The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

[yeshuasavedme]

-and you can get electrocuted by a lightning strike, cause you just got super fried by electric power from the heavens.
Lightning bolts are loaded with electric volts

 

[JacobLaw]

Stop lying about what I say and believe.
There is not one single gnostic statement in anything I have said.


The creation is supernatural.

We are supernatural.
Everything that elementally exists was brought into being by a supernatural act of God the Word speaking it into being.

The creation is a supernatural creation supernaturally created by the Word of God and supernaturally held together by the same Word of God.

In Him we live and move and have our being, and He is the father of the Spirits of all flesh and the father of all spirits.Hebrews 1:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:...
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom....

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.



I said:

It is frustration dealing with the constant crazy trouble some people provoke, but you are doing a good job, sometime you just have to ignore the hindrances. Stay the course and keep putting the truth out there.

 

[sculleywr]

-and you can get electrocuted by a lightning strike, cause you just got super fried by electric power from the heavens.
Lightning bolts are loaded with electric volts

but lightning is not light and light is not electric. Your argument is invalid. here is an explanation of what light is:
Over the centuries, our view of light has changed dramatically. The first real theories about light came from the ancient Greeks. Many of these theories sought to describe light as a ray -- a straight line moving from one point to another. Pythagoras, best known for the theorem of the right-angled triangle, proposed that vision resulted from light rays emerging from a person's eye and striking an object. Epicurus argued the opposite: Objects produce light rays, which then travel to the eye. Other Greek philosophers -- most notably Euclid and Ptolemy -- used ray diagrams quite successfully to show how light bounces off a smooth surface or bends as it passes from one transparent medium to another.
Arab scholars took these ideas and honed them even further, developing what is now known as geometrical optics -- applying geometrical methods to the optics of lenses, mirrors and prisms. The most famous practitioner of geometrical optics was Ibn al-Haytham, who lived in present-day Iraq between A.D. 965 and 1039. Ibn al-Haytham identified the optical components of the human eye and correctly described vision as a process involving light rays bouncing from an object to a person's eye. The Arab scientist also invented the pinhole camera, discovered the laws of refraction and studied a number of light-based phenomena, such as rainbows and eclipses.
By the 17th century, some prominent European scientists began to think differently about light. One key figure was the Dutch mathematician-astronomer Christiaan Huygens. In 1690, Huygens published his "Treatise on Light," in which he described the undulatory theory. In this theory, he speculated on the existence of some invisible medium -- an ether -- filling all empty space between objects. He further speculated that light forms when a luminous body causes a series of waves or vibrations in this ether. Those waves then advance forward until they encounter an object. If that object is an eye, the waves stimulate vision.
This stood as one of the earliest, and most eloquent, wave theories of light. Not everyone embraced it. Isaac Newton was one of those people. In 1704, Newton proposed a different take -- one describing light as corpuscles, or particles. After all, light travels in straight lines and bounces off a mirror much like a ball bouncing off a wall. No one had actually seen particles of light, but even now, it's easy to explain why that might be. The particles could be too small, or moving too fast, to be seen, or perhaps our eyes see right through them.
As it turns out, all of these theories are both right and wrong at once. And they're all useful in describing certain behaviors of light.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The power that upholds all things supernaturally is the Word of God the Word.
Enoch calls His Word of creation the very "Oath" of God.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

 

[sculleywr]

Light as Rays

Imagining light as a ray makes it easy to describe, with great accuracy, three well-known phenomena: reflection, refraction and scattering. Let's take a second to discuss each one.
In reflection, a light ray strikes a smooth surface, such as a mirror, and bounces off. A reflected ray always comes off the surface of a material at an angle equal to the angle at which the incoming ray hit the surface. In physics, you'll hear this called the law of reflection. You've probably heard this law stated as "the angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection."
Of course, we live in an imperfect world and not all surfaces are smooth. When light strikes a rough surface, incoming light rays reflect at all sorts of angles because the surface is uneven. This scattering occurs in many of the objects we encounter every day. The surface of paper is a good example. You can see just how rough it is if you peer at it under a microscope. When light hits paper, the waves are reflected in all directions. This is what makes paper so incredibly useful -- you can read the words on a printed page regardless of the angle at which your eyes view the surface.

