The Ten Commandments stands for ever.

[Stryder06]

I would love to debate him on the law sin issue,maybe one day,so long as he uses scripture,instead of talking about red buttons.

Sure, I would love to, and I'd even go so far as to regurgitate all of the scripture I've given you in the past. Thing is that you'll simply say your scriptures trump mine. Thus we'll go round and round, but it's cool.

Me and you. 1 v1. You pick the time and I'll be there.

 

[Frogster]

Now that's not fair. I've said the same thing there, in so many words, and it was called commentary and unscriptural. You guys kill me.

Is it that you do not know how to copy and paste?

Just go to a site you like,bring up a verse,run the mouse over it,it will tuen blue.Then right click it,it will say copy,Then in your post,click paste,and the scripture will appear.

 

[Stryder06]

well,,I humbly say,that I consider myself a back-up to bugkiller.I don't often take a back seat to anyone,But we all gotta admit,bugkiller knows his stuff

Knowing and properly applying is two different things. But you know that right.

And I like how you conveniently managed to not address the point I made about Jesus using illustrations to teach scripture.

 

[Stryder06]

Is it that you do not know how to copy and paste?

Just go to a site you like,bring up a verse,run the mouse over it,it will tuen blue.Then right click it,it will say copy,Then in your post,click paste,and the scripture will appear.

I guess you missed the part about me not liking redundancy. How long have we been at this? How many threads have we been in together where I gave you all the scripture you asked for?

 

[Frogster]

Sure, I would love to, and I'd even go so far as to regurgitate all of the scripture I've given you in the past. Thing is that you'll simply say your scriptures trump mine. Thus we'll go round and round, but it's cool.

Me and you. 1 v1. You pick the time and I'll be there.

Scripturelesstryder,what it really is,is that i can throw the whole book at you,as the expression goes.

Yor theology my bro,is based on prooftexting,and in a way,booktexting by omission.

But anyway,,we are bros.Did you have a nice weekend?

 

[Stryder06]

Scripturelesstryder,what it really is,is that i can throw the whole book at you,as the expression goes.

Yor theology my bro,is based on prooftexting,and in a way,booktexting by omission.

But anyway,,we are bros.Did you have a nice weekend?

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but proof texting is defined as the practice of using decontextualised quotations from a document (often, but not always, a book of the Bible) to establish a proposition.

Now if anyone here avoids considering context when they use scripture...

But again, it's whatever. And technically I can throw the whole book at you. Last time I checked, I reference both the OT and NT when discussing this subject, while you remain locked in the letters of Paul.

My weekend was fine. And I will only say this once. My tag on this forum is Stryder. If you think we're bros, than I'd appreciate it if you respected that and not prefix it with "scriptureless" as I've done no such thing to you.

 

[Frogster]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but proof texting is defined as the practice of using decontextualised quotations from a document (often, but not always, a book of the Bible) to establish a proposition.

Now if anyone here avoids considering context when they use scripture...

But again, it's whatever. And technically I can throw the whole book at you. Last time I checked, I reference both the OT and NT when discussing this subject, while you remain locked in the letters of Paul.

My weekend was fine. And I will only say this once. My tag on this forum is Stryder. If you think we're bros, than I'd appreciate it if you respected that and not prefix it with "scriptureless" as I've done no such thing to you.

ok,I will call you stryder.

 

[Stryder06]

ok,I will call you stryder.

 

[bugkiller]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but proof texting is defined as the practice of using decontextualised quotations from a document (often, but not always, a book of the Bible) to establish a proposition.

Now if anyone here avoids considering context when they use scripture...

But again, it's whatever. And technically I can throw the whole book at you. Last time I checked, I reference both the OT and NT when discussing this subject, while you remain locked in the letters of Paul.

My weekend was fine. And I will only say this once. My tag on this forum is Stryder. If you think we're bros, than I'd appreciate it if you respected that and not prefix it with "scriptureless" as I've done no such thing to you.

While it is some what antagonistic, I certainly think it appropriate and justifiable.

Nevertheless I see my good friend, Frogster does have good judgement in honoring you request.

bugkiller

 

[Elder 111]

It's obvious to me that you want Stryder to apply the scripture to discussion or understanding. You cant make him...

What he calls your theory is actually what scripture declares vs his illustration.

The law gives sin strength because it pronounces guilt, condemnation and a death penalty.
Technically the law has no power, it does not cause or prevent sin.
It only indicates the crime and punishment which is death.

1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
1Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
1Cr 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.



How can we be under the law when salvation is based on forgiveness of sin?
Thus the scriptures teach that we're not under the law.

Better put. We are not under the comdenation of the law, and that is because we have redemption, salvation in Christ. The point being made does not negates that, that is that the law remains and can not and will not be remove or Christ is a liar Matt.5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Has heaven or earth passed away? If Jesus is not saying it satan is!!!

 

[Frogster]

Better put. We are not under the comdenation of the law, and that is because we have redemption, salvation in Christ. The point being made does not negates that, that is that the law remains and can not and will not be remove or Christ is a liar Matt.5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Has heaven or earth passed away? If Jesus is not saying it satan is!!!

Keep in mind,He fulfilled it at the cross.Also the law and the prophets means the OT,and commands can also mean more than the Mosaic law.

See, these verse,they show that the law,can also be the OT,with other things too.

