THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE THE TEN CODES THAT WILL TEST EVERY RELIGION

[HIM]

The law of God is LOVE.

God is Love. The Law of God depends on Love, Him.

 

[misput]

as you say the law of God is love. The tree of good and evil has to contain more than the law of love, for what is the evil that it contains? As you have said any assumption that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the Decalogue is not scriptural.

There is no evil in the law, the evil is in us. This is what the law reveals to us. It also reveals that we cannot obtain salvation living by it. Only when faith in God enters in is there any hope.

 

[misput]

Paul likened the law to a tutor whose purpose was to bring us to Christ so that we could be justified by faith. It's no coincidence then, that the law and prophets hang on love, and the new commandment under the new priesthood of Christ also hangs on love (being a new priest after the order of Melchizedek)

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians 3:23-25

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:37-40

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 13:34

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Hebrews 7:11-12

Hebrews 7:11-12 is not speaking to a basic change of the law but too a change of the ministry and priesthood of Moses and Aaron too Christ.

 

[disciple Clint]

There is no evil in the law, the evil is in us. This is what the law reveals to us. It also reveals that we cannot obtain salvation living by it. Only when faith in God enters in is there any hope.

I did not say there was any evil in the law. I made reference to the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, since God named it that, I am going to assume it has what He said it has.

 

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[misput]

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[tampasteve]

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[Nathan@work]

Adam and Eve had free will, or they wouldn't have chosen to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. To even understand why they shouldn't eat of the tree, they had to have the knowledge of what disobedience of God is. If God's law is eternal (God doesn't change, Jesus doesn't change), then that means God's law has always been and always will be.

The Ten Commandments are genius, in that they specifically condemn the actions of sinful man completely. The language (do not steal, do not murder, do not commit adultery) was not necessary for sinless Adam and Eve, because those things had not manifested themselves yet. However the core of what God's law is had to have been known in its full scope. Love.

The law of God hasn't changed, it's eternal. It has always been love. The Ten Commandments are God's way of bringing sinful man to recognize the totality of His law, in language that is specifically applicable to fallen man.

The statement that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the Ten Commandments is a true statement, minus the condemning language meant only for sinful man. It has always been the same law of love, but it had to be presented in such a way as to maximize its potential for a world of sin.

Those are my thoughts. Is it scriptural? I think you can come away with a good picture from scripture to make these reasonable conclusions.

Angels of heaven obey the law of God out of free will. Some didn't and they fell. This shows us that they are well aware of the law of God; they understand completely the love of God's holy law, where fallen man has to be guided to these conclusions.

Side note: Imagine the sadness and horror of the angels, watching six thousand years of earth's history of evil and depravity from a place of complete and utter love. I imagine it breaks their hearts. It should break our hearts too.

[Deu 5:1-3 ESV] And Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.

Obedience to the law does not produce love. If this were so, then no people before the nation of Israel could have ever loved God - not even Adam and Eve.

God is love. God loves us and yet He is not subject to obeying anyone else's law.

God's law is eternal - it is Christ. God's law is not words written on stone, or penned in the pages of a Bible. God's law is His spoken word - the very breath of Life.

The words written in stone, written on parchment, and eventually in the pages of the Bible all point us to the Author of Life - they do not contain life.

 

[misput]

You are in the thread's new location The move moves the thread to the new forum.

That helps, thanks.

 

[Jaxxi]

TAKE TO HEART THE FOLLOWING VERSES
Num. 23:19 - “God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good"?
Mal. 3:6 - "For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed".
1Cor. 14:33 - "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints".
Rom. 7:1 - "Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth"?
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It has been established by all that God Most High is the Maker of the universe. He rules in the affairs of men. "For thus says the LORD, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “I am the LORD, and there is no other" - Isaiah 45:18, forever but the first Adam was a liar, murderer, covetous (greedy), disobedient, spiritual adultery among others.

The law of God was applied and Adam and his wife were found guilty and wanting hence their banishment from the Garden of God, Eden. Knowing very well that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the Ten Commandments. The statement "thou shall not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was the "Decalogue".

The moment Adam and Eve ate the said fruit, they became liars, murderers, covetous (greedy), disobedient, spiritual adultery, and finally broke the friendship and the marriage they had with God their Father. "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin". - Romans 7:14

God Almighty signed an agreement with Abraham and declared all his intentions. Psalm 105:8-10. Read as followed: " 8 He hath remembered his covenant forever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. 9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; 10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:".

