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The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

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Geocentricity and the Bible what the Bible really says.

The creation days were long. Yom used don't mean days. Also god gives us

The Bible does give an idea of how many generations have lived under God's commandments. At least three verses in the Old Testament indicate that humans have been around for at least 1000 generations. Since a biblical generation is usually listed at 40 years, this would suggest that modern humans have existed for at least 40,000 years.
 
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Geocentricity and the Bible what the Bible really says.

The creation days were long. Yom used don't mean days. Also god gives us

The Bible does give an idea of how many generations have lived under God's commandments. At least three verses in the Old Testament indicate that humans have been around for at least 1000 generations. Since a biblical generation is usually listed at 40 years, this would suggest that modern humans have existed for at least 40,000 years.
"Does not compute".
in six periods of darkness and six periods of light, God created everything that is. He said they were six days of evenings and mornings, with a following Sabbath of rest, on which the week is based.

So your statement is not even rational, for nothing could exist in the period of darkness that you claim was a l---------------on-----------g time! before the period of light returned.
I reject your opinion as valid Bible doctrine.
And we do have the genealogy of the patraiarchs ages of birth and death and their children born, from Adam to Christ.
 
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"Does not compute".
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I was reading a article by Pastor D. A. Waite, Th.D.,Ph.D. found it interesting I am having trouble with the link so here is the body of the email I thought it was interesting.

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Exposing The Copernican Deception:
The Cataclysmic Impact On Every Field
Of Modern Man’s Knowledge

What strikes you as being some thoughts that people
would have if--in the short space of a few weeks--the universally held
conviction that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun
annually were exposed as an unscientific deception?
Keep in mind that a rotating, orbiting earth is not
counted as a mere hypothesis or even a theory anywhere in the world
today. Oh no. Rather, this concept is an unquestioned "truth";
an established "fact" in all books and other media everywhere, church
media included.
Copernicanism, in short, is a concept that is protected
in a bunker under a 50 foot thick ceiling of solid "scientific"
concrete. It is meant to be impregnable. It is a concept that has become
ensconced in men’s minds as the indestructible cornerstone of
enlightened modern man’s knowledge. Virtually all people
everywhere have been taught to believe--and do believe--that this concept
is based on objective science and dispassionate secular reasoning, now long
since freed from religious superstitions based on the Bible.
Indeed, it was this Copernican heliocentricity concept
that gradually broke the back of Bible credibility as the source of
Absolute Truth in Christendom. Once the Copernican
Revolution had conquered the physical sciences of Astronomy and Physics and
put down deep roots in Universities and lower schools everywhere, it was
only a matter of time until the Biological sciences launched the Darwinian
Revolution.
The embrace of Darwinism then quite predictably
emboldened increasingly secular-minded mankind to further reject Biblical
Absolutism and replace its teachings with yet more new "truths" in areas of
learning having to do with economics and government. Thus was unsuccessful
and floundering Marxism given new life. Marx openly tried to dedicate his
own books to Darwin, exulting: "You have given me the basis for my
system". Thus, the "Social Science" disciplines were born and began to make
their contributions to the destruction of Bible credibility.

Marx’s less famous
and under-rated benefactor, Friedrich Ingles, not only recognized the
anti-Bible nature of Darwinism and Marxism, he--more than Marx and many
of those early Communist revolutionaries--fully grasped the overriding
importance of protecting the Copernican foundation of the envisioned New
World Order from any and all attacks. He worked diligently to
fortify against any lingering sporadic counter-attack against the
Copernican foundation (by the Lutherans chiefly). He understood that the
continued hardening of the Copernican paradigm into unchallengable "fact"
status was absolutely essential to the success of Marxism. Engles wrote:
"...one
of the basic theses of dialectic materialism [Communism], is
the inseparability of movement from
matter...."1
(Anti-Communists, think on that a minute!!) (Also: Check pp.25-27 in THE EARTH IS
NOT MOVING for
this statement and for other quotations by Communist physicists and
mathematicians about how mathematics were "created" and how Leninist theory
"reconstructed the mathematical sciences" to rule out any non-moving
(inert) body in the universe, i.e., to rule out the Biblical model of a
stationary Earth at the center of God’s Creation and simultaneously
give atheism its "scientific" foundation....)


Notice then the progression after the
conquest of the physical sciences to...the biological sciences...to the
social sciences and thence to the behavioral
sciences....

Enter Sigmund
Freud from far left stage. Freud--thoroughly marinated in
evolution’s juices
and ready to turn every sexual
perversion from the Talmud’s pages (HERE)
into normal behavior and world notoriety--stated flatly: "Man is not
different from, or better than, the animals." 2 He also declared that "...science
is no illusion. But it
would be an illusion to
suppose that we could get anywhere else what IT cannot give
us."3


Lest today’s younger
generation be unaware of the ineffably pervasive impact that Freud’s
evolution-based, ostensibly secular "knowledge of the mind" witchcraft
[i.e., psychology] has had, here are just a few assessments:
"Sigmund Freud’s name
is as cardinal in the history of human thought as Charles
Darwin’s."4 "Few others in the history of the world have had a more
profound influence on the way man thinks about himself."5 "The very intellectual air
we breathe has been infused
with Freud’s categories of thought."6 "No other thinker in modern times
has had a comparable effect upon so many branches of knowledge."
7
Etcetera. (Several
revealing pages on Freud at this source:
(HERE).



