to the Israelites/Jews.Let's assume that he was. That means that he had made an idol, so he was breaking one of the 10.
Yet he is used as an example of loving your neighbor as yourself.
Thus it is possible to break one of the 10 yet keep the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself.
The shows that the commandment to love your neighbor is separate from the 10, although I agree there is overlap.
No, if we reject light we are not living up to all the light we have.
Some are, some aren'tSo is the Christian world living up to all the light they have?
I try.Do you?
Yes, also scriptures that I've read myself.Have you had scripture presented to you about the lives we need to live if we really love God?
Amen.Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. He didn't say keep my commandment.
Sorry, I'm not following that sentenceAnd even that commandment was given in the OT which according to every Sunday keeper I have talked to don't believe they need to keep any laws given to the Israelites/Jews.
The command to love God supremely and our neighbor as ourselves is an OT command.Some are, some aren't
I try.
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Yes, also scriptures that I've read myself.
But not every instruction in the scriptures applies to us.
Amen.
Sorry, I'm not following that sentence
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What I'm saying regarding the Ten Commandments and the other 603 is that there are more then just 10 that would apply to us today. But there doesn't seem to be any reasonable, scriptural way to divide up the 613 into today and yesterday. This affects how we keep the laws that apply to us today
That's right! And those are moral commandments, aren't they?The command to love God supremely and our neighbor as ourselves is an OT command.
Leviticus 18: 17 ¶Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.*n1
18 ¶Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
Leviticus 19: 17 ¶Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.*n1
18 ¶Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 6: 5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Just like the 10 commandments. So why do you keep OT commandments? I've never met a Sunday keeper who believes they should obey any laws given to the Jews.That's right! And those are moral commandments, aren't they?
Right, there are moral Commandments that are not the 10.Just like the 10 commandments.
There's wisdom in the principles behind Old Testament Commandments. But I don't think any of them should be kept to the letter.So why do you keep OT commandments?
Just as an example, the Old Testament law is to love your neighbor as yourself. The New Testament direction is to love others as Jesus loved us. It's a much higher standard, isn't it?I've never met a Sunday keeper who believes they should obey any laws given to the Jews.
No. Loving your neighbor as yourself is the same. It's the same principle as loving God. It's impossible to love anyone more than that as it is all based on the principle of treating everyone equally, enemies as well as friends. That's what God does. If He didn't not a one of us could be redeemed.Right, there are moral Commandments that are not the 10.
In my conversation with the OP, @Icyspark , my impression was he was going to show me how to divide up the entire law. That led to this thread, as I remember the situation, in which I believe he wanted to show that the 10 were special.
There are special things about the 10, but they don't help us reach the conclusion that the entire law can be divided up in a reasonable, scriptural way.
That leads me to the conclusion that the entire law, all 613, has passed away.
There's wisdom in the principles behind Old Testament Commandments. But I don't think any of them should be kept to the letter.
Just as an example, the Old Testament law is to love your neighbor as yourself. The New Testament direction is to love others as Jesus loved us. It's a much higher standard, isn't it?
I think loving others as Jesus loved us is higher than loving our neighbor as ourselves. We may not love ourselves as much as Jesus loves us. But we are called to love others as much as Jesus loves us.No. Loving your neighbor as yourself is the same. It's the same principle as loving God. It's impossible to love anyone more than that as it is all based on the principle of treating everyone equally, enemies as well as friends. That's what God does. If He didn't not a one of us could be redeemed.
I don't understand you. Would you, or would you not, want your neighbor to give up his life for you, your wife or your kids if you needed it? Would you do the same for him? If not then you are not living up to the Golden Rule which Jesus says is the law and the prophets.I think loving others as Jesus loved us is higher than loving our neighbor as ourselves. We may not love ourselves as much as Jesus loves us. But we are called to love others as much as Jesus loves us.
I would. However, I was saying that loving others as Jesus loved us is a higher kind of love than loving our neighbors as ourselves. That's how it looks to meI don't understand you. Would you, or would you not, want your neighbor to give up his life for you, your wife or your kids if you needed it?
I like to think that I willWould you do the same for him?
Sounds good! If the entire law is made up of moral Commandments, then there are many more than just 10 moral CommandmentsIf not then you are not living up to the Golden Rule which Jesus says is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5: 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
So how does a law get more moral than that? And Jesus says the entire OT is made up of this morality which includes the 10 commandments. This is what Jesus lived out in His life here on earth.
No. Remember who is talking. He is a Jew. He defeated the devil with OT scripture. He gave the 10 commandments on Sinai. He is not a modern Gentile.I would. However, I was saying that loving others as Jesus loved us is a higher kind of love than loving our neighbors as ourselves. That's how it looks to me
I like to think that I will
Sounds good! If the entire law is made up of moral Commandments, then there are many more than just 10 moral Commandments
Sorry, I'm not following. Didn't you say that the entire law is a moral commandment?No. Remember who is talking. He is a Jew. He defeated the devil with OT scripture. He gave the 10 commandments on Sinai. He is not a modern Gentile.
Yes. I meant that the Sabbath commandment was still in force. You ought to know that with as many times as we've talked about it.Sorry, I'm not following. Didn't you say that the entire law is a moral commandment?
I know your position on the Sabbath, but in the post below, it sounded to me like you were saying the entire law was a moral commandment.Yes. I meant that the Sabbath commandment was still in force. You ought to know that with as many times as we've talked about it.
I don't understand you. Would you, or would you not, want your neighbor to give up his life for you, your wife or your kids if you needed it? Would you do the same for him? If not then you are not living up to the Golden Rule which Jesus says is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5: 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
So how does a law get more moral than that? And Jesus says the entire OT is made up of this morality which includes the 10 commandments. This is what Jesus lived out in His life here on earth.
No, Jesus would never have said that in the way you mean by the law and the prophets. What He said was that to love our neighbor as ourselves was the law and the prophets. By that He could not have looked at hings the way you mean them. He knew the sacrificial system was coming to an end at His death and that the ceremonial laws were coming to a close. He also knew the Talmud was full of hate as that is where the Pharisees took the vast majority of their beliefs.I know your position on the Sabbath, but in the post below, it sounded to me like you were saying the entire law was a moral commandment.
Okay... The sacrificial system and the ceremonial laws were ended. Is that all of the 603? Or did some of the 603 not end?No, Jesus would never have said that in the way you mean by the law and the prophets. What He said was that to love our neighbor as ourselves was the law and the prophets. By that He could not have looked at hings the way you mean them. He knew the sacrificial system was coming to an end at His death and that the ceremonial laws were coming to a close. He also knew the Talmud was full of hate as that is where the Pharisees took the vast majority of their beliefs.
Some of those 603 are completely ridiculous as one is thou shalt not rob openly. So robbing someone behind the scenes is OK? The 10 commandment's principles cover all forms of morality so there is no need for all the fluff and detail. It's legalism in the extreme. It's based upon the Pharisees ideas of "protecting the law" by creating myriads of rules to govern all possible human actions and we see how well that works in the murder of Jesus.Okay... The sacrificial system and the ceremonial laws were ended. Is that all of the 603? Or did some of the 603 not end?
Amen to the principles of the Ten Commandments! That's what we keep isn't it? The principles.Some of those 603 are completely ridiculous as one is thou shalt not rob openly. So robbing someone behind the scenes is OK? The 10 commandment's principles cover all forms of morality so there is no need for all the fluff and detail. It's legalism in the extreme. It's based upon the Pharisees ideas of "protecting the law" by creating myriads of rules to govern all possible human actions and we see how well that works in the murder of Jesus.
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