MJ Only The Talmud (rabbinic tradition) vs. The New Testament

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yeshuaslavejeff

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I have read some of the oral traditions, thinking, OK, that's good; then all of a sudden the Rabbi goes of the deep end.
I think a lot of people mistakenly think it is good because it is made to "look good".
Jesus opposed that all the time.
Even continuing to look at what is opposed to Jesus can lead people astray continually, right ? Often it deceives people into "thinking, OK, that's good" when it is actually so evil, from the devil as a source , as Jesus Says.....

I think very few people agree with me and make excuses, or lie.
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how many people agreed with YHVH thousands of years ago ? (few in the world)
How many people agree with Yahshua HaMashiach today ? Few in the world.
How many people lie? Everyone on earth in the world. As it suits them, on a whim.
 
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Lots and lots of things happened that were not recorded. Generally speaking, if it was ordinary, it didn't get recorded. What got written down were the things that were extraordinary. So we can conclude, NOT that David and Solomon didn't consult the Sanhedrin, but rather that the rulings of the Sanhedrin during the days of David and Solomon were relatively non-controversial.
What is recorded is my original point. The book Acts is a record. The judges were for a time period of 450 years. After that the kings were their judges, which another record is seen in 1 kings 12.
Like other nations, there were groups assembled for consultation, an advisory to the king. But the king (as council president) ultimately decided a matter.

1 kings 12:6 And king Rehoboam consulted with the old men, that stood before Solomon his father while he yet lived, and said, How do ye advise that I may answer this people?
1 kings 12:8 But he forsook the counsel of the old men, which they had given him, and consulted with the young men that were grown up with him, and which stood before him:

Which acts refers to the council and all the senate... Senate which term has it root in aged (sene) (according to brittanica)

Ac 5:21 And when they heard that, they entered into the temple early in the morning, and taught. But the high priest came, and they that were with him, and called the council together, and all the senate of the children of Israel, and sent to the prison to have them brought.
 
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What is recorded in YHVH'S WORD , is that Yahshua opposed the traditions of man which opposed TORAH.
I agree. Sectarian teachings were considered traditions, not law. I think that distinction is being over overlooked. What the entire Sanhedrin decided unanimously, ( including other sects, including the priests) was law. But, the apostles were also told to not do as they do.
A distinction between sectarian traditions, and the counsel decisions as a whole is being made there. If all agreed on anything as a counsel, then it was no longer sectarian (or partisan) in nature, as all parties in the counsel did not differ on the subject.
 
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You don't know what is in the Talmud, do you?
Take care what enters you heart.
Be careful what you listen to.
YHVH'S command.

Don't listen to those opposed to Jesus.
It only leads to death, as the enemy comes only to kill, steal and destroy.
 
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The Talmud is basically a bunch of manmade tradition. We don't need it, nor did the Israelites ever need it.

The Messiah taught from the Torah & Prophets & Writings, not the Talmud.
 
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Take care what enters you heart.
Be careful what you listen to.
YHVH'S command.

Don't listen to those opposed to Jesus.
It only leads to death, as the enemy comes only to kill, steal and destroy.
How is this a reply to what he said?
 
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Interesting. Jesus opposed trimming back the hedges far enough so a person on a camel can pass? Why??!!
This statement only applied to those dripping with wealth while people went hungry in the streets -- something the Torah had set up laws to prevent. In agrarian Israel, no individual went hungry, and every fifty years, the wealth was redistributed. In urban Israel, the Rabbis had not adjusted Jewish law.

Remember that modern Judaism is also on the side of the poor, thinking of Tzedakah as Social Justice, and the poor as the oppressed.
 
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Is this thread about showing the differences of opinion, the differences in understanding, or how there are many similarities?
Does Rabbinic Judaism point out any similarities between the Talmud and the New Testament? The ONE FOR ISRAEL Youtube produced by Israeli Messianic Jews is titled: The Talmud (rabbinic tradition) vs. The New Testament


Many of the secular Jewish citizens in Israel are turned off by the ultra legalistic sects of Rabbinic Judaism. Rabbinic Judaism in Israel doesn't have anything good/positive to say about Yeshua the Christian Jesus, only derogatory words and an occasional spitting on the sidewalk in utter disgust.

The Messianic Judaism movement in America is more receptive of the Talmud
 
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If there is a need to exclude the New Testament, then that should be stated.
The Brit HaChadesh (NT) is integral as is an assembly of Messianic Hebrew-speaking Israeli citizens. They're not opposed to being looked upon as Messianic Christians by Israel's Ultra Orthodox Jews. Quite the contrary is the tradition of Rabbinic Judaism that eXcludes the Gospel of the New Testament that Yeshua is Israel's Mashiach. That's not only true in Israel, but the world around with Rabbinic Judaism.
 
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Take care what enters you heart.
Be careful what you listen to.
YHVH'S command.

Don't listen to those opposed to Jesus.
It only leads to death, as the enemy comes only to kill, steal and destroy.

Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you
 
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You don't know what is in the Talmud, do you?

Similar to the written rules, commentaries, decisions made by the Church fathers - Christianity's oral law and halachic decisions :)
 
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Is this thread about showing the differences of opinion, the differences in understanding, or how there are many similarities?
Seriously? There is no mention of Yeshua HaMashiach as Israel's Messiah in the Talmud and no mention of the Talmud in the New Testament.

operates within Israel by Hebrew speaking Messianic Israeli citizens. So, considering Israeli's secular audience (demographic) the Youtube should get more views with the title as is: The Talmud (rabbinic tradition) vs. New Testament than the title being: The New Testament vs. The Talmud
 
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