And too, lest we
forget that the evolution-based revolutions sparked by the
Darwin/Marx/Freud triumvirate in the late 1800’s were TOTALLY dependent on the
previous
success of the Copernican Revolution, consider the
bottom line of what was happening over in the Physics and Astronomy
Departments while Freud was at the university in Paris in the
mid-1880’s: That bottom line is that the negative results of the
Michelson-Morley interferometer experiments conducted in Europe and the
U.S. in the 1880’s consistently showed no orbital motion of the Earth
around the sun.
No motion. Period.
(Shades of Joshua: "Sun, stand
THOU still!" [Jos.10:12])



"...this
unexpected result kept the scientific world long in perplexity....."
8 wrote Hans Reichenbach in his insightful
book From Copernicus To Einstein. He further noted: "This result, announced in 1887,
dumfounded
scientists...." ("Dumfounded" means "astonished, amazed, astounded,
bewildered, confounded, flabbergasted, shocked and stunned".) This
was serious business! The whole cult with its
"science" idol was in jeopardy! Over three centuries of
carefully layered propaganda and indoctrination had defeated and all but
buried the Bible’s account of a stationary Earth. The outer wall of
the Bible’s claim to Truth had been battered down by radical members
of the scientific priesthood. And now they were on the verge of breaking
through the second line of defense with the Evolution battering ram. This
breakthrough was designed to defeat and bury not only the Creation account
of man created in the image of God, but the whole Creation scenario set out
in the Bible. No Creation; no Garden of Eden; no Satan; no
Temptation; no Fall; no need for Jesus to redeem from the fallen
condition.... What’s left of Christianity but a bunch of rituals
and traditions?!)


The long and the short of all this is that the science
establishment was thrown into an absolute funk with a capital "F" by the
interferometer experiments! The word "unthinkable" got a lot of exercise.
World class scientists such as Poincare’, Maxwell, Lorentz, and
FitzGerald heaved and sweated mightily to hold the establishment’s
house of cards together. The situation was desperate.
Then, in 1905, a savior appeared!
This savior--this man who rescued the ruling
theoretical science establishment from its potentially lethal enemy (The
Truth!); this savior--who advanced a theory of Relativity which seemingly
ruled out forever any challenge to the Communist/Kabbalist physics (HERE
- HERE)
which forbade any inertia in the universe--was feted with red carpet
and parades and statues in capitols around the world. His name became
synonymous with unequaled IQ-busting human intelligence. From a long list
of great men and women at the end of the 20th Century, Einstein was chosen
"Man of the Century".
His crowning achievement? Why so glorified by a humanist
controlled media and "Education" Establishment? Well, after all, he did
rescue the Copernican foundation of all modern man’s "knowledge" from
exposure as a lie! He deserved what he got from those who gave it to
him.
On pages 110-133 (and elsewhere) in The Earth Is Not
Moving one can see how the shenanigans posing as science that led to
the secular canonization of Einstein developed. Suffice it to say, here is what the
evidence plainly
demonstrates:
1) Einstein’s Relativity
hypothesis rescued heliocentricity from the findings of over 200
experiments which showed that the earth was not moving.
2) These experiments threatened to
undo over 300 years of successful labor to transmute fictionized
(i.e., Cabalized) mathematics into the basis of modern science.
3) Moreover, by threatening the Copernican Paradigm, i.e.,
the very foundation--the raison d' etre--of this successful
transmutation, these experiments contained the deadly potential of
thwarting the rooting process of Darwinism, Marxism, Freudianism,
Einsteinism, and (later) Saganism. These isms were
essential to victory in this spiritual warfare which intended to get
rid of the Biblical God, and especially His Son Jesus, and return to
Paganism. Atheist philosopher Nietzsche summed up what was really at
stake just before the experiments threatened the whole unfolding secular
game plan: "God is dead", he said. "We have killed Him with our
science."
4) From F. Engles on, Communist
(atheist) physics would allow nothing to be motionless in the
universe, thereby "scientifically" ruling out the Biblically
mandated stationary and immovable Earth.
5) Einsteinian Relativity is anti-Biblical, but it is not a wholly secular concept.
Indeed, it is an essential part of another "creation
account" given in another "holy book", i.e., the Kabbala. This "holy
book", with its 13th century Rabbinical concept of a "Big Bang-Expanding
Universe" (HERE),
is an instrument of another religion which--along with the
Talmud--specifically targets the Bible--and especially the New Testament of
Jesus Christ--for destruction.
6) It is a surpassingly interesting "coincidence" that the
Kabbala also promotes, Zionism, and Dispensationalism
(HERE & HERE).
-------
Anti-Bible, anti-Jesus Kabbalism/Talmudism rules modern
man’s "knowledge".
Temporarily.
-------
As to the developments in the world of "science" that have
followed upon hyper-Zionist Einstein’s promotion of Kabbalistic
"creationism", again, much that is pertinent regarding Sagan, Sakharov,
etc., will be found in the book mentioned above. Also, recently added links
demonstrating the connections of all this to Saganesque and Goldinite goals
of establishing extraterrestrial evolutionism thru NASA’s "Origins
Program" using Virtual Reality Technology can be sampled
(HERE & HERE
& HERE
&
HERE).

