The Ten Commandments stands for ever.

[Elder 111]

So you think it is about winning the argument. No wonder your blood pressure is affected. I encourage you to try full grace and forget obligation, which you can not fully comply with. It will always leave you hungry. I used to to do the works thing and it never worked. Grace and liberty are wonderful. No it is not a license to sin Gal 5.

bugkiler

Buddy you can't sin if there is no law. Did you ever consider also that we do not need Christ. He died for our sins. Which is due the breaking the law. But no law no breaking no sin no need of Christ. Is that not marvelous?

 

[Elder 111]

Jesus was under the law of Moses. We are not! Romans 6:14, 15. As the SDA folks say the dead no nothing. The law has nothing to do with a dead man. This is signified in the rite of baptism Also in Roman 6. In Roman 7 the law is a dead husband. We commonly burry them. Gal 4:30 says to throw the law.

Jesus testified that the new covenant (new deal form God) is in force Mat 26:28 This is My blood of the new testament.

bugkiller

So Jesus, who is God was subject to the law but we who are subject to Jesus is above the law?

 

[Elder 111]

Poor folks. What I get as a free gift is way mo betta than any wages I could ever hope to collect. They really think they can do better than the righteousness of God, WOW!! giggle, giggle ROFLOL!!!

bugkiller

Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Romans 7:12
Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; [for] he [is] holy. Ps. 99:5
Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who] hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside me. Isa. 45:21
Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. 3 John 1:11
Seems like the commandments have something in common with God. What do we say then is the law sin? What is bad about keeping the ten Commandments? Am I a legallist because I do not steal? Wow!!

 

[Elder 111]

One of the main problems in churches who do not technically push the law are regularly practicing necrophilia. That is they are in bed with the law while claiming to be married to another (Christ) Rom 7. They unwittingly underhandedly endorse obligation and can only support that with the OC law. They do it in every service. If you were to ask them about this, they would go what? Yep they are also lacking. WOFers are very good at it. I grew up in the church that is largely responsible for this, uh , well stuff. You get my drift? They preach performance (nothing more than works - just different approach) for maintenance of salvation. They are sly for sure.

It is just like you use John 14:15. It really is a demand for obligation to the law - works based salvation. You say I am not saved by works and say I am not saved if I don't have those demanded works. So really it is not love at all on either parties part.

Which church does not do this? I sure would like to know.

I asked God about it and the Holy Spirit immediately responded with "It is not your covenant." Yep that's a quote of the Holy Spirit.

That is part of the reason I am big on Jere 31:31 -33 and Heb 8:8 -13. Since then I found out that my income did not relate to my giving. I have made as much as $5 a minute since then. And that was after some one else skimed the cream of the top. I still give when I am inspired to give. And sometimes in big chunks.

Yes sir I used to be confused and deceived about the works thing. I still sometimes struggle with it.

bugkiller

It is not works it is a demontration of love. Jesus died is that works or love? If you do some thing for Jesus why should it be works? If you love me keep my commandments!!! Who would be correct? you or Jesus?

 

[bugkiller]

Buddy you can't sin if there is no law. Did you ever consider also that we do not need Christ. He died for our sins. Which is due the breaking the law. But no law no breaking no sin no need of Christ. Is that not marvelous?

Me thinketh yo needeth to readeth Galatians 5, I John 1 and 2, Romans 12:1 as a minimum.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

It is not works it is a demontration of love. Jesus died is that works or love? If you do some thing for Jesus why should it be works? If you love me keep my commandments!!! Who would be correct? you or Jesus?

My guess is that it depends on what you mean by your quote of John 14:15. I respond with John 15:10. If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love. This demonstrates that it is not the ten commandments or the law of Moses which you promote with your misunderstanding or the purposeful twisting of John 14:15 with the intent of deception. Which is is it?

My Commandments and My Father's commandments can not possibly be the same item. My denotes ownership. Who issued the ten commandments? Jesus God the Son or God the Father? I present Exodus 33:20 as evidence that it was and can not be Jesus. And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Your evidence that it was please. We also know that Jesus kept the ten commandments. We know from John 15:10 that My commandments are not the ten commandments if Jesus kept His Father's commandments.

So tell me is it required to prove you love God by keeping the ten commandments? The anti-thesis is that you hate God if you don't. If this is the case you are directly calling me a non Christian and that I hate God. Of course I am using your definition of commandments here.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

So Jesus, who is God was subject to the law but we who are subject to Jesus is above the law?