John 10;34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?

John 15;25 But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: ‘They hated me without a cause.’

1 cor 15;21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.”

You have to think beyond Moses.

 

[Yarddog]

Isn't it strange that we have scripture but people still eat the apple.

 

[bugkiller]

Now that's not fair. I've said the same thing there, in so many words, and it was called commentary and unscriptural. You guys kill me.

I remember calling your commentary a philosophy. I don't think your saying I am wrong would be anything more than saying I am unscriptural in viewpoint. I think them that bark are usually th guilty. maybe you are barking cause you have been bitten.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Whatever froggy.

You quoted 1 Cor 15:56. I don't disagree with what Paul is saying whatsoever. I like to avoid being redundant, thus after the scripture is presented, I like to try to understand what it is saying. Get my drift. Quoting scripture won't do a thing for you if you don't understand what it is saying, thus the illustrations are presented.

Christ explained scripture with illustrations. But I guess that's where we always part ways. Trying to actually understand what is being said versus what has been taught the scripture is saying.

Think it might be time for me to peace out again before your backup arrives and spoils this moment

De troops have arrived, ifin ya be a talkin' 'bout me. And thanks for the honor. Yep I am a little vain like everybody else.

I have now witnessed another rare event stryder used a scripture reference and like most preachers I can not for the life of me connect it to any thing he says.

I don't have a problem with illustrations,, but when that is all I see it is nothing more than a disconnected philosophy. I post scripture so you can see what I am talking about. I don't want you guessing. I don't just say your wrong and present something else. I try to address what you say and show why I think different. Rare as it is, I have also been known to agree with even you.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Now that's not fair. I've said the same thing there, in so many words, and it was called commentary and unscriptural. You guys kill me.

Where is this? You push the law. So tell us where this is, not about it. I don't have time to run down a defense for you.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but proof texting is defined as the practice of using decontextualised quotations from a document (often, but not always, a book of the Bible) to establish a proposition.

Now if anyone here avoids considering context when they use scripture...

But again, it's whatever. And technically I can throw the whole book at you. Last time I checked, I reference both the OT and NT when discussing this subject, while you remain locked in the letters of Paul.

My weekend was fine. And I will only say this once. My tag on this forum is Stryder. If you think we're bros, than I'd appreciate it if you respected that and not prefix it with "scriptureless" as I've done no such thing to you.

Here is your most favorite proof text John 14:15 If you love Me keep My commandments.

When given a rebuttal and asked for dialouge you fly de coup.

Why don't you like Paul?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Better put. We are not under the comdenation of the law, and that is because we have redemption, salvation in Christ. The point being made does not negates that, that is that the law remains and can not and will not be remove or Christ is a liar Matt.5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Has heaven or earth passed away? If Jesus is not saying it satan is!!!

And my favorite response again to you for these two verses you continue to use out of context is Luke 24:44.

And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concderning Me.

This limits specifically what Mat 5:17, 18 refer to.

Hebrews 7:12 also tells us there is made of necessity a change of the law

You are also skipping over Mat 26:28 where Jesus says This is My blood of the new testament.

Sure we are not under the condemnation of the law (Rom 8:1,2). It has no authority over us, so why do you condemn us for not keeping the Sabbath. The law doesn't by your own admission. No condemnation - no conviction, which means you can not pass sentence and neither can the law.

bugkiller

 

[Elder 111]

Keep in mind,He fulfilled it at the cross.Also the law and the prophets means the OT,and commands can also mean more than the Mosaic law.

See, these verse,they show that the law,can also be the OT,with other things too.

John 10;34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?

John 15;25 But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: ‘They hated me without a cause.’

1 cor 15;21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.”

You have to think beyond Moses.

The point still stands. The will not change!!! It is Jesus that said so!!! Look at paul Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Now tell me if this is correct. Sin unto death is the same as keeping the law for sin is a transgression of the law. Obedience unto righteousness is obedience to what? The law? The spirit? to God's word? Certainly one can not escape the law in this verse. Paul never meant to.

 

[Elder 111]

And my favorite response again to you for these two verses you continue to use out of context is Luke 24:44.

And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concderning Me.

This limits specifically what Mat 5:17, 18 refer to.

Hebrews 7:12 also tells us there is made of necessity a change of the law

You are also skipping over Mat 26:28 where Jesus says This is My blood of the new testament.

Sure we are not under the condemnation of the law (Rom 8:1,2). It has no authority over us, so why do you condemn us for not keeping the Sabbath. The law doesn't by your own admission. No condemnation - no conviction, which means you can not pass sentence and neither can the law.

bugkiller

The truth will come out. I never mentioned the Sabbath. That is the problem with the law for all who say it is abolished. Keep 9. Your Hew 7:12 Has nothing to do with the commandments but with the priesthood of which it says that christ is our High preist of the tribe of Judah and not Levi as the law stated.

 

[visionary]

The point still stands. The will not change!!! It is Jesus that said so!!! Look at paul Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Now tell me if this is correct. Sin unto death is the same as keeping the law for sin is a transgression of the law. Obedience unto righteousness is obedience to what? The law? The spirit? to God's word? Certainly one can not escape the law in this verse. Paul never meant to.

That is true.. Not "I" but Christ in me is fulfilling the Law, by His grace and His Spirit...