So,
since it is essentially beyond argument that man’s knowledge (what he
thinks is true) is ultimately determined by his beliefs about the ORIGIN of
all that exists, it follows inexorably that all five categories of
knowledge held by an individual or a whole population will be colored
and shaped by what is thought to be true about ORIGINS.
(The Five Categories
of Knowledge are: Physical Sciences; Natural Sciences; Social [and
Behavioral] Sciences; Arts & Humanities; Religion.)



Thus, as we’ve seen,
when Copernican "science" (in
spite of ALL observational and experimental evidence to the
contrary!) captured the Physical
Science "disciplines", a great change in man’s beliefs about the
place of the Earth and of mankind in the universe gradually took over and
became "fact". Reduced by Copernicanism to just another speck of flotsam in
the universe, man’s image of himself and the Earth as special
creations by God for a special purpose was steadily eroded. Since then,
mankind has been relentlessly conditioned by "education" and ever
increasingly sophisticated media indoctrination to add yet other levels of
nihilistic philosophy to his "knowledge" of what theoretical "science"
tells him is true. And it all got its liftoff by the two hundred year rise
to success of a mathematical model of Copernican heliocentricity! To this
very day, this model, astonishingly, has not one piece of incontrovertible
evidence which cannot be scientifically countered with the Biblical
geocentrism model (HERE
- HERE).


So, in due time
Darwinism reinforced Copernicanism in the battle to destroy Bible
credibility. This ostensibly new (but really ancient paganistic)
"scientific" breakthrough of evolutionism complimented and greatly advanced
the Copernican deception about ORIGINS and was designed to get God out of
the Creation business altogether.
Darwin, of course, only popularized evolutionism with his
book in 1859, giving it a supposed mechanism thru natural selection and
mutations, both since demonstrated to be utter nonsense. The actual roots
of the evolutionary concept can be traced back to antiquity...as indeed can
the roots of Copernican heliocentricism. Certainly the neo-heliocentrists,
i.e., the early Copernicans such as Kepler were evolutionists. Galileo,
like Kepler his friend, a neo-heliocentrist, was probably an evolutionist.
Newton gave Copernicanism its biggest boost with his book in 1687, but
I’ve seen no overt evidence that he was an evolutionist. (If you know of such
evidence, I'd like to see it....)
Thanks, however, to Newton’s invented math and the
excesses of his gravitational hypotheses (HERE),
Copernicanism dug in its heels in the universities in the 1700’s, and
by the last quarter of that century had produced a large crop of hard core
heliocentrists, not a few of whom were advocating ape-man theories
(amongst them, Darwin’s grandfather, Erasmus Darwin,
Voltaire’s disciples in France, etc.). This was the age of "The
Enlightenment" which produced Thomas Paine, the celebrated pamphleteer of
the American Revolution, whom George Washington referred to as "that
filthy little atheist". Thomas Jefferson's and Ben Franklin’s Deism
was commonplace in Europe as well as amongst the rebellious American
colonies. During the French
Revolution of the 1790’s the Bible was actually outlawed.
These developments
were sixty to a hundred years and more before Darwin, but the damage to
Bible credibility done by the Copernican Revolution by that time was making
an ever-widening open door for Evolutionism to take root. By
1830--even before Darwin (with his Degree in Theology, not Biology) went to
the Galapagos Islands and began to formulate his mythology, Charles Lyell
(with his degree in Law, not Geology) had advanced his idea of a "geologic
column" with great ages attached to alleged descending layers of the earth.
Though such a column has never, ever been confirmed, and though there are
mountainous examples of the theoretically old layers being on top of the
supposedly more recent ones, and though the Cambrian layer shows a sudden
profusion of highly developed life forms with no antecedents, Darwin picked
up on Lyell’s fantasy and it is still taught as a proof of an ancient
earth and macro-evolutionism.
These developments--and a book
full of like examples that could be cited--are mentioned here merely to
underscore what--ironically--is obvious and understood by all
evolutionists, namely, that the gradual and thorough success of the
Copernican Revolution prepared the soil for the introduction and steady
growth and spread of the Darwinian Revolution. The only people
who won’t admit that Copernicanism’s success made
Darwinism’s success possible, and that Copernicanism is just as
contra-Scriptural as Darwinism, are, of all people, the most visible
Christian Creationists and the organizations they represent. It’s
crazy. (See: "Genesis
1:1-5: Creationist Stonewalling of Bible Geocentricity" & "The
Universe: Finite Or Infinite"?) Also: HERE
& HERE
& HERE
& HERE.
Anyway, after a few generations Darwin’s disciples
had secured control of all levels of "education" [indoctrination]
and--disregarding the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and The Law of
Biogenesis--had succeeded in incorporating the scientifically unsustainable
and logically impossible evolutionary hypotheses into modern man’s
knowledge bank. The groundwork for getting God out of the ORIGINS
business was pretty well handled. Then, as noted, heliocentricity and
evolutionism marched on to conquer all but a few holdouts in the Social
and Behavioral Sciences, the Arts, and Religion.
No area of man’s understanding has escaped this
relentless conquest of "knowledge" described in the Bible over 1900 years
ago as:
"...profane and vain
babblings,

