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I don't think so. I propose you're being unnecessarily rigid in your interpretation of scripture.IMO you just picked one with God...
I don't think so. I propose you're being unnecessarily rigid in your interpretation of scripture.
And here's one reason I have that opinion: if our planetary mechanics are so incorrect, why do our Venus-bound and Mars-bound probes arrive at their destinations?
Not sure what to make of your post. I'm agreeing with the Bible. Are you agreeing with the Bible? That passage about the sun standing still is in Joshua, not Genesis. So what does this passage have to do with the creation account? Are you saying you don't agree with astonomy? I'm saying that astronomy and the Bible do not contradict in this instance. You might want to read my post again.
Your quote does not agree with the Bible. Your astronomy is not true. You did not get that from the Bible, which does refute it. there are men of faith and belief who do study cosmology and who do agree with the Bible, however, but those you are following are men of unbelief who make God a liar, though He told us exactly that earth was created of a piece with the powers that are now the stretched out heavens and the heavens came right from here on this earth when it was still just a globe of water, and they were stretched out between the divided in two waters of this globe's waters.Originally Posted by The Outlier
They are sent out using Geo-centric co-ordinates, but they could have any point of reference, but the Bible has only one center of the creation, and that is this earth.I don't think so. I propose you're being unnecessarily rigid in your interpretation of scripture.
And here's one reason I have that opinion: if our planetary mechanics are so incorrect, why do our Venus-bound and Mars-bound probes arrive at their destinations?
I am sorry for you believing that lie, there is much proof that it is a lie and it is not believed by so many true men of science -esp those who seek truth.I'm sorry, but he has no credibility with me. Special and General Relativity are among the most well-demonstrated theories in physics. If you think they represent any theological difficulty for Christians, I suggest reading up on Dr. John Hartnett, a Christian physicist who makes his living by, in part, designing relativistic clocks.
I concur with that. I have no doubt that NASA uses the launch pad as the initial point of reference; it only makes sense.They are sent out using Geo-centric co-ordinates, but they could have any point of reference...
Don't be sorry for me; if we keep the faith we'll both share in the resurrection, which is our hope. This particular issue is not a matter of salvation or sanctification.I am sorry for you believing that lie...
You said:Your quote does not agree with the Bible. Your astronomy is not true. You did not get that from the Bible, which does refute it. there are men of faith and belief who do study cosmology and who do agree with the Bible, however, but those you are following are men of unbelief who make God a liar, though He told us exactly that earth was created of a piece with the powers that are now the stretched out heavens and the heavens came right from here on this earth when it was still just a globe of water, and they were stretched out between the divided in two waters of this globe's waters.
The heavens, then, are the "breadth of the earth" =that broad expanse stretched out/beat out which no man can measure, in which stretched out expanse God has His Mount Eden, where Paradise is, in the third heaven.
See? -The Word of God is not compatible with false science which claims that fables made up by men of unbelief who were into paganism and the occult really know better than God on how He ordered and runs His creation, and what His purpose is for it.
Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
And the sun and the moon stood still for a whole another evening and day long after the sun was ready to descend/go down in its circuit around the earth in the circle of the earth.
That is indeed in Joshua, and in the history Book of Jasher.
The sun stood still, and the moon. The earth did not stand still for Joshua nor did the earth go backwards for Isaiah, when Hezekiah chose the shadow on the sundial to go backwards ten degrees/steps.
So the sun went backwards, once, and the sun and moon stood still, in those passages; but the earth was fixed in it's place and never moved at all.
Scripture does not lie, and His Word is true from the beginning.
I hope you're not saying that Dr. John Hartnett, who I mentioned in my post, is not a "true man of science" or not "seeking truth". The man is a courageous Christian who also happens to design relativistic clocks for a living.I am sorry for you believing that lie, there is much proof that it is a lie and it is not believed by so many true men of science -esp those who seek truth.
I do not know your man, but does he say what God says?I hope you're not saying that Dr. John Hartnett, who I mentioned in my post, is not a "true man of science" or not "seeking truth". The man is a courageous Christian who also happens to design relativistic clocks for a living.
One Believing Christian man's journey, shared, on the matter:
http://www.creationcalendar.com/files/Geocentricity.pdf
Quote:
The world has just as many myths today as it had 3000 years ago. Can we help if the humanists and
Bible critics have swallowed every myth we have today [as truth] while rejecting the Truth as myth?
Having said that, we need to prove our point for we are, after all, challenging the established
[heliocentricity based] belief system. Geocentrist astronomer, Gerardus D. Bouw, Ph.D., Draco the
Dragon, The Biblical Astronomer, Vol. 12, #100, Spring, 2002.
...
