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THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE THE TEN CODES THAT WILL TEST EVERY RELIGION

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Right. Take another look at what you wrote. Who’s love is it?

Why do you think they are not burdensome?
It’s how we show love to God when we obey. We obey out of our love not because its burdensome, like the second covenant tells us His laws written in our hearts and minds- we obey because of our love and through our actions.

By the way Happy Sabbath- hope you have a blessed day.
 
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Right. Take another look at what you wrote. Who’s love is it?

Why do you think they are not burdensome?

It is not burdensome to love God and love others. What makes it seem burdensome is the love of the world. If you're invested in this world and not in heaven, you will love this world and despise the law of God and you won't obey it; it will be a burden to you—an inconvenience that takes you from your worldly pursuits. God wants us to come to obedience by choice. In letting go of the world, it is not burdensome, it is a joy.

Matthew 11:29-30 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
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It’s how we show love to God when we obey. We obey out of our love not because its burdensome, like the second covenant tells us His laws written in our hearts and minds- we obey because of our love and through our actions.

By the way Happy Sabbath- hope you have a blessed day.
Ok, but I think you maybe didn’t see that passage again? Who’s love is John saying it is?
 
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It is not burdensome to love God and love others. What makes it seem burdensome is the love of the world. If you're invested in this world and not in heaven, you will love this world and despise the law of God and you won't obey it; it will be a burden to you—an inconvenience that takes you from your worldly pursuits. God wants us to come to obedience by choice. In letting go of the world, it is not burdensome, it is a joy.

Matthew 11:29-30 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Sabbath blessings to you!
Right, it’s His yoke, that is why it’s not burdensome. :)

The old way was burdensome because the people made it so. Not because of the world, but because of their own desire - namely the desire to rule over others.

The people of that day were under a burden imposed on them by their rulers.

Jesus’ burden is very light. Mans burden is heavy. I choose Jesus yoke.
 
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Ok, but I think you maybe didn’t see that passage again? Who’s love is John saying it is?
I’m pretty sure I read it correctly. It’s the love of God when we obey Him by keeping (something we are supposed to do) His commandments. It’s not something God does for us, it a choice we make, the free will God gave us because He loves us so much and He wants us to obey because we choose to. We can think we love Him, but if our actions do not show our love to Him, by turning away from sin, than is that really true love?

I’m not going to debate this further, the scriptures we have are very clear, but because of the free will God gave us, you can believe however you wish and you are entitled to that.

God bless.
 
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I’m pretty sure I read it correctly. It’s the love of God when we obey Him by keeping (something we are supposed to do) His commandments. It’s not something God does for us, it a choice we make, the free will God gave us because He loves us so much and He wants us to obey because we choose to. We can think we love Him, but if our actions do not show our love to Him, by turning away from sin, than is that really true love?
Yes, it is His love.

His love enables us. It leads us. Without it we are helpless.

We know if we love Him. He knows we love Him. Our actions show others we love Him.

We can easily fool ourselves into thinking we love God - when really all we love is our idea of Him. People have worshiped the creation instead of the Creator for a very long time.
 
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It is the old ministration that is done away with.
We are the new ministration. Ministers of the New, having the Laws of God, His Commandments, His Word through Christ in our hearts and minds. No longer on tables of stone for an outward observance, but on the fleshly tables of the heart. Now we obey God not because we have to but because we want to. For we are a new creation in Christ Jesus, behold all things are new and of God. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.
Not just the ministration of the old covenant, but the actual covenant itself given at Horeb.

Jesus fulfilled that covenant. :)

We are the new ministration of the new covenant.
Never said anything different.
However in respect to the Law Jesus had something different to add in Matt 5:17. He said he came not to destroy it. The Greek word translated to destroy in the KJV actually means loosen down. In other words he did not come to lesson it or mind you loosen any responsibility we have to it.

The word translated fulfill is a pretty interesting word in the Greek also. Bauer thought so much that he actually had an entry for it specific to Matt 5:17 here is the excerpt from the BDAG.

From the BDAG "Mt 5:17; depending on how one prefers to interpret the context, πληρόω is understood here either as fulfill=do, carry out, or as bring to full expression=show it forth in its true mng., or as fill up=complete"

It seems he was afraid to commit. However it matters not. It is not one understanding or the other. Put it all together, Jesus came do the Law, show forth it's full expression by completing it.

