The Swedish experiment looks like it’s paying off

[Halbhh]

Our missionaries are reporting back that way more ears are open to the gospel in this time. And in areas where they weren't so much open before all this came down. Really this is a good time to shine for Jesus Christ. I spend very little time in the political section of these forums, I'd rather be elsewhere. Plus I have work to do for the pastor etc, so I tend not to argue much here ( I'm easy lol ).

As to dying, I have no fear of death, of death itself that is but I have to say gagging for two weeks to get there isn't too appealing sounding.

Yes, while we may at times do ordinary stuff like helping the needy or trying to better the nation, it's really when we share the gospel that we do the most good!

 

[Halbhh]

I agree and we don't need more children without their parents and grandparents that care for them.
Foster care isn't usually an ideal or even happy life for children especially if they are separated from their siblings.

Perhaps it could be a time coming soon for more Christians to consider adopting.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I am quite aware of that so did you consider my solution that could keep down the spread?

I did that was what I meant is that you cannot always just keep people from picking else the food will rot.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

But someone reports the statistics right ? How do you know it's close to accurate ? You don't.

Nordic countries have pretty good ranks on being reliable with minimum corruption.

Corruption Perceptions Index 2019

TLDR out 180 countries Finland, Norway and Sweden are ranked in top 7.

US is at 23rd spot. incidentally I was actually surprised how well you did.

And yes sure of course it may all be a huge lizard men plot to bring dinosaurs back, while terraforming earth to huge jungle and Covid transforming everyone to T Rex with this just being a diversion while everyone secretly transferred to digital world that is actually only an electric marble that angels play around with except they are actually double agents working for Satan but that is just part of the Gods plan to give Satan false sense of security......

You got to believe something to make sense of the world.

Trusting established democracies with high level of education, social trust and freedom of the press makes more sense than trusting shady YouTube videos.

 

[Hank77]

I did that was what I meant is that you cannot always just keep people from picking else the food will rot.

So what do you think about the solution?

 

[dogs4thewin]

So what do you think about the solution?

You mean the fast tests part?

 

[Hank77]

You mean the fast tests part?

I mean everything I said about isolation (for 2 wks), testing and results before being allowed to move about freely in stores, etc.
Add temperature testing by the employer before starting work on a daily basis.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I mean everything I said about isolation (for 2 wks), testing and results before being allowed to move about freely in stores, etc.
Add temperature testing by the employer before starting work on a daily basis.

The two week part I have an issue with the temps I would support.

 

[hedrick]

There's so much uncertainty that I think it's hard to criticize countries. People were spooked by the Italy situation. I think it's pretty clear that without a lockdown we would have had such a situation in NY and NJ. Hence I believe they really had to do a lockdown.

If Sweden thinks they can get enough distancing from voluntary action to keep numbers within what they can handle, it's hard to prove that they're wrong. But their weekly deaths are pretty clearly growing. I think there's a reasonable chance they won't be able continue their current path.

I feel the same about states in the US with low numbers of cases and deaths. I think they'll get into trouble, but there's certainly no way to prove it.

The danger is that by the time you see cases growing, and particularly deaths, the growth has been happening for several weeks. If you find you're wrong and have to tighten up, it will take several weeks before it has any effect, and likely more than a month to reverse a serious problem. That would argue for opening slowly and waiting a few weeks before the next step.

 

[Hank77]

The two week part I have an issue with the temps I would support.

What is your problem with the 2 wks?

 

[dogs4thewin]

What is your problem with the 2 wks?

because in that two weeks ( depending on when in the cycle they are there) some stuff may end up rotting.

 

[Hank77]

because in that two weeks ( depending on when in the cycle they are there) some stuff may end up rotting.

Then they need to be here 2 wks earlier than normal.

 

[FireDragon76]

Our missionaries are reporting back that way more ears are open to the gospel in this time. And in areas where they weren't so much open before all this came down. Really this is a good time to shine for Jesus Christ. I spend very little time in the political section of these forums, I'd rather be elsewhere. Plus I have work to do for the pastor etc, so I tend not to argue much here ( I'm easy lol ).

Taking advantage of peoples emotional vulnerability is unethical proselytism.

The loving thing to do is support people according to their felt needs without any ulterior motive, not to see them as a feather in your evangelism cap.

 

[pitabread]

Well, we need to get the truth, first. And lest we forget - you are the poster who was off by a factor of 10 in your reporting of the number of annual influenza deaths.

In another thread, OP was also lauding the lack of social distancing during the Black Death. Quite frankly, I think they have a bit of a death fetish.

 

[FireDragon76]

In another thread, OP was also lauding the lack of social distancing during the Black Death. Quite frankly, I think they have a bit of a death fetish.

Some did engage in social distancing during the black death, even if they didn't fully understand the mechanisms of how the plague was transmitted. That is one of the reasons the papacy moved to Avignon, and the wealthy tended to retreat into country manors.

 

[Halbhh]

There's so much uncertainty that I think it's hard to criticize countries. People were spooked by the Italy situation. I think it's pretty clear that without a lockdown we would have had such a situation in NY and NJ. Hence I believe they really had to do a lockdown.

If Sweden thinks they can get enough distancing from voluntary action to keep numbers within what they can handle, it's hard to prove that they're wrong. But their weekly deaths are pretty clearly growing. I think there's a reasonable chance they won't be able continue their current path.

I feel the same about states in the US with low numbers of cases and deaths. I think they'll get into trouble, but there's certainly no way to prove it.

The danger is that by the time you see cases growing, and particularly deaths, the growth has been happening for several weeks. If you find you're wrong and have to tighten up, it will take several weeks before it has any effect, and likely more than a month to reverse a serious problem. That would argue for opening slowly and waiting a few weeks before the next step.

This would sound more reasonable to make blanket statements like "it's hard to prove that they're wrong." and "there's certainly no way to prove it." if we didn't have the math understanding and the data, and see for this virus over and over consistently in nation after nation follows the virus math of spread follows in a clear, straightforward way depending on social distancing, that's actually very well understood by epidemiologists, who have explained it over and over to us.

Just over and over, all of these. If I'd not learned from those knowledgeable people who's job it is to understand this, then it would have taken longer to see the pattern, but still, the patter is very clear in the data, such as from here:

Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,637,673 Cases and 184,217 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

So, see, like algebra or calculus, it isn't hard to understand once you listen to a good teacher about it.

So, the idea ""there's certainly no way to prove it" won't hold up well, if the standard is which nations turn out to have had less deaths as a % of their population say after 2 full years of this have passed. It will be quite clear, and we already clearly can see what matters and how the trend works.

 

[Halbhh]

Taking advantage of peoples emotional vulnerability is unethical proselytism.

The loving thing to do is support people according to their felt needs without any ulterior motive, not to see them as a feather in your evangelism cap.

Sure, that would be so if and when it happens. Kinda like saying that stealing is wrong. Pretty definitely so! But giving isn't wrong. Stealing: wrong. Giving: fine.

 

[rambot]

At only 4x the death rate of its neighbours.

Yes indeed! Paying off in spades

 

[Hans Blaster]

Taking advantage of peoples emotional vulnerability is unethical proselytism.

Pretty much SOP.

 

[mala]

Some did engage in social distancing during the black death, even if they didn't fully understand the mechanisms of how the plague was transmitted. That is one of the reasons the papacy moved to Avignon, and the wealthy tended to retreat into country manors.

there were entire villages that basically cutoff contact with others using only deaddrop locations to trade and communicate with others. these days though the nuts would rather have us dropdead in order to trade.