and oppositions of science
falsely so called."
(I Timothy 6:20).
Well, many would
say: Even if all this is the truth about man’s knowledge today and
how it got to be the contorted mess it is, what can be done about it?!
It’s too pervasive, too entrenched, too well protected by powerful
interests for anything to be done to even expose it, much less stop
it!
Humanly speaking, this is true.
From God’s viewpoint, however, it is as good as
done!
When one can read words written over
1900 years ago which tell of a One World Government (Rev.13:7,16,17, etc.),
of global telecommunications (Rev. 11:9,10;etc.), of biotech cloning of a
human (Rev. 13:15), of laser tatoos and micro-chip implantations for
surveillance and identification (Rev. 13:16,17), of over 300 documentable
fulfillments of Old Testament prophecies, etc., one should know that those
ancient words--and all the other words by the same Author--will be
fulfilled in a timely manner.
Don’t argue with God’s Book! You will
lose....
And what that Author has written is that Satan (the author
of confusion: I Cor.14:33) is responsible for this systematic construction
of the body of "knowledge" which rules the world today (II Cor.4:4). This
body of "knowledge" is "foolishness to God" (I Cor. 3:19). He laughs at its
posturing...as if it would defeat His Plans (Psalm 2:4)! HE calls this
bogus "knowledge" by its real name, i.e., Babylonish
confusion...which He will utterly lay bare in "one hour--one day"
(Rev.18:8,10,17,19). This "knowledge" is rotten to the core with deception
and is absolutely antithetical to the Truths of God that will govern on
that eternal New Earth
(HERE & HERE)
without opposition (Is.14:16; Rev.20:10).
When does this Fall of Babylon take place?
That same unimpeachable Source of Absolute Truth declares
that Babylon is scheduled for exposure and defeat "one hour" after a
Global Government is established (Rev. 17:12,14; I. John 3:8). How close
to realization is the Global Government (which is being brought on stage
by globalization of increasingly unstable economies and by the need (or excuse!) to
prevent access to weapons of mass
destruction by terrorists )? Well, just so close--plus "one hour"--is
The Fall of Babylon, i.e., The Fall of Confusion About What Is True And
What Is False; that is to say: The Fall of Man’s "Knowledge" Founded
On Bible-Contradicting Deceptions.
And--even if many, many millions, nay, Billions!--may wish
it were otherwise, Satan "knows his time is short" (Rev.12:12).
Where does the God of fulfilled prophecies begin the
process that will trigger events that lead directly to: a) The Fall of
Babylon, b) The Scriptural unfolding of the Seven Trumpet events, c) The
"little season", d) And the end of this earth’s history and the
beginning of the eternal New Earth?
It begins where it is written that it will begin, namely,
"...at the house of God" (I Peter 4:17,18). (HERE)
Read that piece and you will know why God's Judgment begins in the Christian
churches....
Without exception, all of these churches have denied plain Scripture
which declares a moving sun and a stationary Earth. Instead,
all have bowed the knee to Occult Scientism on this pivotal Origins
Subject, and, in doing so, have given Satan the platform he needed to
subvert all "knowledge" and bring Bible Christianity to the very brink of
destruction. Yet, God has written: "...the gates of hell shall
not prevail against Christ's Church"
(Matt:16:18). So; Churches: God's
Judgment Begins with you, and it begins with your repentance for your role
in giving Satan the platform he needed to accomplish his goal of
destroying the credibility of the Bible without which neither Jesus nor
His Church can stand. Get ready for it....


BIBLIOGRAPHY

#1 - Dr. Joseph Needham, "Marx’s Theory on the
Historical Process", Science At The Crossroads, (London: Frank Cass
and Co., Ltd., 1971), p.204.
#2 - Davidson, et al, eds., Humanities In Contemporary
Life, p.345.
#3 - Sigmund Freud, The Future Of An Illusion,
(Garden City, NY: Doubleday &Company, Inc., 1953), p.102.
#4 - Joseph Jastrow, The House That Freud Built,
(New York: Greenburg Press, 1932), p.228.
#5 - Giovanni Castigan, Sigmund Freud - A Short
Biography, (New York: The Macmillan Co., 1965), Jacket.
#6 - Paul Roazen, Freud: Political And Social
Thought, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., 1968), p. 10.
#7 - Castigan, Freud, Jacket.

#8 - Hans Reichenbach,
From Copernicus To Einstein, (New York: Dover Publications, 1980),
p.55.

#9 - R. Hazelett and D. Turner, ed., The
Einstein Myth and The Ives Papers, (Old Greenwich, Conn., The
Devin-Adair Co., Publishers, 1979), p.290.
 
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I avoid the anti-zionist remarks when I link, because that is personal opinion of the persons, but not Bible doctrine, but I do link to Robert Sungenis and Malcolm Bowden's Bible science on the Geo-centric creation.

I am "Zionist" in my beliefs and am geo-centric, because both are Bible doctrines.
 
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I avoid the anti-zionist remarks when I link, because that is personal opinion of the persons, but not Bible doctrine, but I do link to Robert Sungenis and Malcolm Bowden's Bible science on the Geo-centric creation.

I am "Zionist" in my beliefs and am geo-centric, because both are Bible doctrines.

Didn't say I totally agree with him; but I thought is was interesting. Don't know his Zionist terminology some people referrer to it in different lights. :)
 
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"Does not compute".
in six periods of darkness and six periods of light, God created everything that is. He said they were six days of evenings and mornings, with a following Sabbath of rest, on which the week is based.

So your statement is not even rational, for nothing could exist in the period of darkness that you claim was a l---------------on-----------g time! before the period of light returned.
I reject your opinion as valid Bible doctrine.
And we do have the genealogy of the patraiarchs ages of birth and death and their children born, from Adam to Christ.