Nope. Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Romans 7:12
Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; [for] he [is] holy. Ps. 99:5
Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who] hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside me. Isa. 45:21
Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. 3 John 1:11
Seems like the commandments have something in common with God. What do we say then is the law sin? What is bad about keeping the ten Commandments? Am I a legallist because I do not steal? Wow!!

But you totally ignore the preceeding four verses. here they are: 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Are you even remotely suggesting that I am anomos? Galatians 5:16 -21. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

bugkiller

 

[christianmomof3]

There are more than 10 commandments. There are 613.

Here they are:

1. To know there is a God Ex. 20:2
2. Not to even think that there are other gods besides Him Ex. 20:2
3. To know that He is One Deut. 6:4
4. To love Him Deut. 6:5
5. To fear Him Deut. 10:20
6. To sanctify His Name Lev. 22:32
7. Not to profane His Name Lev. 22:32
8. Not to destroy objects associated with His Name Deut. 12:4
9. To listen to the prophet speaking in His Name Deut. 18:15
10. Not to test the prophet unduly Deut. 6:16
11. To emulate His ways Deut. 28:9
12. To cleave to those who know Him Deut. 10:20
13. To love other Jews Lev. 19:18
14. To love converts Deut. 10:19
15. Not to hate fellow Jews Lev. 19:17
16. To reprove a sinner Lev. 19:17
17. Not to embarrass others Lev. 19:17
18. Not to oppress the weak Ex. 22:21
19. Not to speak derogatorily of others Lev. 19:16
20. Not to take revenge Lev. 19:18
21. Not to bear a grudge Lev. 19:18
22. To learn Torah Deut. 6:7
23. To honor those who teach and know Torah Lev. 19:32
24. Not to inquire into idolatry Lev. 19:4
25. Not to follow the whims of your heart or what your eyes see Num. 15:39
26. Not to blaspheme Ex. 22:27
27. Not to worship idols in the manner they are worshiped Ex. 20:5
28. Not to worship idols in the four ways we worship God Ex. 20:5
29. Not to make an idol for yourself Ex. 20:4
30. Not to make an idol for others Lev. 19:4
31. Not to make human forms even for decorative purposes Ex. 20:20 Editing needed: Exodus 20:20 does not mention anything related to this
32. Not to turn a city to idolatry Deut. 13:14
33. To burn a city that has turned to idol worship Deut. 13:17
34. Not to rebuild it as a city Deut. 13:17
35. Not to derive benefit from it Deut. 13:18
36. Not to missionize an individual to idol worship Deut. 13:12
37. Not to love the idolater Deut. 13:9
38. Not to cease hating the idolater Deut. 13:9
39. Not to save the idolater Deut. 13:9
40. Not to say anything in the idolater's defense Deut. 13:9
41. Not to refrain from incriminating the idolater Deut. 13:9
42. Not to prophesize in the name of idolatry Deut. 13:14
43. Not to listen to a false prophet Deut. 13:4
44. Not to prophesize falsely in the name of God Deut. 18:20
45. Not to be afraid of killing the false prophet Deut. 18:22
46. Not to swear in the name of an idol Ex. 23:13
47. Not to perform ov (medium) Lev. 19:31
48. Not to perform yidoni ("magical seer") Lev. 19:31
49. Not to pass your children through the fire to Molech Lev. 18:21
50. Not to erect a pillar in a public place of worship Deut. 16:22

continued in next posts

 

[christianmomof3]