God through Moses told the people what his covenant is all about. "And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone". - Deuteronomy 4:13

Paul, the Apostle of Jesus Christ wrote to testify: Romans 7:12-14. Read as follows: "12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin".

What law did Paul serve? "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind, I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."- Romans 7:25

The Psalmist also weeps: "Rivers of waters run down my eyes because they keep not thy law." - Psalm 119:136

The Psalmist wrote about the nature of God's law: Psalms 19:7-8
"7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes".

Prophet Isaiah wrote about how we treat the law of God. "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant". - Isaiah 24:5

Daniel the Prophet also prayed because the people did not keep the covenant: Daniel 9:4-5 Read as followed "4 And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; 5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:"

John wrote: "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous". - 1 John 5:3

James wrote about how the judgment will go: James 2:10-12. Read as followed: 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

CONCLUSION
John the Revelator tells us which people will be in Heaven: Revelation 22:14-16
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

So what is the question?

 

[Psalm 27]

‘The Law of The Lord is perfect, converting the soul’ psalm 19

In the anointed version-NKJV

 

[chad kincham]

TAKE TO HEART THE FOLLOWING VERSES
Num. 23:19 - “God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good"?
Mal. 3:6 - "For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed".
1Cor. 14:33 - "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints".
Rom. 7:1 - "Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth"?
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It has been established by all that God Most High is the Maker of the universe. He rules in the affairs of men. "For thus says the LORD, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “I am the LORD, and there is no other" - Isaiah 45:18, forever but the first Adam was a liar, murderer, covetous (greedy), disobedient, spiritual adultery among others.

The law of God was applied and Adam and his wife were found guilty and wanting hence their banishment from the Garden of God, Eden. Knowing very well that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the Ten Commandments. The statement "thou shall not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was the "Decalogue".

The moment Adam and Eve ate the said fruit, they became liars, murderers, covetous (greedy), disobedient, spiritual adultery, and finally broke the friendship and the marriage they had with God their Father. "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin". - Romans 7:14

God Almighty signed an agreement with Abraham and declared all his intentions. Psalm 105:8-10. Read as followed: " 8 He hath remembered his covenant forever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. 9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; 10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:".

God through Moses told the people what his covenant is all about. "And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone". - Deuteronomy 4:13

Paul, the Apostle of Jesus Christ wrote to testify: Romans 7:12-14. Read as follows: "12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin".

What law did Paul serve? "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind, I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."- Romans 7:25

The Psalmist also weeps: "Rivers of waters run down my eyes because they keep not thy law." - Psalm 119:136

The Psalmist wrote about the nature of God's law: Psalms 19:7-8
"7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes".

Prophet Isaiah wrote about how we treat the law of God. "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant". - Isaiah 24:5

Daniel the Prophet also prayed because the people did not keep the covenant: Daniel 9:4-5 Read as followed "4 And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; 5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:"

John wrote: "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous". - 1 John 5:3

James wrote about how the judgment will go: James 2:10-12. Read as followed: 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

CONCLUSION
John the Revelator tells us which people will be in Heaven: Revelation 22:14-16
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The law of Moses, the ten commands, and the old covenant were deliberately a harsh burden that brought death and condemnation, to contrast with salvation by grace through faith in the new covenant.

The difference between trying to earn righteousness by keeping 613 rules, commands and statutes, versus grace and faith.

2 Corinthians 3, the ten commands are called the letter that kills, the ministration of death, and ministry of condemnation which are contrasted with the spirit which gives life.

Galatians 4:21-31 the covenant given on Mount Sinai is bondage.

Acts 15 Peter calls the law of Moses a yoke of bondage,

 

[Dale]

The prelude to the Ten Commandments explains that God explicitly rescued Israel out of slavery so they could be free and then gave the Ten Commandments as an explanation of how to best live that life of freedom He wanted Adam and Eve to get. (Exodus 20:1-2, Deuteronomy 5:6). Jesus’ own brother, James, understood that the law was about giving freedom (James 1:25).

Ask yourself what is the actual sin Adam and Eve committed? The moment Adam and Eve ate the said fruit, they became liars, murderers, covetous (greedy), disobedient, spiritual adultery, and finally broke the friendship and the marriage they had with God their Father.

1. Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
2. Satan was a liar. When Adam and Even obeyed him, they also became a liar.
3. God told them not to eat from that tree and they ate. They took what they were not supposed to take and that made them become greedy.
4. God told them that the day they will eat they shall die. God foresaw that Adam and Eve were murderers. Their descendants still face the sentence of death. Remember the law says thou shall not kill.
5. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they broke the spiritual friendship with God and that is adultery.
6. When Adam and Eve obeyed stan, spiritually they worshipped him. The law says thou shall not worship anything above, below, or beneath the earth.
IT IS AGAINST THIS BACKGROUND THAT THEY WERE FOUND GUILTY AND WANTING - THEIR SIN WAS NOT PARDONABLE.

When you say “Adam and Eve obeyed stan” I assume you mean that they obeyed Satan.

Windeneda: “spiritually they worshipped him”

I don’t believe this is true. I’m not even sure it is accurate to say that they “obeyed Satan.” It would be better to say that they were tricked, or Eve was tricked and then Adam was sucked in.

Windeneda: “IT IS AGAINST THIS BACKGROUND THAT THEY WERE FOUND GUILTY AND WANTING - THEIR SIN WAS NOT PARDONABLE.”

Are you saying that Adam and Eve are in hell? This isn’t the traditional view. Genesis shows Cain and Abel sacrificing to the Lord and they must have learned this from Adam and Eve. God accepts their worship.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

[Deu 5:1-3 ESV] And Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.

Obedience to the law does not produce love. If this were so, then no people before the nation of Israel could have ever loved God - not even Adam and Eve.

God is love. God loves us and yet He is not subject to obeying anyone else's law.

God's law is eternal - it is Christ. God's law is not words written on stone, or penned in the pages of a Bible. God's law is His spoken word - the very breath of Life.

The words written in stone, written on parchment, and eventually in the pages of the Bible all point us to the Author of Life - they do not contain life.

Obedience to God shows Him our love when we obey His commandments. 1 John 5:3

 

[Danthemailman]

The law of Moses, the ten commands, and the old covenant were deliberately a harsh burden that brought death and condemnation, to contrast with salvation by grace through faith in the new covenant.

The difference between trying to earn righteousness by keeping 613 rules, commands and statutes, versus grace and faith.

2 Corinthians 3, the ten commands are called the letter that kills, the ministration of death, and ministry of condemnation which are contrasted with the spirit which gives life.

Galatians 4:21-31 the covenant given on Mount Sinai is bondage.

Acts 15 Peter calls the law of Moses a yoke of bondage,

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

 

[HIM]

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

It is the old ministration that is done away with.
We are the new ministration. Ministers of the New, having the Laws of God, His Commandments, His Word through Christ in our hearts and minds. No longer on tables of stone for an outward observance, but on the fleshly tables of the heart. Now we obey God not because we have to but because we want to. For we are a new creation in Christ Jesus, behold all things are new and of God. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

 

[Nathan@work]

Obedience to God shows Him our love when we obey His commandments. 1 John 5:3

God knows our love, He lives inside us.

Obedience will happen for the child of God, but even those who do not actually love Him will attempt to obey His commandments.

Obedience is a desire of Gods. It is for our own good also(because we do not actually know good).

Those who turn Gods ‘desire into ‘require’ have not experienced Gods love yet, or they are suppressing it in favor of their own desire.

We love Him because He first loved us - not because He demands it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God knows our love, He lives inside us.

Obedience will happen for the child of God, but even those who do not actually love Him will attempt to obey His commandments.

Obedience is a desire of Gods. It is for our own good also(because we do not actually know good).

Those who turn Gods ‘desire into ‘require’ have not experienced Gods love yet, or they are suppressing it in favor of their own desire.

We love Him because He first loved us - not because He demands it.

Interesting interpretation, but I think its wiser to pay attention to scriptures like this for how it reads. The passage is very easy to understand and no extra interpretation needed. 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

 

[Nathan@work]

It is the old ministration that is done away with.
We are the new ministration. Ministers of the New, having the Laws of God, His Commandments, His Word through Christ in our hearts and minds. No longer on tables of stone for an outward observance, but on the fleshly tables of the heart. Now we obey God not because we have to but because we want to. For we are a new creation in Christ Jesus, behold all things are new and of God. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

Not just the ministration of the old covenant, but the actual covenant itself given at Horeb.

Jesus fulfilled that covenant.

We are the new ministration of the new covenant.

Matthew 9:16-17 (ESV) No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch tears away from the garment, and a worse tear is made. Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved.”

 

[Nathan@work]

Interesting interpretation, but I think its wiser to pay attention to scriptures like this for how it reads. The passage is very easy to understand and no extra interpretation needed. 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Right. Take another look at what you wrote. Who’s love is it?

Why do you think they are not burdensome?