The Ten Commandments stands for ever.

[bugkiller]

Not that I'm trying to get back into this discussion, but to clarify,

I think that the focus usually remains on the 10 (specifically the 4th) because most don't have any problem accepting that it is still immoral to commit incest or things of that nature. Most of those laws were also cultural, tailored to the Israelites and their way of living. Other laws dealt with the priesthood and all associated activities.

So in other words, the ten are the ones most discussed because the ten include the sabbath commandment which has become a point of contention among christians.

I think the focus is on the fourth because you refuse to understand or accept the new covenant Jere 31:31, 32. It says very clearly not like the covenant made with their fathers, which is identified in Deut 4:13 as the ten commandments.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Whose ducking scripture? I answered flat out. It says the glory was set aside does it not?

So what does that make them? Just old cold stone decorations, if you can even find them?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Clear context. It's talking about the glory of that ministry. Amazing how you can't see that. There is indeed a contrast being made. The contrast is between the glory of the law and the glory of Christ, one ministry to the other. But hey, you're gonna see what ya wanna see.

Most people are attracted to the brightest things. Since the Glory of Christ out does the ten commandments, how or why are you not attracted to Christ and away from the stone tablets?

bugkiller

 

[christianmomof3]

Whose ducking scripture?

I think perhaps you are ducking scripture and you are ignoring some questions. If you use the verses in the Old Testament that say to obey all of the Lord's commandments - it refers to ALL of them, not just the 10 commandments. The same would apply for when Jesus said to obey His commandments and to obey His Father's commandments. Nowhere does it refer to only the 10 commandments.

Who has decided which laws were cultural, tailored to the Israelites only or priesthood only? Who said that the 10 commandments refer to everyone while the other 603 don't and why should Sabbath keeping refer to everyone if resting on the first day of Passover does not refer to everyone? If you keep the Sabbath, then why do you not keep the commandment not to leave the borders of your city during the Sabbath?

Somewhere, somehow, you have made a judgement call or accepted someone else's decision about which laws should be followed and how they should be followed. Because really, what does it mean to not work on the Sabbath? What is "work"? Is it only a paid job? I doubt that is what was referred to in the original 10 commandments since they did all have "paid jobs" the way that we do now and since the actual commandment refers to servants and animals not working either.
8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
So, how do you know what "work" you should not do? The Orthodox Jewish rabbis have studied that issue for years and they continually update what things are "work". Apparantly, according to them, driving a car is work, but walking is not work. They have special stoves that can be left continually on so they don't have to light a flame to cook because lighting a flame would be considered work.

I personally think it is ridiculous.

But, if you really try to follow the law either you are making your own judgements about what parts of the law you chose to follow and how to do that or you are accepting someone else's decisions about it.

Or, you can look at Romans ch. 8 which does not mean that everyone who choses to call themselves a Christian is exempt from the law, but rather it tells us that all redeemed and regenerated Christians who are walking according to the spirit - following the leading of the indwelling Christ within them, spontaneously have the righteous requirement of the law fulfilled within them and are freed from the law of sin and death because they have the living Law Himself within them guiding them and they are following His commandments that He gives to them as He guides them throughout their lives.

We are to live according to the living Christ who is dwelling in us.
He is real and He is living within us.
He can, will and does guide us.
It is not a matter of going around willfully sinning and breaking written commandments. It is a matter of living by the spirit instead of by the flesh and following the Lord's instant commandments. To keep the Sabbath is now not only not to work one day a week, but to rest in Christ always, to not do any work or anything on our own or outside of Christ ever, but do do all things in Him to His glory.

 

[wayseer]

That is the point I was trying to make. If people insist on keeping the Lord's commandments because in the Bible it says to keep the Lord's commandments - the statements in the Bible refer to ALL of them - not just the 10 commandments. Therefore something must have changed since we don't feel the need to keep them all.

The point is things have 'changed'. Jesus' commandments changed the way the law was interpreted.

 

[Elder 111]

But you totally ignore the preceeding four verses. here they are: 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Are you even remotely suggesting that I am anomos? Galatians 5:16 -21. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

bugkiller

You are so dead set against the law that you can not see. This is a list of the law. He says that we are not under the law not that the law is not. The law condemns and if I live by the Spirit of God I will not do these things, Glory Hallelujah I will be keeping the law. Lord have mercy on our souls.

 

[Elder 111]

Why insist on only keeping 10 commandments?
Why will only those 10 stand forever?
Where does it say that those 10 will stand forever but the other 603 don't?

God made the point of writing the ten Himself. Some of the others he did even give. Do not be rediculous.

 

[Elder 111]

Good morning Ricardo.

I have a suggested reading,from the book of the month club.For some reason,I don't think it is your favorite.

2 CORINTHIANS 3:
7 Now if the ministry of death, chiselled in letters on stone tablets,came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’ face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside

11for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent come in glory!