You would have to reject the Hebrew yom is not the same has days they we know it to be. Hebrew gives us the clues. In the whole O.T yom is never meant regular days. 6 yom aren't days .

"Outside Genesis 1, yom is used with a number 410 times, and each time it means an ordinary day—why would Genesis 1 be the exception?"1

Let's look at some notable exceptions to this "rule," just using the first day as an example. The number used for "first day" is the Hebrew word echad,12 which means "one." The first exception to the "rule" is found in Genesis 29:20, where echad yom refers to a period of seven years that Jacob served Laban to obtain Rachel.13

In the book of 1 Samuel, David says that he "will perish one day [echad yom] by the hand of Saul."14 Obviously, David was not expecting to die in exactly 24 hours. In fact, David was never killed by Saul, but died of old age many decades later.

A prophecy from the book of Daniel describes the demise of the ruler of the Syrian kingdom, Seleucus Philopator, the Son of Antiochus the Great. According to Daniel 11:20, "within a few days [echad yom] he will be shattered."15 The reign of Seleucus actually lasted 12 years16 - a relatively short period of time, but certainly not 24 hours!

There are several examples where echad yom refers to the Day of the Lord - a period usually interpreted as being seven years in length.17 Specific examples that specify a period of time longer than 24 hours include the following:

'For behold, the stone that I have set before Joshua; on one stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave an inscription on it,' declares the LORD of hosts, 'and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day [echad yom]. 'In that day,' declares the LORD of hosts, 'every one of you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and under his fig tree.'" (Zechariah 3:9-10)

For it will be a unique day [echad yom] which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light. And it will come about in that day that living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter. (Zechariah 14:7-8)

"He [the Lord] will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day, That we may live before Him. (Hosea 6:2)

If we are to interpret echad yom as referring only to a 24 hour day, then people will only be able to invite their neighbors over during one 24 hour period of time. Obviously, Zechariah 3:9-10 refers to an extended period of time. Later in his book, Zechariah describes this "one day" as being "in summer as well as in winter." This verse clearly indicates that this "one day" must be at least six months in length. The third example above is somewhat difficult to interpret, but is often interpreted as representing long periods of time. Gill's commentary says,"...these two and three days may be expressive of a long and short time, as interpreters differently explain them; of a long time, as the third day is a long time for a man to lie dead..."18 These six examples clearly establish that when yom is used with a number it does not always refer to 24-hour days.
 
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Paul had god us God's days are 1000 in ours . Beside yom is not regular days. Also god has told us he has pass his law for a 1000 generation. The generation for the bible is 20 to 40 years. Not only that but sprout and growing grass the grass was not matured in genesis it was a seedling

The Bible itself states that the covenant and laws of God have been proclaimed to a "thousand generations" (Deuteronomy 7:9, 1 Chronicles 16:15, Psalm 105:8). Even if a generation is considered to be 20 years, this adds up to at least 20,000 years. A biblical generation is often described as being 40 years, which would represent at least 40,000 years. However, since the first dozen or more generations were nearly 1,000 years, this would make humans nearly 50,000 years old, which agrees very well with dates from paleontology and molecular biology

A thousand generations had kept god's law . Which me as the six creation stories has to be long creation days but it doesn't mean what I say. I give your clear proof . Hebrew is what is to be looked at .
 
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Hebrew Dictionaries

Let’s start with the possible meanings of Yom;

The Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (1980, Moody Press)
"It can denote: 1. the period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness), 2. the period of twenty-four hours, 3. a general vague "time," 4. a point of time, 5. a year (in the plural; I Sam 27:7; Ex 13:10, etc.)."
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible (symbols omitted)

from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), [often used adv.]:--age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, end, evening, (for)ever(lasting), ever(more), full, life, as long as (...live), even now, old, outlived, perpetually, presently, remaineth, required, season, since, space, then, (process of) time, as at other times, in trouble, weather (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), whole (age), (full) year (-ly), younger

As you can see, Hebrew dictionaries attest to the fact that the word Yom is used for anywhere from 12 hours up to a year, and even a vague "time period" of unspecified length.

Other Uses of Yom

Day is not the only translation for the word Yom. Here are some other uses.

Time

It is interesting to note that in 67 verses in the Old Testament, the word Yom is translated into the English word "time." For instance, in Genesis 4:3, it says "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord." In this instance, Yom refers to a growing season, probably several months. Again, in Deuteronomy 10:10, it refers to a "time" equal to forty days. In I Kings 11:42, it says "And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years." In this case, Yom translated as the word "time" is equivalent to a 40 year period.
In Isaiah 30:8, it says "Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever." In this case, Yom is equal to "forever." How long is forever? An infinite number of years...billions upon billions upon billons of years. If Yom can equal trillions of years here, then why not billions of years in Genesis?

Year

Four times in the Old Testament Yom is translated "year." In I Kings 1:1, "David was old and stricken in years..." In 2 Chronicles 21:19, "after the end of two years" and in the very next verse "Thirty and two years old." Finally, in Amos 4:4, "...and your tithes after three years." In each case, Yom represents years, not days.