Refraction occurs when a ray of light passes from one transparent medium (air, let's say) to a second transparent medium (water). When this happens, light changes speed and the light ray bends, either toward or away from what we call the normal line, an imaginary straight line that runs perpendicular to the surface of the object. The amount of bending, or angle of refraction, of the light wave depends on how much the material slows down the light. Diamonds wouldn't be so glittery if they didn't slow down incoming light much more than, say, water does. Diamonds have a higher index of refraction than water, which is to say that those sparkly, costly light traps slow down light to a greater degree.
Lenses, like those in a telescope or in a pair of glasses, take advantage of refraction. A lens is a piece of glass or other transparent substance with curved sides for concentrating or dispersing light rays. Lenses serve to refract light at each boundary. As a ray of light enters the transparent material, it is refracted. As the same ray exits, it's refracted again. The net effect of the refraction at these two boundaries is that the light ray has changed directions. We take advantage of this effect to correct a person's vision or enhance it by making distant objects appear closer or small objects appear bigger.
Unfortunately, a ray theory can't explain all of the behaviors exhibited by light. We'll need a few other explanations, like the one we'll cover next.

 

[sculleywr]

The power that upholds all things supernaturally is the Word of God the Word.
Enoch calls His Word of creation the very "Oath" of God.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

/Enoch didn't write the book of Enoch

 

[sculleywr]

Light as Waves



Unlike water waves, light waves follow more complicated paths, and they don't need a medium to travel through.
When the 19th century dawned, no real evidence had accumulated to prove the wave theory of light. That changed in 1801 when Thomas Young, an English physician and physicist, designed and ran one of the most famous experiments in the history of science. It's known today as the double-slit experiment and requires simple equipment -- a light source, a thin card with two holes cut side by side and a screen.
To run the experiment, Young allowed a beam of light to pass through a pinhole and strike the card. If light contained particles or simple straight-line rays, he reasoned, light not blocked by the opaque card would pass through the slits and travel in a straight line to the screen, where it would form two bright spots. This isn't what Young observed. Instead, he saw a bar code pattern of alternating light and dark bands on the screen. To explain this unexpected pattern, he imagined light traveling through space like a water wave, with crests and troughs. Thinking this way, he concluded that light waves traveled through each of the slits, creating two separate wave fronts. As these wave fronts arrived at the screen, they interfered with each other. Bright bands formed where two wave crests overlapped and added together. Dark bands formed where crests and troughs lined up and canceled each other out completely.
Young's work sparked a new way of thinking about light. Scientists began referring to light waves and reshaped their descriptions of reflection and refraction accordingly, noting that light waves still obey the laws of reflection and refraction. Incidentally, the bending of a light wave accounts for some of the visual phenomena we often encounter, such as mirages. A mirage is an optical illusion caused when light waves moving from the sky toward the ground are bent by the heated air.
In the 1860s, Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell put the cherry on top of the light-wave model when he formulated the theory of electromagnetism. Maxwell described light as a very special kind of wave -- one composed of electric and magnetic fields. The fields vibrate at right angles to the direction of movement of the wave, and at right angles to each other. Because light has both electric and magnetic fields, it's also referred to as electromagnetic radiation. Electromagnetic radiation doesn't need a medium to travel through, and, when it's traveling in a vacuum, moves at 186,000 miles per second (300,000 kilometers per second). Scientists refer to this as the speed of light, one of the most important numbers in physics.

 

[Gnarwhal]

-and you can get electrocuted by a lightning strike, cause you just got super fried by electric power from the heavens.
Lightning bolts are loaded with electric volts

Fail after fail after fail.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

but lightning is not light and light is not electric. Your argument is invalid. ...

You have not got the foggiest idea of what the "light" brought into being on day 1 is. Energy can be harnessed, but our methods for getting it are extremely primitive since the fall -esp since the fall of the tower of Babel.

God challenged Job with the fact that he did not even know where light dwells -and neither do you. In fact, I do not think you know any of the things God challenged Job with, but you do like the wisdom of foolish men who deny God's Word as true from the beginning.

Job 38:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

Job 38:

19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
And darkness, where is its place,
20 That you may take it to its territory,
That you may know the paths to its home?
21 Do you know it, because you were born then,
Or because the number of your days is great?

22 “Have you entered the treasury of snow,
Or have you seen the treasury of hail,
23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
For the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is light diffused,
Or the east wind scattered over the earth?

25 “Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water,
Or a path for the thunderbolt,
26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one,
A wilderness in which there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate waste,
And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass?
28 Has the rain a father?
Or who has begotten the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth?
30 The waters harden like stone,
And the surface of the deep is frozen.

31 “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?
32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth[a] in its season?
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth?

34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
That an abundance of water may cover you?
35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go,
And say to you, ‘Here we are!’?
36 Who has put wisdom in the mind?[b]
Or who has given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom?
Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust hardens in clumps,
And the clods cling together?

 

[sculleywr]

You have not got the foggiest idea of what the "light" brought into being on day 1 is. Energy can be harnessed, but our methods for getting it are extremely primitive since the fall -esp since the fall of the tower of Babel.

