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When the Torah was written, the Greeks were nothing, and when Solomon's kingdom was in its glory, the Greeks were just a lowly group of shepherd tribes....The geocentric model, however, did not begin with the Bible. It began with the Pagan Greek philosopher Claudius Ptolemy.
When the Torah was written, the Greeks were nothing, and when Solomon's kingdom was in its glory, the Greeks were just a lowly group of shepherd tribes....
The Torah was written long before the Greeks rose up.
Don't you even read history?
From the promise given to Abraham in Genesis 15 to the law was 430 years.You have your timeline very skewed,
Israel was in slavery for about 290 years by my reckoning there is little evidence of there being so short a time between Joseph's Death and the Call of Moses.
So Jochebed, daughter of Levi, born at the gates of Egypt, bore Moses who at age 82 led the children of Israel out of desolated Egypt.What's Bothering Rashi? Parshat Bamidbar: Counted From Birth
RASHI
From one month of age and above - RASHI: When he leaves the category of a "stillborn" he is counted, to be called "guardian of the sacred watch." Rav Yehuda the son of Shalom said: This tribe (Levi) is regularly counted from the womb, as it is said (Numbers 26:59) ["And the name of Amram's wife was Yocheved the daughter of Levi] whom her mother bore to Levi in Egypt." While entering the portals of Egypt she bore her (Yocheved) and she is counted among the 70 souls [who came down to Egypt] for, when one counts their total, one finds only 69, and she completed the total.
You best read Josephus, for starters, on that, and read the history of the Greeks, for enders.History here being defined as whatever Yeshuasavedme thinks is correct at the time.
From the promise given to Abraham in Genesis 15 to the law was 430 years.
Isaac was born to Abraham age 100, Jacob born to Isaac age 60.
Jacob entered Egypt age 127
the promise was 220 years before Jacob entered Egypt.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Moses was the son of Jochebed, daughter of Levi born to Levi "at the gates of Egypt".
Jochebed was the 70th soul counted as entering Egypt, but not numbered at the going in because she was in her mother's womb, as the history of the Jews so states.
So Jochebed, daughter of Levi, born at the gates of Egypt, bore Moses who at age 82 led the children of Israel out of desolated Egypt.
Joseph ruled Egypt for 80 years, and under Joseph, Egypt rose to her glory and conquered her enemies. Jseph was 39 when Israel entered Egypt, and until after he died at age 110, Israel had the best of everything Egypt had to offer, and prospered and they blessed Egypt, aiding her in her wars with her enemies.
Jochebed was 128 when she bore Moses. Jochebed married her father's grandson, and her brother's son: Moses then, was counted Levi's generation, making four generations back to Isaac.
In the fourth generation Abraham's seed came to posses the promised land, and they were pilgrims in the earth until they entered the promised land, as promised, in the fourth generation.
Israel was in Egypt 210 years.
They were not slaves until after Joseph died, and that did not happen immediately, but by the time Miriam, named "bitter people" was born, their lives were made bitter by those who fared Israel's might, and tricked them into slavery, bit by bit...
just heard last week that astronomers discovered that the farthest known galaxy in the universe is reflecting light from a galaxy beyond it.
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When the Torah was written, the Greeks were nothing, and when Solomon's kingdom was in its glory, the Greeks were just a lowly group of shepherd tribes....
The Torah was written long before the Greeks rose up.
Don't you even read history?
Josephus, Against Appion online: the Greeks were nothing when Solomon reigned in magnificent glory from the Euphrates to the Mediterranean...quote yeshuasavedme You best read Josephus, for starters, on that, and read the history of the Greeks, for enders.
Paul, a scholar in possession of the writings, said exactly what Torah says when one adds up the ages: "from the promise to the law was 430 years".Gen 46:3-4 to the giving of the Law 430 years
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Moses was the son of Jochebed, daughter of Levi born to Levi "at the gates of Egypt".
Jochebed was the 70th soul counted as entering Egypt, but not numbered at the going in because she was in her mother's womb, as the history of the Jews so states.
What's Bothering Rashi? Parshat Bamidbar: Counted From Birth
RASHI
From one month of age and above - RASHI: When he leaves the category of a "stillborn" he is counted, to be called "guardian of the sacred watch." Rav Yehuda the son of Shalom said: This tribe (Levi) is regularly counted from the womb, as it is said (Numbers 26:59) ["And the name of Amram's wife was Yocheved the daughter of Levi] whom her mother bore to Levi in Egypt." While entering the portals of Egypt she bore her (Yocheved) and she is counted among the 70 souls [who came down to Egypt] for, when one counts their total, one finds only 69, and she completed the total.