Age

Eight times in the Old Testament Yom is translated "age." These range from sentences like "stricken in age," meaning old age (Genesis 18:11 and 24:1; Joshua 23:1 and 23:2), and other times it says "old age" (Genesis 21:2, Genesis 21:7). Genesis 47:28 refers to "the whole age of Jacob," therefore yom here refers to an entire lifetime. In Zechariah 8:4, it says old men and women will sit in the streets of Jerusalem, "each with cane in hand because of his age."

Ago

One time Yom is translated "ago." 1 Samuel 9:20 says "As for the donkeys you lost three days ago, ..."

Always

Four times yom is translated as "always," in Deuteronomy 5:29, 6:24, 14:23, and in 2 Chronicles 18:7. Always here can be interpreted as a lifetime...for instance, we are to keep the commandments of the Lord always (Deut. 5:29).

Season

Three times yom is translated "season." In Genesis 40:4, "...and they continued a season in ward." Again, in Joshua 24:7, "dwelt in the wilderness a long season," and in 2 Chronicles 15:3, "...a long season Israel hath been...". In each case yom represents a multi-month period.

Chronicles

When used in conjunction with the word dâbâr, yom is translated "chronicles" (27 times).

Continually

When used in conjunction with kôwl, yom is translated as "continually" (11 times). Once, in Psalm 139:16, it is translated continuance (without the kôwl).

Ever

Ever is used to represent a long period of time, such as in Deuteronomy 19:9, "to walk ever in his ways." Nineteen times Yom is translated "ever." The old testament uses "for ever" instead of the word forever. In sixteen cases of use of the word ever, for is placed before it, indicating a infinite period of time. I will not list them all (consult Strong's Concordance for a full listing) but here is an example. In Psalm 23:6, it says "Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever." Here Yom is translated as the final word of this verse, ever. Thus, Yom in this verse, and 16 others, represents eternity.

Evermore

In one instance, when yom is used in conjunction with kôwl, Yom is translated "evermore." Deuteronomy 28:29, "...and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore;" thus representing either a lifetime or eternity.

Word Usage in the Old Testament

As you can see, Yom is used in a wide variety of situations related to the concept of time. Yom is not just for days...it is for time in general. How it is translated depends on the context of its use with other words.
Yom in the Creation Account

Even within the creation account, Yom is used to represent four different time periods.

Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night." Here, Moses uses Yom to indicate a 12-hour period
Genesis 1:14 "And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years." Here, Moses uses Yom to indicate 24-hour days
Genesis 2:4 "...in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens." Here, Moses uses Yom to indicate the entire creative week.
The fourth usage of Yom in the creation account is in the summary for each of the six creation days, "and there was morning and evening the first day". Yom is used to represent a finite, long period of time, usually either millions or billions of years. To show support for this, consider the uses of Yom by Moses.

Moses Other Uses of Yom

Moses, the author of the first five books of the Bible, and of Psalm 90, used Yom in many different ways.

Genesis 4:3 "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord." In this instance, Yom refers to a growing season, probably several months.
Genesis 43:9 "...then let me bear the blame for ever." Here, Moses uses Yom to represent eternity
Genesis 44:32 "...then I shall bear the blame to my father for ever." Again, Moses uses Yom to represent eternity
Deuteronomy 4:40 "...that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the Lord thy God giveth the, for ever." Here Yom represents a physical lifetime
Deuteronomy 10:10, "Now I stayed on the mountain forty days and nights, as I did the first time,..." Here, Yom is a "time" equal to forty days.
Deuteronomy 18:5 "...to stand to minister in the name of the Lord, him and his sons for ever." Again, Yom is translated as eternity
Deuteronomy 19:9 "...to love the Lord thy God, and to walk ever in His ways..." Here, Yom represents a lifetime. As long as we live we are to walk in his ways

As you can see, Moses used the word Yom to represent 12-hours, 24 hours, the creative week, forty days, several months, a lifetime, and eternity.
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Once again the bible clearly states 1000 generations have passed Mose law down and that was normal 40 years. It clearly states the earth is much old. 24 hours really can't be prove since the fact an generation is 40 gets in the bible .

However you will reject this and I have said all I have said.
 
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Paul had god us God's days are 1000 in ours . Beside yom is not regular days. Also god has told us he has pass his law for a 1000 generation. The generation for the bible is 20 to 40 years. Not only that but sprout and growing grass the grass was not matured in genesis it was a seedling ...
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You are in error and the Word rebukes you.

The thousand year day is in Scripture -and it is in many places to be found for those who study the Word- is only one of the ways God measures time, but His oracle of measure of times begins with the evening and morning of one period of darkness and light which is form sunset to sunset, since the sun was made on day four of evenings and mornings and set in the heavens to govern the light by day. Before day four, the light brought into being on day one marked the morning/day, and the darkness marked the night/evening.

Without a foundation for His oracles of time measures, you have nothing to base your claim on, and that foundation is the period of darkness and light circling the earth in 18 parts total, which we today divided into about 24 hours -but God's 18 parts are perfect, and never have to be adjusted to add or subtract, from the beginning to eternity, for in His sacred calendar, the four stop days heading the seasons are not counted in their parts nor added to the count fo the days of the week, as they are "stop" days, but are added to the number of days in His perfect year at the end of the 360 days of evenings and mornings, making 364 perfect days in His one year from the beginning to all eternity.

