The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

Gnarwhal · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
It isn't canon in the first century. And coming from a church that sprung up from rejecting the divinity of the Spirit, that's quite spurious

Sculley - YSM ignored me long ago, so can you do me a favor and ask her this for me (because I've been asking ever since she first defended Enoch with the Ethiopian Church)?

Since she leans so heavily on the Ethiopian Orthodox Church to validate Enoch, why isn't she Ethiopian Orthodox? Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

yeshuasavedme · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
It isn't canon in the first century. And coming from a church that sprung up from rejecting the divinity of the Spirit, that's quite spurious

Where do you come off with that accusation against the Ehtiopian Orthodox, anyway?

There was no canon list until centuries after the LORD Jesus established His Church at Pentecost after the resurrection and ascension.
Canon lists are man made, and there has never, ever, been consensus of agreement by all the Church in all the Church age of what approved lists they should agree upon.
Bible: Whose Canon? Which Bible?

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
Where do you come off with that accusation against the Ehtiopian Orthodox, anyway?

There was no canon list until centuries after the LORD Jesus established His Church at Pentecost after the resurrection and ascension.
Canon lists are man made, and there has never, ever, been consensus of agreement by all the Church in all the Church age of what approved lists they should agree upon.
Bible: Whose Canon? Which Bible?

I come off with that because the Ethiopian Orthodox Church split off in the 2nd Ecumenical Council, which was in regards to the divinity of the Spirit.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
I come off with that because the Ethiopian Orthodox Church split off in the 2nd Ecumenical Council, which was in regards to the divinity of the Spirit.

You have not defended heliocentrism from Scripture, and to hide that you seem to be ranting off on one side issue after another with all sorts of fables of your own making.

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sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
You have not defended heliocentrism from Scripture, and to hide that you seem to be ranting off on one side issue after another with all sorts of fables of your own making.

I don't need to defend a literalist interpretation of Scripture when more logical interpretations make more sense based on what I can see with my own two eyes.

I have seen the earth orbiting the sun.

Are you calling me a liar?

Note: Calling someone a liar is against the rules of this site

Jipsah · Apr 28, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
You have not defended heliocentrism from Scripture

It hasn't been attacked from Scripture.

Enoch ain't Scripture. It is false.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 28, 2014

Amazing.
I saw the sun rise this morning with my own eyes, as I watched it from my position on this fixed in it's place earth, God's center of His creation; and I am watching the sun mount up by degrees over the earth ever since I watched it rise.

The light of dawn preceeded it, which it governs and ingathers and refracts back out in great power to all creation in its circuit traversing the heavens, east to west; and at this spring season, coming back around to keep it's course in the fourth portal of it's magnetic path around the earth in the circle of the heavens, while ruling the dawn as it rises, dispelling the darkness.

That is what the Word teaches me to know about His heavens circling the earth, and His dawn, always coming from the east, preceeding His light governor for the Day, and I watch His sun as it mounts up over the earth, and I will watch it set in the west, as it traverses it's course in the circle of the earth.

The Outlier · Apr 28, 2014

Depending on what your reference point is, it does. Astronomy says the earth rotates around the center of gravity of the solar system. normally that is the centroid of the sun, but not always. The Bible says the sun stood still in the sky. The sky was the reference point. Nothing in there says that the earth does not rotate around the sun.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 28, 2014

The Outlier said:
Depending on what your reference point is, it does. Astronomy says the earth rotates around the center of gravity of the solar system. normally that is the centroid of the sun, but not always. The Bible says the sun stood still in the sky. The sky was the reference point. Nothing in there says that the earth does not rotate around the sun.

Astronomy is not an entity, and only men of unbelief in the Truth of the Scriptures, who base their opinions on the untested and pagan and occult theories of wicked men of the past make the claims of there being an entity called "astronomy", which they believe denies Scripture as truth from the beginning.
There was no sky when the heavens and the earth were created, as Genesis records in chapter 1. God's reference point of all creation from Genesis 1 on is the earth. The center of the earth is Mount Zion in Israel. Before it was named, He made it the center of creation.

