The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

[SG9]

The infinite also stretches into the dimension of the infinitesimal for sure.

Yes, it does, and that's the point of the two realms as it spans across the smallest of Creation and unto the greatest, God Himself in man.

 

[Jipsah]

It really does not matter if you are not convinced by sources outside Scripture, as to this thread, but the Scriptures, themselves, do not lie

OK, here's the thing. If I'm talking to you,I'll say "the sun came up this morning", because from our perspective that's what happened. I don't say "this morning the earth revolved until the sun was visible above the horizon", even though in technical terms that's what happened.

The Bible isn't a text on celestial mechanics. It's written from our perspective. So yeah, it says "the sun came up". And you can assume that it mean that the sun appeared above the horizon. Good enough, true enough.

Zat mean the earth is the center of the cosmos and everything moves around it? No, because such isn't the case, as anyone who has studied astronomy for any time at all knows. And if you want to send a rocket to Jupiter or some such, you'd better listen to the astronomers with their technical jargon, because simply stating everything from an earth-bound prospective isn't gonna get it done.

, and the sun revolves and rotates and follows its own ordained paths in the heavens circling the earth, coming out of 6 different gates/portals ordained by God's electromagnetic forces, for the months and the seasons [that fact, can be scientifically observed].

Well, to put it plainly, no.

The earth does not spin, revolve, rotate or tilt

Yeah, it does all of the above. Denying it because the Bible doesn't provide these details is simply silly.

 

[Rick Otto]

Image what would happen If God had to spin the entire universe around one infinitesimely small planet in one day:
Cosmic Soup.
The very idea defies the science even you refer to.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

OK, here's the thing. If I'm talking to you,I'll say "the sun came up this morning", because from our perspective that's what happened. I don't say "this morning the earth revolved until the sun was visible above the horizon", even though in technical terms that's what happened.

The Bible isn't a text on celestial mechanics. It's written from our perspective. So yeah, it says "the sun came up". And you can assume that it mean that the sun appeared above the horizon. Good enough, true enough.

Really?
Where is that in the Bible at?
How can you convince me that God did not write the Bible through men in the exact and correct manner from His perspective?
And the book of Enoch the prophet -the seventh from Adam- most certainly includes the book of celestial mechanics revealed to Enoch by the angel, which celestial mechanics are the only way that God counts time "from His perspective" and by His sun, moon, and stars bringing in the seasons unto eternity and forever....

And if you will watch a few minutes of this link, I think you will get a better understanding of how this sin of unbelief entered the Church only about 400 years ago....
Geocentrism - The Coming Scientific Revolution - 2 - Delano - YouTube

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Image what would happen If God had to spin the entire universe around one infinitesimely small planet in one day:
Cosmic Soup.
The very idea defies the science even you refer to.

The earth is not a planet in the Word of God. Planet means wandering star, and the earth does not wander in the Word of God.

Now as to imagining, God did not leave it to our imagination, but stated exactly, from the beginning, that the heavens circled the earth before yet they were stretched out from it, when on day 2 He brought light into being, and the evening and the morning =darkness time and daylight time making one revolution around the earth- were named "one/echad Day"; then on day 2, He told us He stretched out the stories of the heavens between the divided in two waters of this globe's creation, and the half of the waters were raised above the stretched out heavens, in which stretched out heavens He set His created sun and moon, on day 4, and made the stars, also, and even named each star and calls them all by name.

 

[SG9]

The earth is not a planet in the Word of God. Planet means wandering star, and the earth does not wander in the Word of God.

Now as to imagining, God did not leave it to our imagination, but stated exactly, from the beginning, that the heavens circled the earth before yet they were stretched out from it, when on day 2 He brought light into being, and the evening and the morning =darkness time and daylight time making one revolution around the earth- were named "one/echad Day"; then on day 2, He told us He stretched out the stories of the heavens between the divided in two waters of this globe's creation, and the half of the waters were raised above the stretched out heavens, in which stretched out heavens He set His created sun and moon, on day 4, and made the stars, also, and even named each star and calls them all by name.