God challenged Job with the fact that he did not even know where light dwells -and neither do you. In fact, I do not think you know any of the things God challenged Job with, but you do like the wisdom of foolish men who deny God's Word as true from the beginning.

Job 38:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

Job 38:

Light doesn't "Dwell" anywhere. I know this:

Light is made of photons, a group of particles that can function as a ray, and as a wave. I know the nature of light, including that it is released in predictable packets, resultant of an electron jumping from a high orbital around the nucleus to a lower orbital.

I am a scientist. You are not, as is painfully obvious.

Please. Stay away from children with these theories because they are highly impressionable and need to actually know the way the REAL world works

 

[yeshuasavedme]

/Enoch didn't write the book of Enoch

That is your own unbelief.
Jude, the womb brother of Jesus Christ said Enoch the prophet was the author of that book of eschatology.
I go with Jesus and the early Church fathers on that one, as well as the Essenes who left the Scrolls held sacred to them in the Qumran caves, including the Book of Enoch, and where we have access to a hymn they praised God with, about the geo-centric creation:

on my copy published in 1994, translated by Wilfred G.E. Watson, I found this in the hymns on page 355,
Col XX (=XII + frags. 54 + 60)
line 4
[For the Instruc]tor, praises and prayers to bow down and entreat always,
from period to period:
when the light comes from His residence;
in the positions of the day, according to the regulation,
in accordance to the laws of the great luminary;
at the return of the evening, at the departure of light,
when the realm of the shades begins; at the appointed moment of the night, in their stations;
at the return of dawn, at the moment when it withdraws to its quarters before the light;
at the departure of night when day enters; continually.

This is speaking of the praises and prayers offered to God from dawn to dawn, “when the light comes from His residence to the return of dawn“. Following in the hymns are some of the prayers and and fragments for the entire day and night period .

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Light doesn't "Dwell" anywhere. I know this:

You sure don't know the Scriptures!

Daniel 2:

20 Daniel answered and said:
“Blessed be the name of God forever and ever,
For wisdom and might are His.
21 And He changes the times and the seasons;
He removes kings and raises up kings;
He gives wisdom to the wise
And knowledge to those who have understanding.
22 He reveals deep and secret things;
He knows what is in the darkness,
And light dwells with Him.


1 Timothy 6:
He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

 

[sculleywr]

You sure don't know the Scriptures!

Daniel 2:

20 Daniel answered and said:
“Blessed be the name of God forever and ever,
For wisdom and might are His.
21 And He changes the times and the seasons;
He removes kings and raises up kings;
He gives wisdom to the wise
And knowledge to those who have understanding.
22 He reveals deep and secret things;
He knows what is in the darkness,
And light dwells with Him.


1 Timothy 6:
He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

God "dwells" everywhere. Therefore if light moves at the speed of light (which it does), then it always dwells with God, for God is omnipresent.

By dwell, I meant that light does not live in any one location.

 

[sculleywr]

That is your own unbelief.
Jude, the womb brother of Jesus Christ said Enoch the prophet was the author of that book of eschatology.
I go with Jesus and the early Church fathers on that one, as well as the Essenes who left the Scrolls held sacred to them in the Qumran caves, including the Book of Enoch, and where we have access to a hymn they praised God with, about the geo-centric creation:

The book of Enoch was hotly debated, but never accepted as Scripture. It was retained as culturally valuable, but Enoch never returned in Genesis.

 

[topcare]

The Word of God declares that the earth is the center of the creation, and the heavens and earth are of a piece, and the heavens were stretched out from the earth on day 2 of creation week, between the divided in two waters of creation.
The early Church "Fathers" completely agree with the Word of God on the geocentric creation.

The Fathers on the Geocentric Cosmos
Scripture Catholic - GEOCENTRISM

Before there was a Church, Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, wrote the book of cosmology revealing the paths of the sun, moon, and stars and how they bring in God's years from the beginning unto eternity in perfect justice, never changing and never deviating.

So where does it say in Scripture that everything must be taken literally?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The book of Enoch was hotly debated, but never accepted as Scripture. It was retained as culturally valuable, but Enoch never returned in Genesis.

Enoch returned from his celestial tour of the creation and wrote about all he was shown. That was before he was translated in body and removed from the midst of the earth to Mount Eden above, to dwell with the Watchers there, and to serve in the heavenly priesthood.

And as to debate: it was called Scripture [meaning sacred] by the LORD Jesus and was always the book where all the foundational doctrines are laid that are only referenced in Torah and the prophets and the NT as fact, but are not relaid because they are already laid down -and God does not do it twice. Jude called Enoch, "the prophet the seventh from Adam" -precisely what Enoch called himself in his book, when Jude quoted his writing.