The thousand year day has no evenings nor mornings, as an oracle of the Sabbath Day for earth which is its last thousand year day /the seventh before the New Beginning/the eighth/that Great Day, in which the Sun over Jerusalem/Israel never sets and the gates are never shut and His glory is the "Sun of Righteousness" dwelling in and shining out to all from Jerusalem, Israel....now go study that one out in the Word of God for yourself, for it is there, and I do nto want to lead you through it as it is a study for the wise to do, and the unwise to ignore.

God also has measures of seven hundred year weeks, and Jubilee years of forty nine weeks, and the fiftieth the Jubilee.

But the foundation of all is His seven day week of evenings and mornings/.darkness and light, and no one can make the six days of creation week and the Sabbath seventh day of rest into long periods of time unknown, for it is the foundation of all the oracles of measure of time in His Word, of His wheels of time measure within wheels of time measure.

After the millennial reign, when the heavens and earth are elementally dissolved and remade in a moment of time [just like the body of those raptured when alive will be dissolved and regenerated elementally in a moment of time] Israel, on earth, and Jerusale below will stand for a million years of a thousand generations of souls born and who are transformed to glory after their thousand year day of living, as Adam would have lived and been transformed if he had not fallen, and we fell in his fall, for we were created seed in his loins and were all created to be born, live our thousand year "day", and be transformed, but Adam died in spirit and was cast down from Paradise in Eden above, in the third heaven, and all we, the seed in his loins, died in spirit in his fall, and did not come forth to live our thousand year day and be transformed, and need to be redeemed by the blood of the Lamb -born again in Christ- to be transformed: Adam then died physically in the flesh before he lived his thousand year day, dying short at age 930 ordinary days of evenings and mornings.

The Word states that Israel is made to "Plant the heavens" forever, of sons of God who will shine like the stars in the heavens when they are transformed and take their place with the sons of God in the heavenly order, ruling with the Firstborn Son [Christ who is come in flesh, to replace the Adam and to adopt the seed of Adam as His sons].
 
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I was reading a article by Pastor D. A. Waite, Th.D.,Ph.D. found it interesting I am having trouble with the link so here is the body of the email I thought it was interesting.

Just where did he study and do his dissertation for his Ph.D?Any one can put tags like that behind their names to make themselves sound well educated and important.
 
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I was reading a article by Pastor D. A. Waite, Th.D.,Ph.D. found it interesting I am having trouble with the link so here is the body of the email I thought it was interesting.

Just where did he study and do his dissertation for his Ph.D?Any one can put tags like that behind their names to make themselves sound well educated and important.
As to this thread, it is Scripture that does not lie, anyone who writes in agreement with Scripture is just icing on the cake, but not essential to this thread's premise, that Scripture does not lie, and teaches a geo-centric creation from the beginning to the end of the Word of God, and in the book of Enoch, and in the so called "second canon", and in many ancient writings particular to Israel, like the Book of Jasher.

If one does not believe Moses, then how will they believe any one who agrees with, and writes in support of, the Truth of the Word of God?
No one who has come to post in this thread has -nor can- offer one single proof of a heliocentric, so called ,"solar system".
They bring their opinions based on made up fables of admitted and proven occultists and atheists and pagans, but there is not one proof of a helio-centricity and every fable made by those who try to say so has been totally debunked, besides the Word of God refuting it from the beginning.

Sirach 48:New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

23 In Isaiah’s days the sun went backward,
and he prolonged the life of the king.
24 By his dauntless spirit he saw the future,
and comforted the mourners in Zion.
25 He revealed what was to occur to the end of time,
and the hidden things before they happened.






Sirach 46: Joshua son of Nun was mighty in war,
and was the successor of Moses in the prophetic office.
He became, as his name implies,
a great savior of God’s elect,
to take vengeance on the enemies that rose against them,
so that he might give Israel its inheritance.
2 How glorious he was when he lifted his hands
and brandished his sword against the cities!
3 Who before him ever stood so firm?
For he waged the wars of the Lord.
4 Was it not through him that the sun stood still
and one day became as long as two?
5 He called upon the Most High, the Mighty One,
when enemies pressed him on every side,
and the great Lord answered him
with hailstones of mighty power.



Sirach 43


The Splendor of the Sun

43 The pride of the higher realms is the clear vault of the sky,
as glorious to behold as the sight of the heavens.
2 The sun, when it appears, proclaims as it rises
what a marvelous instrument it is, the work of the Most High.

3 At noon it parches the land,
and who can withstand its burning heat?
4 A man tending a furnace works in burning heat,
but three times as hot is the sun scorching the mountains;
it breathes out fiery vapors,
and its bright rays blind the eyes.
5 Great is the Lord who made it;
at his orders it hurries on its course.
 
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Didn't say I totally agree with him; but I thought is was interesting. Don't know his Zionist terminology some people referrer to it in different lights. :)
Yes, they do...
I just try to not copy their anti-Zionist statements, but I do make the disclaimer that I do not agree with all the beliefs of the linked parties when I do use their links.
On the geocentric earth, there are many who have excellent biblical defenses of it who also believe in things I do not...but they have excellent Bible defense and even true science defense of the Bible's position of a geo-centirc creation.
 
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As to this thread, it is Scripture that does not lie, anyone who writes in agreement with Scripture is just icing on the cake, but not essential to this thread's premise, that Scripture does not lie, and teaches a geo-centric creation from the beginning to the end of the Word of God, and in the book of Enoch, and in the so called "second canon", and in many ancient writings particular to Israel, like the Book of Jasher.