Hello sister, I see this as the creation of the first seed, a Spirit, an earth in man. The parallel is between the head of man and the earth his mother of dust. This that you describe is describing the placement of the Spirit in all of Creation, and nature. In another parallel, this is the construction of a Cross or better yet, the Four corners of the mind, which is in the Upper room, or waters above. The Son also Created the natural things from the Spiritual Creations of His Father. The Sun was placed above the Moon, and the stars were named. The stars in this prophecy are the Ten Commandments, and are also 10 stars, which are not numbered in your quote.

Day 4 is when YHWH assigned the stars their residence in the Cross. The Cross has always been from the Beginning, and it stretches out in 4 directions of the four corners, and is infinite as each direction may circulate indefinite as the East and the West, the North and the South.

In the parallel's I can list a few that apply:
The first Three commandments in the Cross are above the 4th, and the 4th is center of universe, also center of gravity between the natural and supernatural, and is the center of mental gravity as it's the Cross-road intersection of both realms. The last three commandments are an image of the Moon, and it's at the foot or below the Sun. The Sun is also an image of the first seven commandments to represent the Seven Sons, and also Jesus Christ on the Cross.

All of the natural creation are secondary after the Creation performed by the Father. All that we see was Created through the mind of man with the authority and power of the Father; the Sons created the things that we see. Our mind's have authority and power available from YHWH that the world denies. This is why we are falling, and all order goes to disorder. The world is just about at the end of the rope, and hanging on a thread.

This world can become as heaven if all humankind would take-up their Cross, standing it upright. This is what will be restored as ALL things are made new after the Cross is resurrected in each of His Sons. I just saw a movie title tonight that is: "Brother Sun, Sister Moon." It's obvious to the movie writers but why not the Christian? I won't get into that because it's another topic.

Here's the movie description:

"'Brother Sun, Sister Moon'
Biopic of St Francis of Assisi, following his spiritual transformation from the hedonistic son of a wealthy merchant to a devout monk. Appalled by the horrors of war and stricken with feverish visions, he renounces his old life and becomes a devout monk, seeking the creation of a new religious order. Starring Graham Faulkner, Alec Guinness, Judi Bowker, Leigh Lawson and Kenneth Cranham"

Notice his agenda, it's significant to the end-time fulfillment of what is coming. I've been describing this new creation order, have I not?

The Sun = male/men
The Moon = female/women

I love the things that you post because I see so many hidden gems in the imagery. Bring me more, I'm hungry for it! Thanks

 

[Gnarwhal]

Sweet Lord I hope no would-be Christians see this thread.

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[ViaCrucis]

Question:

The Bible doesn't mention to topography of Sweden.

Should I assume that because the Bible doesn't tell me about Sweden that Sweden doesn't exist? Should I assume it doesn't have a topography?

Or does the Bible simply not say anything about it because it doesn't say anything about it?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Keachian]

This calls from some Augustine to be honest;
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

I find this argument - posted here and defended by the original poster - to be the clincher in my understanding of how the first couple chapters of Genesis are seriously misunderstood by traditional thinkers.

No question in my military mind.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Question: The Bible doesn't mention to topography of Sweden. Should I assume that because the Bible doesn't tell me about Sweden that Sweden doesn't exist? Should I assume it doesn't have a topography? Or does the Bible simply not say anything about it because it doesn't say anything about it? -CryptoLutheran

I just re-read The Hobbit. There really is an Arkenstone in the heart of the Earth.

Oh I thought we were matching wild misunderstandings of texts.

This calls from some Augustine to be honest;

I was thinking it calls for a cold beer and a rewatch of all the episodes of Cosmos aired to date.

I find this argument - posted here and defended by the original poster - to be the clincher in my understanding of how the first couple chapters of Genesis are seriously misunderstood by traditional thinkers. No question in my military mind.

You should see some of the other stuff this one posts. Forget the bible, it's all about Enoch!

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[Keachian]

I was thinking it calls for a cold beer and a rewatch of all the episodes of Cosmos aired to date.

Augustine is mutually exclusive with beer and deGrasse Tyson?

 

[Gnarwhal]

Augustine is mutually exclusive with beer and deGrasse Tyson?

Touché, sir.