Dr. Bouw again: Again, once more for the record: it has been shown at least six different ways this
century alone that the equations and physics used by NASA to launch satellites are identical to the
equations derived from a geocentric universe. Thus, if the space program is proof of anything, it
proves geocentricity and disproves heliocentricity. News Extracts, Bulletin of Tychonian Society,
Spring, 1990, #53, p. 28
You're still not getting it. I'm assuming the Bible is correct and that astronomy does not refute it. Yes, I'm saying that I believe the Bible is 100% correct. You are entitled too your own opinion; not your own facts. None of the scriptures you mentioned say that the Sun rotates around the earth. Anyways like my other post says- even in science there is no center of the universe. The Bible does not say that God is the physical center of the universe. It says He created it and that he holds it in balance.
No, God says the earth is His center of His creation.
So if you believe the Word of God is 100% correct, then do you believe it is true in Genesis 1, and that the heavens were not even stretched out from this earth until day 2, and that the stretched out heavens did not even have made for them and set in them until day 4, the sun, moon -and apparently the wandering stars/planets?
Do you believe Genesis is true from the beginning in that the heavens themselves were stretched out from this globe of water of earth's creation between the waters which were divided in two, with the stretched out heavens between them, and that the waters are still above the heavens that were raised above them on day 2 of creation week, before even the sun, moon, and stars were made and set in them?
Is that the truth you accept -or do you believe it is a lie?
Do you believe the Scriptures that teach that Paradise is in the third stretched out heaven, on Mount Eden, which is in that third story of the stretched out heaven?
Do you believe that the light commanded to be brought out of darkness on day 1 circled the earth, and was divided from the darkness which circled the earth, and that a period of the evening and morning/light and day, circling the earth = one/echad day, and that the light of day 1, then, began right here on this earth and was stretched out with the heavens then, on day 2?
I'm disappointed at the bias put forth in this thread.
The Earth revolves around the sun, and Scripture never says otherwise. Except "Enoch", which is a lie from end to end and not part of Scripture at all.The Sun Revolves around the earth: Scripture cannot Lie
No need. God has written His Law in plain view in the heavens for all with eyes to see. If you can't see it, well, sorry.The fact is that in 417 posts not one single Scripture has been brought forth to rfute the hundreds of Scriptures that show the creation is geo-centric from the beginning.
Didja know that sailors can determine their position by taking sightings of the moons circling Jupiter? Or do you have some Scripture that denies the existence of Jupiter and its satellites?without even a shred of evidence but their own imaginations
'Cause she isn't Orthodox, (or orthodox for that matter).Since she leans so heavily on the Ethiopian Orthodox Church to validate Enoch, why isn't she Ethiopian Orthodox?
Me too!I saw the sun rise this morning with my own eyes.
There's a big river boat that runs up and down the Cumberland in Nashville. I was aboard her on evening for a dinner meeting. They push her away from the dock on thrusters until she's out in the channel, and then they use the bow and stern thrusters to turn her 180 degrees in her own length. I stood up on the Texas deck and watched as the boat sat motionless and the river banks revolved around us. When the pilot got her in her marks you could hear the paddle wheel begin pounding the water back aft, and the river banks began to glide sedately past us., as I watched it from my position on this fixed in it's place earth
You need to make that trip on the General Jackson yourself, then. You'll swear that she's the center of creation.God's center of His creation; and I am watching the sun mount up by degrees over the earth ever since I watched it rise.
That part is simple baloney. The sun doesn't work like that at all, and nothing, NOTHING in Scripture says that it does.The light of dawn preceeded it, which it governs and ingathers and refracts back out in great power to all creation
Nipping in and out of "doors", dodging this way and swerving that, such wow! Such imagination! Such hogwash! This stuff alone is enough reason to consign "Enoch" to the Fiction section of the libraryin its circuit traversing the heavens, east to west; and at this spring season, coming back around to keep it's course in the fourth portal of it's magnetic path around the earth in the circle of the heavens, while ruling the dawn as it rises, dispelling the darkness.
The "word" of whoever wrote "Enoch"? Pretty sorry teacher then, IMO.That is what the Word teaches me
You're not going to get off that easy. 1. Where does it say the earth is the center of His universe? The Joshua passage says that the earth was fixed. So at that one time the earth was fixed. That works both ways, and it does not say that the earth was always fixed- at least not in that passage.
2. This is not a truth or lie question. This is a question of what the Bible means. 3. This one question does not determine whether I think the Bible is a lie. You're trying to back me in a corner and it won't work. We are disagreeing on what it means, not what it says.
It was never left out of the canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox nor of the "Scriptures/Writings deemed sacred" of the Essenes who left the Dead Sea Scrolls in the caves to be discovered last century, and so on and so forth....The book of Enoch was the most debated out of all the apocrypha. The Church Fathers were in very much at arms about this- there are many things about that book that demand attention.
In a vote of confidence, the book was left out of the canon by a margin.
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