What was written on stone?

What was set aside?

I know that your are not stupid, therefore you do not accept that we can live as we like and have a more Glorious life in Christ. What about Verse 9
For if the ministration of condemnation [be] glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. It is not the removal of the Ten Commandments but a victorious living in righteousness. What about 1Thim.1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers. It is not abolished It just does not condemn the righteous. Lord have mercy on us!!

 

[Elder 111]

The word all here referred to all of the Lord's commandments - not just to the 10 commandments.

That is the point I was trying to make. If people insist on keeping the Lord's commandments because in the Bible it says to keep the Lord's commandments - the statements in the Bible refer to ALL of them - not just the 10 commandments.
Therefore something must have changed since we don't feel the need to keep them all.

Who has decided which laws were cultural, tailored to the Israelites only or priesthood only? Who said that the 10 commandments refer to everyone while the other 603 don't and why should Sabbath keeping refer to everyone if resting on the first day of Passover does not refer to everyone? If you keep the Sabbath, then why do you not keep the commandment not to leave the borders of your city during the Sabbath?

Thhave already decided. No one else needs to. It is interesting, it is we who call ourselves the children of god that denies Him and His word. Clearly seen in the Isrealites.

 

[Elder 111]

Hi.
When you have a minute.Could you please post one NT vers,that shows how the law stops sin in the heart.Thanks.

Because under the law,the best pharisee alive,was killing Christians,untill he found that the Spirit gives power and life.Yeppers..Paulster.

The problem was not the law but submission to God. That was demontrated on the road remenber, Lord what would you have me do? Jsut to note the OT is all that Jesus and the same Paul used, you realised that they quoted from it? Have any of you ever stop to consider that you may be opposing God on this matter and not other Christians? I see this and all biblical matters as life or death not winning a point or discussion or arguement. Winning does not equate being write.

 

[Elder 111]

Off course not.

rom 6;14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.


gal 5;18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Why didin't Paul want the mosaic law for all the galatian churches?

Nice Mosiac law not ten Commandments!

 

[Elder 111]

No one is saying that.calm down.
you mentioned covet.Paul talked all about covet in Rom 7.Did you notice what aroused covet,instead of stopping covet?

rom 7;5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.

No it was not aroused it was made known.

 

[Frogster]

I know that your are not stupid, therefore you do not accept that we can live as we like and have a more Glorious life in Christ. What about Verse 9
For if the ministration of condemnation [be] glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. It is not the removal of the Ten Commandments but a victorious living in righteousness. What about 1Thim.1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers. It is not abolished It just does not condemn the righteous. Lord have mercy on us!!

Ummm,it says that came to an end,it was talking mosic cov,which contained that written on stone,the 10.

ok,you quoted 1 tim 1.Do you see in your quote,that it says the law was not laid down for the just?

Paul did not want the law taught to Tim's church..how come?

And judging by that list,it was moral law.

 

[Frogster]

The problem was not the law but submission to God. That was demontrated on the road remenber, Lord what would you have me do? Jsut to note the OT is all that Jesus and the same Paul used, you realised that they quoted from it? Have any of you ever stop to consider that you may be opposing God on this matter and not other Christians? I see this and all biblical matters as life or death not winning a point or discussion or arguement. Winning does not equate being write.

boy..all i did was ask for one NT verse,to show how the law stops sin in the heart.

 

[Frogster]

Nice Mosiac law not ten Commandments!

The 10 were a part of the mosic law.
The law was one,read gal 5;3.

 

[Frogster]

No it was not aroused it was made known.

Sure made known but also aroused.

Look here how sin used the law.Produced..or aroused.


8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.

Dont forget,the power of sin is the law 1 cor 15;56

Nice talking with you.

 

[Elder 111]

Ummm,it says that came to an end,it was talking mosic cov,which contained that written on stone,the 10.

ok,you quoted 1 tim 1.Do you see in your quote,that it says the law was not laid down for the just?

Paul did not want the law taught to Tim's church..how come?

And judging by that list,it was moral law.

A man who drive within the speed limit does not need to be told that he is driving too fast.

 

[Elder 111]

boy..all i did was ask for one NT verse,to show how the law stops sin in the heart.

Who ever said it did?

 

[Elder 111]

The 10 were a part of the mosic law.
The law was one,read gal 5;3.

Not at all. The ten commandment was under the mercy seat where God sat. The rest was at the side. There were treated differencely. God wrote one Moses wrote the others. Are equating Moses with God?

 

[Elder 111]

Sure made known but also aroused.

Look here how sin used the law.Produced..or aroused.


8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.

Dont forget,the power of sin is the law 1 cor 15;56

Nice talking with you.

So I am correct when I am saying that we do not need Christ once the law is abolished. For sin is by the law. Therefore the bible lies when it says all have sinned.