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[mmksparbud]

I guess the OP didn't get the memo---There was this thing called a flood:

Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Now--maybe he's under the impression that Noah brought the book into the ark and preserved it (Enoch must have gotten it to him before God took Him, as none of his family or possesions were saved) and handed it down through all those generations and somehow got it to some ancestor of Abraham before they were called Jews and that this book was passed on down to Abraham and on down to one of the 12 sons of Jacob- and then someone kept it hidden for over 400 years with the Egyptians and.............

And by the way--with Adam and Eve having been created with perfect brains and fully able to use all their brain, and passed on down to their children--did that kind of brain power need books?? At this point, only the ground was cursed, not their brain capacity--that happened after the flood along with the diminished lifespan.

Did the novel come into existance only with Shakespeare? Fiction has been written since men could think and come up with no end of stories to earn a buck or 2--or to entertain the granchildren.

 

[SG9]

I'm very limited in how I may present this because it's so very lengthy to address all details but I want to point out the basic idea that I can relay in words to explain what Enoch sees. I have highlighted the points of interest and how Enoch is using numbers to define what has been written in the Bible. Enoch wrote what he envisioned although it's quite unique in style but he is consistent even with the NT imagery and these same numbers used.

I would need to write a book in order to define this in detail so I'll need to be brief; Enoch is actually covering a great space of time in his words, and the history of both the natural and supernatural events that occur in each generation of humankind. In this, I see that Enoch is condensing the days of Creation in which the Spirit was First Created and the Law in which governs the Divine Creations of the Creator's law and order.

The numbers are consistent with the Genesis coding that I also see in the OT, and the NT scriptures. There are common similarities in how the prophets used these numbers and what they represent, and by following the common pattern that they all describe, may be decoded by a common denominator or code of system.

I see these numbers consistent with NT allegories quite clearly as to the rise and fall of mankind. Enoch is describing many portals of the Sun and the Moon, and all of the numbers do illustrate also the Image of the Cross as the pattern of the Four corners. Enoch doesn't name the Four corners as other prophets have but they are exactly the same written in other metaphors.

Enoch is describing 6 on the East, and 6 on the West, and these are proportionate measures of the Original seed that indicates an equality but the numbers being equal cannot be a righteous measure as equality cannot enter into Judgment [Isiah]. Enoch describes a tearing down of measures and a reforming (a parallel to the tearing of the curtain). He also uses the Sun and the Moon to depict the movement of the portions that were first determined by the Father Who is seen in His Sun-Son.

The Moon is also a symbol for the Three daughters who happen to be the image of the last three commandments, and much of these identities are symbolized in the various portals of the Sun. It's difficult to follow Enoch word per word but I have most of this summed up in the image of the Cross as I see the exact same things that Enoch wrote about.

The numbers can be used to offer deeper meaning but must be in context as they may be speaking about a man, a day, or a entire generation in the number 6, alone. I'll give a few clues as to what the numbers depict and then you may see what Enoch is saying.

1 being the first-day, the Father, the Seed, the Image for man, the First commander of Love and His law of Love, and also the Mother of dust, our Earth; the female side of the Seed, the other nation in the womb, etc.

2 is an Image for the second-day, the Sun, the Son, the Image for the Seven-Sons, a design of Two paths, a portal in the Sun, a clothing of the Sun, a Crown or Throne or both, and much more.

3 is complex and a portal of time when time was actually in motion on earth, when the model was put into motion, as in Speaking a WORD, and the formation of the Holy Spirit from mouths of flesh, the Third Temple, another portal in time and the Sun, a day of falling, and more than I can tell.

4 is many things as it may be depicting the Fourth-day, the Fourth commandment, the Four corners, the Covenant, the Center of gravity in either or both realms, or paths of a portal as in a two-lane highway, the Fourth Temple, fourth dimension, and more than I can tell.

5 can be an Image of the Father while also an image for Satan, and also represent the day-5 and what occurred in that day, also being a thousand years in parallel to Creation.

6 is the Image of the man who was Created on day-6, and that man was the First Seed of both male and female in one womb or casing shell. It also represents day-6 and Who did what on that day. This number is unique in the image of the 666 symbol, and given as a ratio of portions such as in the Potter mixing clay with Iron, and in the case of 666 it is an image of what man has proportioned by the authority and power of the Satan who is of the fifth portal, etc. There's more but I must be brief.