These are numbers 51 to 100 - for some reason it is changing the numbers

1. Not to bow down before a smooth stone Lev. 26:1
2. Not to plant a tree in the Temple courtyard Deut. 16:21
3. To destroy idols and their accessories Deut. 12:2
4. Not to derive benefit from idols and their accessories Deut. 7:26
5. Not to derive benefit from ornaments of idols Deut. 7:25
6. Not to make a covenant with idolaters Deut. 7:2
7. Not to show favor to them Deut. 7:2
8. Not to let them dwell in the Land of Israel Ex. 23:33
9. Not to imitate them in customs and clothing Lev. 20:23
10. Not to be superstitious Lev. 19:26
11. Not to go into a trance to foresee events, etc. Deut. 18:10
12. Not to engage in astrology Lev. 19:26
13. Not to mutter incantations Deut. 18:11
14. Not to attempt to contact the dead Deut. 18:11
15. Not to consult the ov Deut. 18:11
16. Not to consult the yidoni Deut. 18:11
17. Not to perform acts of magic Deut. 18:10
18. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head Lev. 19:27
19. Men must not shave their beards with a razor Lev. 19:27
20. Men must not wear women's clothing Deut. 22:5
21. Women must not wear men's clothing Deut. 22:5
22. Not to tattoo the skin Lev. 19:28
23. Not to tear the skin in mourning Deut. 14:1
24. Not to make a bald spot in mourning Deut. 14:1
25. To repent and confess wrongdoings Num. 5:7
26. To say the Shema twice daily Deut. 6:7
27. To serve the Almighty with prayer Ex. 23:25
28. The Kohanim must bless the Jewish nation daily Num. 6:23
29. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head Deut. 6:8
30. To bind tefillin on the arm Deut. 6:8
31. To put a mezuzah on each door post Deut. 6:9
32. Each male must write a Torah scroll Deut. 31:19
33. The king must have a separate Sefer Torah for himself Deut. 17:18
34. To have tzitzit on four-cornered garments Num. 15:38
35. To bless the Almighty after eating Deut. 8:10
36. To circumcise all males on the eighth day after their birth Lev. 12:3
37. To rest on the seventh day Ex. 23:12
38. Not to do prohibited labor on the seventh day Ex. 20:10
39. The court must not inflict punishment on Shabbat Ex. 35:3
40. Not to walk outside the city boundary on Shabbat Ex. 16:29
41. To sanctify the day with Kiddush and Havdalah Ex. 20:8
42. To rest from prohibited labor Lev. 23:32
43. Not to do prohibited labor on Yom Kippur Lev. 23:32
44. To afflict yourself on Yom Kippur Lev. 16:29
45. Not to eat or drink on Yom Kippur Lev. 23:29
46. To rest on the first day of Passover Lev. 23:7
47. Not to do prohibited labor on the first day of Passover Lev. 23:8
48. To rest on the seventh day of Passover Lev. 23:8
49. Not to do prohibited labor on the seventh day of Passover Lev. 23:8
50. To rest on Shavuot Lev. 23:21

 

[christianmomof3]

1. Not to do prohibited labor on Shavuot Lev. 23:21
2. To rest on Rosh Hashanah Lev. 23:24
3. Not to do prohibited labor on Rosh Hashanah Lev. 23:25
4. To rest on Sukkot Lev. 23:35
5. Not to do prohibited labor on Sukkot Lev. 23:35
6. To rest on Shemini Atzeret Lev. 23:36
7. Not to do prohibited labor on Shemini Atzeret Lev. 23:36
8. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nissan Deut. 16:3
9. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nissan Ex. 12:15
10. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover Ex. 13:3
11. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover Ex. 12:20
12. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days Ex. 13:7
13. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days Ex. 12:19
14. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover Ex. 12:18
15. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night Ex. 13:8
16. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) Num. 9:1
17. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot Lev. 23:42
18. To take up a Lulav and Etrog all seven days Lev. 23:40
19. Each man must give a half shekel annually Ex. 30:13
20. Courts must calculate to determine when a new month begins Ex. 12:2
21. To afflict oneself and cry out before God in times of calamity Num. 10:9
22. To marry a wife by means of ketubah and kiddushin Deut. 22:13
23. Not to have sexual relations with women not thus married Deut. 23:18
24. Not to withhold food, clothing, and sexual relations from your wife Ex. 21:10
25. To have children with one's wife Gen. 1:28
26. To issue a divorce by means of a Get document Deut. 24:1
27. A man must not remarry his ex-wife after she has married someone else Deut. 24:4
28. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) Deut. 25:5
29. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) Deut. 25:9
30. The widow must not remarry until the ties with her brother-in-law are removed (by halizah) Deut. 25:5
31. The court must fine one who sexually seduces a maiden Ex. 22:15-16
32. The rapist must marry the maiden Deut. 22:29
33. He is never allowed to divorce her Deut. 22:29
34. The slanderer must remain married to his wife Deut. 22:19
35. He must not divorce her Deut. 22:19
36. To fulfill the laws of the Sotah Num. 5:30
37. Not to put oil on her meal offering (as usual) Num. 5:15
38. Not to put frankincense on her meal offering (as usual) Num. 5:15
39. Not to have sexual relations with your mother Lev. 18:7
40. Not to have sexual relations with your father's wife Lev. 18:8
41. Not to have sexual relations with your sister Lev. 18:9
42. Not to have sexual relations with your father's wife's daughter Lev. 18:11
43. Not to have sexual relations with your son's daughter Lev. 18:10
44. Not to have sexual relations with your daughter Lev. 18:10
45. Not to have sexual relations with your daughter's daughter Lev. 18:10
46. Not to have sexual relations with a woman and her daughter Lev. 18:17
47. Not to have sexual relations with a woman and her son's daughter Lev. 18:17
48. Not to have sexual relations with a woman and her daughter's daughter Lev. 18:17
49. Not to have sexual relations with your father's sister Lev. 18:12
50. Not to have sexual relations with your mother's sister Lev. 18:13