If one does not believe Moses, then how will they believe any one who agrees with, and writes in support of, the Truth of the Word of God?
No one who has come to post in this thread has -nor can- offer one single proof of a heliocentric, so called ,"solar system".
They bring their opinions based on made up fables of admitted and proven occultists and atheists and pagans, but there is not one proof of a helio-centricity and every fable made by those who try to say so has been totally debunked, besides the Word of God refuting it from the beginning.

Sirach 48:New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

23 In Isaiah’s days the sun went backward,
and he prolonged the life of the king.
24 By his dauntless spirit he saw the future,
and comforted the mourners in Zion.
25 He revealed what was to occur to the end of time,
and the hidden things before they happened.






Sirach 46: Joshua son of Nun was mighty in war,
and was the successor of Moses in the prophetic office.
He became, as his name implies,
a great savior of God’s elect,
to take vengeance on the enemies that rose against them,
so that he might give Israel its inheritance.
2 How glorious he was when he lifted his hands
and brandished his sword against the cities!
3 Who before him ever stood so firm?
For he waged the wars of the Lord.
4 Was it not through him that the sun stood still
and one day became as long as two?
5 He called upon the Most High, the Mighty One,
when enemies pressed him on every side,
and the great Lord answered him
with hailstones of mighty power.



Sirach 43


The Splendor of the Sun

43 The pride of the higher realms is the clear vault of the sky,
as glorious to behold as the sight of the heavens.
2 The sun, when it appears, proclaims as it rises
what a marvelous instrument it is, the work of the Most High.

3 At noon it parches the land,
and who can withstand its burning heat?
4 A man tending a furnace works in burning heat,
but three times as hot is the sun scorching the mountains;
it breathes out fiery vapors,
and its bright rays blind the eyes.
5 Great is the Lord who made it;
at his orders it hurries on its course.

That didn't answer my question.
 
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That didn't answer my question.
Yes, it did, in that your question has no bearing on the OP as to the Scriptures that do not lie.

It is God who told us what He did and how His creation operates in the heavens to bless or curse the fixed in its place earth, which is the origin/beginning point of the creation of the heavens and of all that is created in them; for the heavens were stretched out from the earth between the cut in two waters of creation on day two, and half the waters of this created globe called earth are still above the stretched out heavens.
 
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The scriptures do not teach geocentrism. Scripture is told from an anthropomorphic pov. Just as we still today say that the sun sets and the sun rises.
 
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The scriptures do not teach geocentrism. Scripture is told from an anthropomorphic pov. Just as we still today say that the sun sets and the sun rises.
Yes, they do, from the beginning and all through.
The generations of the heaven and the earth are not written from the POV of any man, but are God's own declaration of the generations/toledot of the heavens and the earth:

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
The Generations of the Heavens and of the Earth

Introduction


Sefer Bereshit, the Book of Genesis, is a foundational book which forms the pattern of history. Nowhere is this more clear than in the toledot, the genealogies. In this study, I would like to examine the structure of Bereshit and the Messianic significance of the toledot.

Most folks skip quickly over the toledot found in Torah. They say that these toledot are boring and devoid of meaning. I believe that HaShem did this intentionally to hide the truth from the foolish so that He could make it available to the wise.

In Sefer Bereshit, the toledot form the framework of this book. Before every major person, and their contribution, we have a toledot, a genealogy. As we shall see, these toledot form the framework that will reveal the secrets of this book.

Let’s start by examining what this word, toledot, means. Strong’s defines it as:

8435 towledah, to-led-aw'; or toledah, to-led-aw'; from 3205; (plur. only) descent, i.e. family; (fig.) history:-birth, generations.
----------------- Dictionary Trace ---------------
3205 yalad, yaw-lad'; a prim. root; to bear young; causat. to beget; med. To act as midwife; spec. to show lineage:-bear, beget, birth ([-day]), born, (make to) bring forth (children, young), bring up, calve, child, come, be delivered (of a child), time of delivery, gender, hatch, labour, (do the office of a) midwife, declare pedigrees, be the son of, (woman in, woman that) travail (-eth, -ing woman).

Toledah is the singular, toledot is the plural. Strong’s indicates that we never find the singular in Torah, only the plural – toledot. Further, we see that this word is derived from vlad, which is a child. Toledot, therefore, means ‘children of …’.

The Structure of Bereshit


HaShem Deals With Man
Genesis
Chapter
Topic
1:1 – 2:3​
The story of the seven days of creation.
2:4​
The toldot of the heaven and the earth.
 
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Yes, it did, in that your question has no bearing on the OP as to the Scriptures that do not lie.

It is God who told us what He did and how His creation operates in the heavens to bless or curse the fixed in its place earth, which is the origin/beginning point of the creation of the heavens and of all that is created in them; for the heavens were stretched out from the earth between the cut in two waters of creation on day two, and half the waters of this created globe called earth are still above the stretched out heavens.

No,I was asking where the guy got his PHD..It had nothing to do with Scripture lying or not.
 
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I was reading a article by Pastor D. A. Waite, Th.D.,Ph.D. found it interesting I am having trouble with the link so here is the body of the email I thought it was interesting.



Whoever you are asking that question about and whomever you are asking it of is totally irrelevant to the OP.

It is relevant when the source of certain information is questionable..
I want to know where the guy did his dissertation and got his PhD...should be an easy question to answer.
 
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