7 is the Image for perfection, the Messiah, the Seven Sons, the Cross of the First Seven commandments, a Covenant of marriage, and the REST for the male and female whom are represented by the Sun and the Moon, etc.

8 is an Image of a New beginning that follows after the Sun or the Seven and is a sign of Eternity as for the Eighth-day, and more.

9 is the day of Judgment, and all that YHWH may Judge and Execute as Judgment, and who are being Judged, etc.

10 is the Image of the Law, ten commandments, also a portal of announcement or an entrance from the 9th, which means after the Judgment then, are all of the Law restored as NEW. It's an Image of the Law in the Vertical beam of the Cross which is depicting the Spiritual raodway of the Four corners, and more, etc.

11 may be an Image for many things, and primarily the female as in twins, also the eleven Apostles without the twelfth, which is witchcraft and sin or a violation or an improper measure of Law in the Cross. It depicts an adding of an eleventh commandment to the 10, and is corrupt. It may be used to define many things within the context of usage, etc.

12 is an Image for a Crown of twelve stars, the resurrection, Godhead of the Father and Son, which is the Sum of both; Father-5 + Son/Sun-7 = Godhead-12. The Upright woman may wear this Crown but she is also counterfeited and this must be determined in the context in which it's used to interpret.

Regardless of what men say about Enoch, today they are so badly confused because they cannot find the common denominator in Imagery. The numbers say a lot more than anyone seems to recognize these days.

I disagree with scholars and their decision to discard the Apocryphal gospels as they do have incredible parallel's that the learned man cannot see because of the beams and planks in their eyes.

Every 'eye' shall see Him, not all eyes. This means that them who are raised up as standing up their Cross may then see the Light that shines forth from a portal in the Sun, and it becomes the Eighth-day.

The OP neglected the details of the Moon as it addresses the female portion of the Seed, the last three commands, three daughters at the foot of the Cross, and a refection of the fallen world that is spotted with sin, and these three command while absent from the first seven are a law unto themselves, which is as good as animal rights, and no better than the Mosaic law, etc.

Enoch is condensing the entire Bible in few words, actually. It may all be summed up in the Last-day. It's rather simple to look in the Beginning to see the Ending, and while needing not to see the center.

The East are a symbol for the Man, while the West be a symbol for the Woman.

There are two different ways to sum up the male and the female portions of the Seed, and one is by man's carnal measures while the other be a Divine ratio of measures that are determined by the Father in the first two chapters in Genesis, it's a proportioning of the Son in Flesh and His Spirit of the Father that is Upright in nature.

The human will always obey the law but the question is, which one? There is only ONE law which may remain intact in the Original design of the Cross or it may be counterfeited and reformed and written within the Gentile mind as equality in nature, which is a heaviness in Spirit that is sin.

Each sentence may be expounded in greater length so I'll leave you with this much as there are too many details to address.

Thanks for reading

I highlighted many of the things that I see quite significant for interpretation.