The Scripture is true from the beginning, and the sun revolves and circles the earth in the circle of the heavens, while the earth remains fixed. That is Bible cosmology, and Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, gave the science of the heavenly bodies circling the earth and their paths in their seasons.

As to the science falsely so called: there are plenty of men of faith who are astronomers and who counter the deceptions of the deceived and also willfully deceiving, who call themselves "astronomers" but who are falsely so called.

There are also men of unbelief in the Word who also do not believe the heliocentric view, but who will not promote it because it makes our lives have a true purpose and our earth have a true purpose, and in the end, makes one accountable to the Creator....for that reason, Hubble, as well as others, would not accept the truth that tests prove a geo-centric creation, and so they made up stories to cleverly change the results -by fudging the results...

sculleywr · Apr 28, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
Amazing.
I saw the sun rise this morning with my own eyes, as I watched it from my position on this fixed in it's place earth, God's center of His creation; and I am watching the sun mount up by degrees over the earth ever since I watched it rise.

The light of dawn preceeded it, which it governs and ingathers and refracts back out in great power to all creation in its circuit traversing the heavens, east to west; and at this spring season, coming back around to keep it's course in the fourth portal of it's magnetic path around the earth in the circle of the heavens, while ruling the dawn as it rises, dispelling the darkness.

That is what the Word teaches me to know about His heavens circling the earth, and His dawn, always coming from the east, preceeding His light governor for the Day, and I watch His sun as it mounts up over the earth, and I will watch it set in the west, as it traverses it's course in the circle of the earth.

Had you been on Mars, you would have seen the sunrise, as the camera flew out to Mars saw:
http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/video-shows-sunrise-and-sunset-on-mars-in-true-color

yeshuasavedme · Apr 28, 2014

The dawn ascends/rises over the earth. The sun follows it, ascending/rising over the earth in the circle/heavens of this globe called earth.

עָלָה `alah to go up, ascend, climb

Isa 40:21,22
Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
It is he that sitteth/dwelleth [in] the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

ChetSinger · Apr 28, 2014

Scripture doesn't lie: from the earth's point of view, the sun truly revolves around it.

Yet from the point of view of the solar system's center of mass, all of the planets revolve around the sun.

Either point of view can be chosen. In fact, any point of view can be chosen. The Bible chooses the earth's point of view, which I think is sensible because it's where we spend our lives.

But our understanding of planetary mechanics is clearly correct, otherwise the probes we've aimed at Venus and Mars would never have arrived.

I see no fight to be picked among us.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 28, 2014

ChetSinger said:
Scripture doesn't lie: from the earth's point of view, the sun truly revolves around it.

Yet from the point of view of the solar system's center of mass, all of the planets revolve around the sun.

Either point of view can be chosen. In fact, any point of view can be chosen. The Bible chooses the earth's point of view, which I think is sensible because it's where we spend our lives.

But our understanding of planetary mechanics is clearly correct, otherwise the probes we've aimed at Venus and Mars would never have arrived.

I see no fight to be picked among us.

IMO you just picked one with God, in that He is the author of the Word and His POV is that the earth is first, and is the center of the entire creation.
He details its beginning quite clearly through Moses' use of the "Toledot of the Beginning/Genesis".

There was not even a sun or moon nor the wandering stars/planets until day 4.

There was not even stories of heavens stretched out from the earth between the divided in two waters of this globe called earth until day 2.

It is His story, not ours, and He told it like it is, and earth is the center and His plan revolves around earth and the sons of God of the human being kind being made sons of God for building the City of God for His Glory to indwell, and to "Plant the heavens" by them.

sculleywr · Apr 28, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
The dawn ascends/rises over the earth. The sun follows it, ascending/rising over the earth in the circle/heavens of this globe called earth.