Thayer in his lexicon was bit more direct. He said, "universally and absolutely, to fulfil, i.e. "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment": Mat 5:17"

Considering the Law, the Word through Christ is to be in our hearts and minds; "to fulfil, i.e. "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" is definitely the best understanding in respect to the passage in it's entirety. It is true many of the prophecies prophesied by the prophets were completed, brought to fulfilment, fulfilled. But Jesus had something entirely different to say about the Law within the passage. He said, "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

As we know heaven and earth have not passed away. And since Jesus has not returned and some of the prophecies are still yet fulfilled all has not been fulfilled yet either. Incidentally in case you did not know the word fulfilled in that verse is a different Greek word. It means cause to be.

If that is not enough Jesus has even more to add in respect to the the law not being loosened down. He narrows it down by using the word commandments in respect to the Law. And He says the one who breaks and teaches men to break the least of these commandments shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven.
To be called least in the Kingdoms of Heaven? I wonder what that means? No worries, Jesus elaborates. He starts the very next verse with the word "for". It says they who break the commandments and teach men so shall no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Sadly some say the Law has been done away with. Yet the very Covenant in which we stand in Now, the New Covenant says the the Law is in our hearts.

Like was said in the post to which you responded to. The ministration changed. It went from being on tables of stone and parchment to fleshly tables of our hearts.

Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Matthew 9:16-17 (ESV) No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch tears away from the garment, and a worse tear is made. Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved.”
We are the new wine skins made anew by the blood of Jesus. The wine is the Spirit, Christ whereby the commandments, God's Law, His Word is in our heart, minds and mouths. We needed to be cleansed, purged to be filled or we would have been destroyed. We would have burst as Jesus put it.

Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
 
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Never said anything different.
However in respect to the Law Jesus had something different to add in Matt 5:17. He said he came not to destroy it. The Greek word translated to destroy in the KJV actually means loosen down. In other words he did not come to lesson it or mind you loosen any responsibility we have to it.

The word translated fulfill is a pretty interesting word in the Greek also. Bauer thought so much that he actually had an entry for it specific to Matt 5:17 here is the excerpt from the BDAG.

From the BDAG "Mt 5:17; depending on how one prefers to interpret the context, πληρόω is understood here either as fulfill=do, carry out, or as bring to full expression=show it forth in its true mng., or as fill up=complete"

It seems he was afraid to commit. However it matters not. It is not one understanding or the other. Put it all together, Jesus came do the Law, show forth it's full expression by completing it.

Thayer in his lexicon was bit more direct. He said, "universally and absolutely, to fulfil, i.e. "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment": Mat 5:17"

Considering the Law, the Word through Christ is to be in our hearts and minds; "to fulfil, i.e. "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" is definitely the best understanding in respect to the passage in it's entirety. It is true many of the prophecies prophesied by the prophets were completed, brought to fulfilment, fulfilled. But Jesus had something entirely different to say about the Law within the passage. He said, "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

As we know heaven and earth have not passed away. And since Jesus has not returned and some of the prophecies are still yet fulfilled all has not been fulfilled yet either. Incidentally in case you did not know the word fulfilled in that verse is a different Greek word. It means cause to be.

If that is not enough Jesus has even more to add in respect to the the law not being loosened down. He narrows it down by using the word commandments in respect to the Law. And He says the one who breaks and teaches men to break the least of these commandments shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven.
To be called least in the Kingdoms of Heaven? I wonder what that means? No worries, Jesus elaborates. He starts the very next verse with the word "for". It says they who break the commandments and teach men so shall no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Sadly some say the Law has been done away with. Yet the very Covenant in which we stand in Now, the New Covenant says the the Law is in our hearts.

Like was said in the post to which you responded to. The ministration changed. It went from being on tables of stone and parchment to fleshly tables of our hearts.

Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


We are the new wine skins made anew by the blood of Jesus. The wine is the Spirit, Christ whereby the commandments, God's Law, His Word is in our heart, minds and mouths. We needed to be cleansed, purged to be filled or we would have been destroyed. We would have burst as Jesus put it.

Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

Of course the law has not been done away with, but it has been fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled all of it - perfectly - the only One to have ever done so.

What is it you believe Jesus did not fulfill according to the law?

What part of the law do you believe Jesus did not do?

Why did Jesus not do it?
 
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