The Portals of the Sun
2And this is the first law of the luminaries: the luminary the Sun has its rising in the eastern portals of the heaven, and its setting in the western portals of the heaven.
3And I saw six portals in which the sun rises, and six portals in which the sun sets: and the moon rises and sets in these portals, and the leaders of the stars and those whom they lead: six in the east and six in the west, and all following each other in accurately corresponding order: also many windows to the right and left of these portals.
4And first there goes forth the great luminary, named the Sun, and his circumference is like the circumference of the heaven, and he is quite filled with illuminating and heating fire. 5The chariot on which he ascends, the wind drives, and the sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east, and is so guided that he comes to that portal and shines in the face of the heaven. 6In this way he rises in the first month in the great portal, which is the fourth those six portals in the east. 7And in that fourth portal from which the sun rises in the first month are twelve window-openings, from which proceed a flame when they are opened in their season. 8When the sun rises in the heaven, he comes forth through that fourth portal thirty mornings in succession, and sets accurately in the fourth portal in the west of the heaven. 9And during this period the day becomes daily longer and the night nightly shorter to the thirtieth morning. 10On that day the day is longer than the night by a ninth part, and the day amounts exactly to ten parts and the night to eight parts. 11And the sun rises from that fourth portal, and sets in the fourth and returns to the fifth portal of the east thirty mornings, and rises from it and sets in the fifth portal. 12And then the day becomes longer by two parts and amounts to eleven parts, and the night becomes shorter and amounts to seven parts. 13And it returns to the east and enters into the sixth portal, and rises and sets in the sixth portal one-and-thirty mornings on account of its sign. 14On that day the day becomes longer than the night, and the day becomes double the night, and the day becomes twelve parts, and the night is shortened and becomes six parts. 15And the sun mounts up to make the day shorter and the night longer, and the sun returns to the east and enters into the sixth portal, and rises from it and sets thirty mornings. 16And when thirty mornings are accomplished, the day decreases by exactly one part, and becomes eleven parts, and the night seven. 17And the sun goes forth from that sixth portal in the west, and goes to the east and rises in the fifth portal for thirty mornings, and sets in the west again in the fifth western portal. 18On that day the day decreases by two parts, and amounts to ten parts and the night to eight parts. 19And the sun goes forth from that fifth portal and sets in the fifth portal of the west, and rises in the fourth portal for one-and-thirty mornings on account of its sign, and sets in the west. 20On that day the day is equalized with the night, and becomes of equal length, and the night amounts to nine parts and the day to nine parts. 21And the sun rises from that portal and sets in the west, and returns to the east and rises thirty mornings in the third portal and sets in the west in the third portal. 22And on that day the night becomes longer than the day, and night becomes longer than night, and day shorter than day till the thirtieth morning, and the night amounts exactly to ten parts and the day to eight parts. 23And the sun rises from that third portal and sets in the third portal in the west and returns to the east, and for thirty mornings rises in the second portal in the east, and in like manner sets in the second portal in the west of the heaven. 24And on that day the night amounts to eleven parts and the day to seven parts. 25And the sun rises on that day from that second portal and sets in the west in the second portal, and returns to the east into the first portal for one-and-thirty mornings, and sets in the first portal in the west of the heaven. 26And on that day the night becomes longer and amounts to the double of the day: and the night amounts exactly to twelve parts and the day to six. 27And the sun has therewith traversed the divisions of his orbit and turns again on those divisions of his orbit, and enters that portal thirty mornings and sets also in the west opposite to it. 28And on that night has the night decreased in length by a ninth part, and the night has become eleven parts and the day seven parts. 29And the sun has returned and entered into the second portal in the east, and returns on those his divisions of his orbit for thirty mornings, rising and setting. 30And on that day the night decreases in length, and the night amounts to ten parts and the day to eight. 31And on that day the sun rises from that portal, and sets in the west, and returns to the east, and rises in the third portal for one-and-thirty mornings, and sets in the west of the heaven. 32On that day the night decreases and amounts to nine parts, and the day to nine parts, and the night is equal to the day and the year is exactly as to its days three hundred and sixty-four. 33And the length of the day and of the night, and the shortness of the day and of the night arise- through the course of the sun these distinctions are made. 34So it comes that its course becomes daily longer, and its course nightly shorter. 35And this is the law and the course of the sun, and his return as often as he returns sixty times and rises, that is the great luminary which is named the sun, for ever and ever. 36And that which thus rises is the great luminary, and is so named according to its appearance, according as the Lord commanded. 37As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal.

The Portals of the Moon
73 And after this law I saw another law dealing with the smaller luminary, which is named the Moon....

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Keep in mind that it is God who gave the "Genesis Toledot" -the writing which God gave, and which record which Moses has copied down from the patriarch's own writings, as Moses also used the ancient writings of the Patriarchs to redact their histories for the Torah account.

The libraries and sciences in Egypt -after the many years of wise Joseph's rule over Egypt- were sec ond to none, and Moses was raised as a prince in Egypt who would have even been in line to the throne, as his adoptive mother, Bathia, was the firstborn of Pharaoh -and inbreeding of the line was causing many of the sons of the pharaoh's to be "idiots" during those times, as ancient records do show].
Moses was privy to all the science and wisdom of Egypt; plus, he was instructed in all the writings of the patriarchs through his Levite tribal line and had access to all the copies of them to use for the writing of Torah accounts, of their redacted histories. The DSS apocryphon proves that they all wrote their own "testimonies" -their stories of their lives and their dreams and visions and errors and graces, and so on and so forth...