He is a prophet. He is the seventh from Adam. He did write his book.
He is dwelling with the holy Watcher angels in Paradise above, serving in the heavenly priesthood, and he did show John the things to come, in Revelation, and he came out of the temple in heaven dressed in the garments of human being priesthood with one of the bowls of wrath, and when John wanted to worship him, he told John not to do that, to worship God, and that he was a brethren [a human being] and a fellow prophet with him, and that the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy.


It is canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church because the Jews of Ethiopia who came into the Gospel in the 1st century never cast their manuscript copies of Enoch aside.
The Essenes also kept is as sacred writing and many fragments of many copies of it were discovered in the DSS.
There are lots of threads where you can discuss that if you want, but in this, I back up the fact of the geo-centric creation in Genesis through Revelation with Enoch's revelation of the geo-centric creation when he was shown the science of cosmology in the yearly cycles of the sun, moon, and the stars.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

God "dwells" everywhere. Therefore if light moves at the speed of light (which it does), then it always dwells with God, for God is omnipresent.

By dwell, I meant that light does not live in any one location.

Though God is omnipresent, He does have a dwelling place, and HE says so.

The darkness is light to Him, but the light is not dwelling in the darkness, for He called the light out of the darkness...
I think you will just go in circles while trying to prove yourself lacking understanding of the basics of the doctrine of creation in all these side-tracks.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Though God is omnipresent, He does have a dwelling place, and He says so.

The darkness is light to Him, but the light is not dwelling in the darkness, for He called the light out of the darkness...
I think you will just go in circles while trying to prove yourself lacking understanding of the basics of the doctrine of creation in all these side-tracks.

In Him we live and move and have our being, yet Scripture says: He comes down; He looks down; and He is with His own; or He departs from those who depart from Him.
All these terms show that the presence of God in His holiness is not everywhere....and since Adam got kicked out of Paradise above, we have been separated from that Holy presence, which is why Christ is come in flesh to be our Kinsman/Redeemer to ransom us back, for that indwelling holy presence which we receive a measure of when we are born again in Spirit, but cannot be totally united with until our bodies are regenerated -which is the adoption of our flesh into the image of the Firstborn Son.

 

[sculleywr]

Though God is omnipresent, He does have a dwelling place, and HE says so.

The darkness is light to Him, but the light is not dwelling in the darkness, for He called the light out of the darkness...
I think you will just go in circles while trying to prove yourself lacking understanding of the basics of the doctrine of creation in all these side-tracks.

You've already worn a nice little circle.

This isn't a doctrinal issue. I do not need to believe in the bull malarkey of Geocentric interpretation of Scripture that NOBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN SPACE WOULD EVER BELIEVE.

Why wouldn't I need to believe it?

I believe in one God, Father, All-Sovereign, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible: And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light from Light, True God from True God; begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, through Whom all things were made: Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from Heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man: And was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried: And He rose on the third day according to the Scriptures: And ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father: And He is coming again with glory to judge the living and the dead: And His Kingdom will have no end: And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son is equally worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the Prophets. In One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the Resurrection of the Dead: And the Life of the Age to come. Amen.

 

[sculleywr]

Enoch returned from his celestial tour of the creation and wrote about all he was shown. That was before he was translated in body and removed from the midst of the earth to Mount Eden above, to dwell with the Watchers there, and to serve in the heavenly priesthood.

And as to debate: it was called Scripture [meaning sacred] by the LORD Jesus and was always the book where all the foundational doctrines are laid that are only referenced in Torah and the prophets and the NT as fact, but are not relaid because they are already laid down -and God does not do it twice. Jude called Enoch, "the prophet the seventh from Adam" -precisely what Enoch called himself in his book, when Jude quoted his writing.

He is a prophet. He is the seventh from Adam. He did write his book.
He is dwelling with the holy Watcher angels in Paradise above, serving in the heavenly priesthood, and he did show John the things to come, in Revelation, and he came out of the temple in heaven dressed in the garments of human being priesthood with one of the bowls of wrath, and when John wanted to worship him, he told John not to do that, to worship God, and that he was a brethren [a human being] and a fellow prophet with him, and that the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy.


It is canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church because the Jews of Ethiopia who came into the Gospel in the 1st century never cast their manuscript copies of Enoch aside.
The Essenes also kept is as sacred writing and many fragments of many copies of it were discovered in the DSS.
There are lots of threads where you can discuss that if you want, but in this, I back up the fact of the geo-centric creation in Genesis through Revelation with Enoch's revelation of the geo-centric creation when he was shown the science of cosmology in the yearly cycles of the sun, moon, and the stars.

It isn't canon in the first century. And coming from a church that sprung up from rejecting the divinity of the Spirit, that's quite spurious