Unfortunately, Abraham went home and took Hagar to wife at Sarah's suggestion, to get seed, and had Ishmael, and not quite 14 years later, the child of promise was born....Genesis 15: the promise:
15 After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
7 And he said unto him, I am the Lord that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
8 And he said, Lord God, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
You have it a bit skewed, but if you would just search the Scriptures, you would get it straight, if you have a heart to seek and learn what the Word teaches.Are you saying that the sun is a representation of Jesus Christ, the Son of God??--And Jesus then is the light bearer, not the actual light, that gives us the light of God??--I'm not sure I've got you right
As the Word says: they did not dwell in Egypt for 430 years, however, as they spring from Abraham's loins, they were sojourning -pilgrims and strangers- while yet in Abraham, from the time of the promise; for they did not inherit the land until the prophesied time.Exo 12:40 Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.
Actually, you do not see "the sun", and man has no idea what size the "Core/body" of it is, they cannot measure it.
The belly of the earth is Sheol, and it is "hollows", for holding the fallen chained angels and the souls of the unrepentant; and before the resurrection, for holding the souls of the righteous, who ascended with Christ and are now in Paradise above, where all justified redeemed souls go to when they depart the flesh, to await their resurrection bodies.The earth stands still and is hollow.
I heard two women say that was the most Biblical literal interpretation.
Are you saying that the sun is a representation of Jesus Christ, the Son of God??--And Jesus then is the light bearer, not the actual light, that gives us the light of God??--I'm not sure I've got you right--if that is true, then Jesus Christ, the Son of Almighty God is not the center of our galaxy--our solar system, we--represented by the earth- are the center. And that is according to Enoch, who got it from God. Did I get that right??
So are you then saying that Jesus/God (the sun) revolves around us (the earth) which is not as we've been led to believe which is-- We (the earth) who revolve around God (the sun)??
I just sort of prefer to have my world and my life revolve around God, the Father and Jeus Christ, His Son. It is His light that draws us to Him and saves us. I can't see us drawing ourselves to Him so He can save us. He is knocking on our door--we are not knocking on His.
Do you accept the rest of the bible as scripture, or just the book of Enoch?
The belly of the earth is Sheol, and it is "hollows", for holding the fallen chained angels and the souls of the unrepentant; and before the resurrection, for holding the souls of the righteous, who ascended with Christ and are now in Paradise above, where all justified redeemed souls go to when they depart the flesh, to await their resurrection bodies.
The word "Sheol/Hell" is from the root etymons for "hollow".
Sheol also enlarges herself to make room for more souls fed to her by the Satan named Death/Abaddon.
Isa 5:14 Therefore Sheol/hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
The belly of the earth is a very real hollow, with separate chambers for those held there.
Interesting that the tsunami that killed at least a quarter million souls a few years ago was caused by that great earthquake that raised the ocean floor in the Indian ocean a great bit -I think a mile, but would have to research. That is a good bit of enlarging, indeed! of earth's "hollows"
yeshuasavedme said:When the Torah was written, the Greeks were nothing, and when Solomon's kingdom was in its glory, the Greeks were just a lowly group of shepherd tribes.... The Torah was written long before the Greeks rose up. Don't you even read history?
yeshuasavedme said:Actually, you do not see "the sun", and man has no idea what size the "Core/body" of it is, they cannot measure it. You can see activities of the electric sun, but you have no idea the size of it's actual body. And as to the sun: God set His created temple in it, as He says in His word. It is made of tessellated/cut crystal [diamonds] and pillars of fire/angels/forces -I have a thread about that: http://www.christianforums.com/t7259341-6/
Yes, thank you, I do think that the "sojourning" is from when they come down to Israel out of Canaan (Gen 47) till when they left in Exodus (12:33ff) and so the time of enslavement would be smaller than in Ex 12:40
Right, as the enslavement didnt occur until after the death of Joseph--and they had been very busy "multiplying!"---But--do you mean when they came down to Egypt?--You wrote Israel.
I can find no verse where Paul says from the promise to the land was 430 years. Acts 7:6 says "they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years."
Which sounds like Paul is saying they were enslaved for 400 years.
And knowing, or not knowing the planetary alignment, nor exactly how long the Jews were enslaved, is in anyway a determining factor of who is saved and who isn't.
Actually, you do not see "the sun", and man has no idea what size the "Core/body" of it is, they cannot measure it.
You can see activities of the electric sun, but you have no idea the size of it's actual body.
And as to the sun: God set His created temple in it, as He says in His word. It is made of tessellated/cut crystal [diamonds] and pillars of fire/angels/forces -I have a thread about that:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7259341-6/
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