Moses was the grandson of Levi through his mother Jochebed, who was born to Levi at "the gate of Egypt" and counted as one of the seventy who entered Egypt but not listed in the genealogies of those sixty nine entering cause she was yet in her mother's womb -as the ancient Jewish writings state and which is why the discrepancy of the numbers in Torah account; but they correlate when it is understood she was the seventieth but in the womb, so sixty nine are counted entering, but seventy entered -both are correct because of the fact of she being in the womb, and born "at the gates" of Egypt.


Moses did not sit down and write the Torah in a trance of mystic dreams nor did he write Torah based on "man's perspective" of the creation. He had God's "Genesis record/account/Toledot".

So God did not lie and Genesis is correct and the heaven's were stretched out from the globe of waters, between the waters which were divided in half, on day 2. The heaven's were not named "heaven's until they were stretched out, and the Creator named them "two waters" -because two waters of creation were made from the one when the heavens were stretched out between them.
Water were named the "mayim" by the Creator, and the Firmament/expanse stretched out were named "sha -Mayim" by the Creator, by adding the "shin" element to the "mayim". The shin was written by the sign of the two front teeth, used for "cutting", so the "shin" cut the waters in two, on day two of creation week. and the heavens were stretched out between the two waters, with hal;f below the heavens and half above the creation, on day 2 of creation week.

Genesis shows us this:
the globe of waters the Creator made in the beginning completely encase the stretched out heavens, with the waters above and the waters below being energized with the powers/electromagnetic forces that uphold the heavens and the earth.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Keep in mind that it is God who gave the "Genesis Toledot" -the writing which God gave, and which record which Moses has copied down from the patriarch's own writings, as Moses also used the ancient writings of the Patriarchs to redact their histories for the Torah account.

The libraries and sciences in Egypt -after the many years of wise Joseph's rule over Egypt- were sec ond to none, and Moses was raised as a prince in Egypt who would have even been in line to the throne, as his adoptive mother, Bathia, was the firstborn of Pharaoh -and inbreeding of the line was causing many of the sons of the pharaoh's to be "idiots" during those times, as ancient records do show].
Moses was privy to all the science and wisdom of Egypt; plus, he was instructed in all the writings of the patriarchs through his Levite tribal line and had access to all the copies of them to use for the writing of Torah accounts, of their redacted histories. The DSS apocryphon proves that they all wrote their own "testimonies" -their stories of their lives and their dreams and visions and errors and graces, and so on and so forth...

Moses was the grandson of Levi through his mother Jochebed, who was born to Levi at "the gate of Egypt" and counted as one of the seventy who entered Egypt but not listed in the genealogies of those sixty nine entering cause she was yet in her mother's womb -as the ancient Jewish writings state and which is why the discrepancy of the numbers in Torah account; but they correlate when it is understood she was the seventieth but in the womb, so sixty nine are counted entering, but seventy entered -both are correct because of the fact of she being in the womb, and born "at the gates" of Egypt.


Moses did not sit down and write the Torah in a trance of mystic dreams nor did he write Torah based on "man's perspective" of the creation. He had God's "Genesis record/account/Toledot".

So God did not lie and Genesis is correct and the heaven's were stretched out from the globe of waters, between the waters which were divided in half, on day 2. The heaven's were not named "heaven's until they were stretched out, and the Creator named them "two waters" -because two waters of creation were made from the one when the heavens were stretched out between them.
Water were named the "mayim" by the Creator, and the Firmament/expanse stretched out were named "sha -Mayim" by the Creator, by adding the "shin" element to the "mayim". The shin was written by the sign of the two front teeth, used for "cutting", so the "shin" cut the waters in two, on day two of creation week. and the heavens were stretched out between the two waters, with half below the heavens and half above the creation, on day 2 of creation week.

Genesis shows us this:
the globe of waters the Creator made in the beginning completely encase the stretched out heavens, with the waters above and the waters below being energized with the powers/electromagnetic forces that uphold the heavens and the earth.