 

[christianmomof3]

1. Not to have sexual relations with your father's brother's wife Lev. 18:14
2. Not to have sexual relations with your son's wife Lev. 18:15
3. Not to have sexual relations with your brother's wife Lev. 18:16
4. Not to have sexual relations with your wife's sister Lev. 18:18
5. A man must not have sexual relations with an animal Lev. 18:23
6. A woman must not have sexual relations with an animal Lev. 18:23
7. For men not to use sex to gain 'ownership' over other menLev. 18:22
8. Not to have sexual relations with your father Lev. 18:7
9. Not to have sexual relations with your father's brother Lev. 18:14
10. Not to have sexual relations with someone else's wife Lev. 18:20
11. Not to have sexual relations with a menstrually impure woman Lev. 18:19
12. Not to marry non-Jews Deut. 7:3
13. Not to let Moabite and Ammonite males marry into the Jewish people Deut. 23:4
14. Not to prevent a third-generation Egyptian convert from marrying into the Jewish people Deut. 23:8-9
15. Not to refrain from marrying a third generation Edomite convert Deut. 23:8-9
16. Not to let a mamzer (a child born due to an illegal relationship) marry into the Jewish people Deut. 23:3
17. Not to let a eunuch marry into the Jewish people Deut. 23:2
18. Not to offer to God any castrated male animals Lev. 22:24
19. The High Priest must not marry a widow Lev. 21:14
20. The High Priest must not have sexual relations with a widow even outside of marriage Lev. 21:15
21. The High Priest must marry a virgin maiden Lev. 21:13
22. A Kohen (priest) must not marry a divorcee Lev. 21:7
23. A Kohen must not marry a zonah (a woman who has had a forbidden sexual relationship) Lev. 21:7
24. A Kohen must not marry a chalalah ("a desecrated person") (party to or product of 169-172) Lev. 21:7
25. Not to make pleasurable (sexual) contact with any forbidden woman Lev. 18:6
26. To examine the signs of animals to distinguish between kosher and non-kosher Lev. 11:2
27. To examine the signs of fowl to distinguish between kosher and non-kosher Deut. 14:11
28. To examine the signs of fish to distinguish between kosher and non-kosher Lev. 11:9
29. To examine the signs of locusts to distinguish between kosher and non-kosher Lev. 11:21
30. Not to eat non-kosher animals Lev. 11:4
31. Not to eat non-kosher fowl Lev. 11:13
32. Not to eat non-kosher fish Lev. 11:11
33. Not to eat non-kosher flying insects Deut. 14:19
34. Not to eat non-kosher creatures that crawl on land Lev. 11:41
35. Not to eat non-kosher maggots Lev. 11:44
36. Not to eat worms found in fruit on the ground Lev. 11:42
37. Not to eat creatures that live in water other than (kosher) fish Lev. 11:43
38. Not to eat the meat of an animal that died without ritual slaughter Deut. 14:21
39. Not to benefit from an ox condemned to be stoned Ex. 21:28
40. Not to eat meat of an animal that was mortally wounded Ex. 22:30
41. Not to eat a limb torn off a living creature Deut. 12:23
42. Not to eat blood Lev. 3:17
43. Not to eat certain fats of clean animals Lev. 3:17
44. Not to eat the sinew of the thigh Gen. 32:33
45. Not to eat mixtures of milk and meat cooked together Ex. 23:19
46. Not to cook meat and milk together Ex. 34:26
47. Not to eat bread from new grain before the Omer Lev. 23:14
48. Not to eat parched grains from new grain before the Omer Lev. 23:14
49. Not to eat ripened grains from new grain before the Omer Lev. 23:14
50. Not to eat fruit of a tree during its first three years Lev. 19:23

and the rest are listed here
613 Mitzvot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[christianmomof3]

Why insist on only keeping 10 commandments?
Why will only those 10 stand forever?
Where does it say that those 10 will stand forever but the other 603 don't?