Adam was formerly in Eden above, in Paradise, and was created as "Adam son of God" before the fall [Luke 3:38] and his casting down to earth below from whence he had been removed from to be set in the Garden of God above, so as to rule over the kingdom of God from Paradise, and to build up the "temple of living stones" for the glory to indwell, gave Adam access to the "Scripture of Truth" in heaven, which God the eternal Word wrote in heaven so that the "sons of God" could read and would know His plan from the beginning to the end of this present creation.

The heavenly messenger in Daniel 10:21 told Daniel that he would show Daniel the things "inscribed in the Scripture of Truth" concerning his people for the last days, and "one binds with him in these things, Michael, your prince".. That messenger then showed Daniel the things written in the Scripture of Truth in heaven, which Daniel wrote as chapters 11,12.

Enoch read the "tablets written in heaven, by God the Word", which were "written for the angels/sons of God, to read" so as to keep/bind the erring powers to; just as the battle between the wicked heavenly prince of Persia and the heavenly messenger sent to Daniel, shows us, for that messenger had to get Michael to come help him "bind" that power over Persia to, so as to let Israel go as it was written.
Daniel 10:21, in the original:
but [I will] show [you ] [that which is] written/inscribed [in the] Scripture [of] Truth, one binds [with me in these things "written"], Michael, [your] Prince.

BLB - Dan 10: The Major Prophet Daniel 10 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

...and so we have the "Toledot of Genesis" copied by Moses for the beginning of Torah. God wrote that record, and Adam was once in the third heaven, in Eden's Paradise, and dwelt with the watcher angels there [literal Hebrew Psalm 82], and had certainly read the record of his own creation and of the creation of the heavens and the earth....

Down through the ages, the Patriarchs wrote. Moses had access to all the wisdom and writings of the patriarchs, as well as to all the wisdom and sciences of Egypt, which was made great and grand and glorious by Joseph, who reigned over Egypt from age 30 to age 110, and who conquered her enemies and brought in the age of glory for Egypt, as its ruler.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme

I guess it is forbidden to re-upload this video set, but a link is not a re-upload....
# 1 is excellent, even in the first few minutes...

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The background of those videos, with the hanging TV and the non-descript picture, leads me to believe that this man is filming from some sort of home for the mentally ill.

What the heck?!


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[yeshuasavedme]

I guess the OP didn't get the memo---There was this thing called a flood:



Now--maybe he's under the impression that Noah brought the book into the ark and preserved it (Enoch must have gotten it to him before God took Him, as none of his family or possesions were saved)

Noah lived 350 years after the flood.
Enoch's son, Methuselah, died one week before the flood.
Enoch was taken to heaven when Methuselah was 300 years old.
Noah was born when Methuselah was 369 years old, 69 years after Enoch was taken to heaven..
Shem was born when Methuselah was 871 years old.
Shem lived 502 years after the flood.

Abraham lived with Noah and Shem for 39 years. Noah died when Abraham was 58 years old.
Shem died when Isaac was 52 years old.
Shem knew Isaac and Rebecca.

Isaac was 60 years old when Jacob was born
Jacob was 127 when he entered Egypt.
Isaac died age 180, 7 years before Jacob entered Egypt

Joseph was 39 when Jacob entered Egypt, and Isaac had been dead for 7 years, but Joseph entered Egypt 15 years before Isaac died.

Abraham received copies of the Book of Enoch from Shem and Noah, when he lived with them, and read from that book to the wise men of Pharaoh when they returned Sarah and asked him to teach them "wisdom, values, and truth", as Abraham wrote in his own testimony and as can be read in the Dead Sea Scrolls Genesis Apocryphon.

God wrote the Scripture of Truth in heaven, as Enoch revealed and as Enoch read them there. In Daniel 10:21 -as I said in a previous post- the messenger form heaven sent to Daniel told Daniel he would tell him what was written in the Scripture of Truth -written in heaven.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

So: interesting discussion @ 24 minutes and on [and before that, but physics majors should be aware: Scriptures are true from the beginning, man's denials are proven false....Einstein was wrong].
Geocentrism - The Coming Scientific Revolution - 3 - YouTube