 

[bugkiller]

Why insist on only keeping 10 commandments?
Why will only those 10 stand forever?
Where does it say that those 10 will stand forever but the other 603 don't?

Great work christianmomof3! They pick and choose which one they will keep. And while they are busy saying how they keep them they are violating them every week and wilfully too.

and g'nite folks.

bugkiller

 

[Elder 111]

My guess is that it depends on what you mean by your quote of John 14:15. I respond with John 15:10. If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love. This demonstrates that it is not the ten commandments or the law of Moses which you promote with your misunderstanding or the purposeful twisting of John 14:15 with the intent of deception. Which is is it?

My Commandments and My Father's commandments can not possibly be the same item. My denotes ownership. Who issued the ten commandments? Jesus God the Son or God the Father? I present Exodus 33:20 as evidence that it was and can not be Jesus. And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Your evidence that it was please. We also know that Jesus kept the ten commandments. We know from John 15:10 that My commandments are not the ten commandments if Jesus kept His Father's commandments.

So tell me is it required to prove you love God by keeping the ten commandments? The anti-thesis is that you hate God if you don't. If this is the case you are directly calling me a non Christian and that I hate God. Of course I am using your definition of commandments here.

bugkiller

I got news for you, it is not my definition. Prov. 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
What do you think the word of God says here.
O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! Deut.5:29
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[wayseer]

Why insist on only keeping 10 commandments?
Why will only those 10 stand forever?
Where does it say that those 10 will stand forever but the other 603 don't?

I guess you would like to see your neighbour's 14 year old daughter bought out in front of the whole street and stoned to death because she had sex.

You could bring back slavery, but you would have to buy your slaves from over the boarder to remain within the law.

And when you burn you bull which you have sacrificed be sure you know which way the wind is blowing - you neighbours may not appreciate the stench.

I don't know the going price if you want to sell your daughter into slavery. Maybe you have to contact a broker for this sort of transactions these days.

Oh, if your neighbour insists on working on the Sabbath you know you can legally put him to death. Good luck with that one.

I hope your husband does not trim his hair - you know the penalty - death.

Oh, you do have the milk products in a separate fridge to the meat products.

And you know about not wearing garments made of two different fibers.

Should I mention the laws associated with menstruating females?

 

[Stryder06]

Why insist on only keeping 10 commandments?
Why will only those 10 stand forever?
Where does it say that those 10 will stand forever but the other 603 don't?

Not that I'm trying to get back into this discussion, but to clarify,

I think that the focus usually remains on the 10 (specifically the 4th) because most don't have any problem accepting that it is still immoral to commit incest or things of that nature. Most of those laws were also cultural, tailored to the Israelites and their way of living. Other laws dealt with the priesthood and all associated activities.

So in other words, the ten are the ones most discussed because the ten include the sabbath commandment which has become a point of contention among christians.

 

[Frogster]

Great work christianmomof3! They pick and choose which one they will keep. And while they are busy saying how they keep them they are violating them every week and wilfully too.

and g'nite folks.

bugkiller

yes,self justification people tend to pick and choose!

 

[Frogster]

Not that I'm trying to get back into this discussion, but to clarify,

I think that the focus usually remains on the 10 (specifically the 4th) because most don't have any problem accepting that it is still immoral to commit incest or things of that nature. Most of those laws were also cultural, tailored to the Israelites and their way of living. Other laws dealt with the priesthood and all associated activities.

So in other words, the ten are the ones most discussed because the ten include the sabbath commandment which has become a point of contention among christians.

Good morning Ricardo.

I have a suggested reading,from the book of the month club.For some reason,I don't think it is your favorite.

2 CORINTHIANS 3:
7 Now if the ministry of death, chiselled in letters on stone tablets,came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’ face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside

11for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent come in glory!

What was written on stone?

What was set aside?

 

[Frogster]

Why insist on only keeping 10 commandments?
Why will only those 10 stand forever?
Where does it say that those 10 will stand forever but the other 603 don't?

Good job.