עָלָה `alah to go up, ascend, climb

Isa 40:21,22
Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
It is he that sitteth/dwelleth [in] the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Wait. Are you now saying the temple is the earth itself?

Circle doesn't mean heavens. In fact, circle isn't even the right word. Sphere is the right word. The sun rises on Mars, too. But you ignore that.

sculleywr · Apr 28, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
IMO you just picked one with God, in that He is the author of the Word and His POV is that the earth is first, and is the center of the entire creation.
He details its beginning quite clearly through Moses' use of the "Toledot of the Beginning/Genesis".

There was not even a sun or moon nor the wandering stars/planets until day 4.

There was not even stories of heavens stretched out from the earth between the divided in two waters of this globe called earth until day 2.

It is His story, not ours, and He told it like it is, and earth is the center and His plan revolves around earth and the sons of God of the human being kind being made sons of God for building the City of God for His Glory to indwell, and to "Plant the heavens" by them.

It is our story AND God's story. God made the earth to go around the sun. EVERY SINGLE SATELLITE tells that story. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WENT TO SPACE tells that story.

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church tells that story.

You're out of friends. You're speaking a falsehood. It has been proven wrong time and again.

Now, for the sake of everything that is holy, leave.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 28, 2014

I have been here ten years as of May 31, and some upstart here three years next July tells me to leave?

HA!

sculleywr · Apr 28, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
I have been here ten years as of May 31, and some upstart here three years next July tells me to leave?

HA!

Seniority does not matter in the face of one's denial of reality as seen by people and taught by real science.

You lie about a conspiracy theory to repress your beliefs. The truth is that your beliefs are NOT the truth and are NOT necessary to salvation.

It is the authority of every believer to tell people who spread false teaching and misuse or abuse Scripture to silence their teaching.

Granted, I don't actually expect you to leave, just as I don't expect you to have enough faith to really test your theory by launching yourself into space and relying on your geocentric mathematics to bring you back, because you know it wouldn't work and don't want to prove yourself wrong. It also has something to do with the fact that nobody is going to spend millions of dollars to disprove a crackpot theory.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 28, 2014

The Sun Revolves around the earth: Scripture cannot Lie
The fact is that in 417 posts not one single Scripture has been brought forth to rfute the hundreds of Scriptures that show the creation is geo-centric from the beginning.

In fact: not even a peep from those who have received the science falsely so called which denies the Word of God as truth from the beginning to refute the first chapter of the Beginnings on the heavens not even stretched out from the earth until day 2 and between the divided in two waters of this created globe.

Think about that: they have followed men who were outright pagan and occult in their beliefs who denied the truth of the Word of God on geocentrism without even a shred of evidence but their own imaginations to invent their fables from, and then they cannot even deal with the fact that the Word tells us that the heavens were not even "out there" separate from the earth, but were "right here" where it all started, and were not even stretched out from the "here" until day 2, and that between the waters which were cut in two on day two for those heavens to be stretched out between!

So no heavens at all were stretched out from this earth until day 2, and they had their beginning right here at this earth on day 2, and are stretched out between the waters of this globe which were divided in two on day 2.

Deal with that? -they cannot; but they sure can deny it as Truth!

The Outlier · Apr 28, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
Astronomy is not an entity, and only men of unbelief in the Truth of the Scriptures, who base their opinions on the untested and pagan and occult theories of wicked men of the past make the claims of there being an entity called "astronomy", which they believe denies Scripture as truth from the beginning.
There was no sky when the heavens and the earth were created, as Genesis records in chapter 1. God's reference point of all creation from Genesis 1 on is the earth. The center of the earth is Mount Zion in Israel. Before it was named, He made it the center of creation.

The Scripture is true from the beginning, and the sun revolves and circles the earth in the circle of the heavens, while the earth remains fixed. That is Bible cosmology, and Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, gave the science of the heavenly bodies circling the earth and their paths in their seasons.

As to the science falsely so called: there are plenty of men of faith who are astronomers and who counter the deceptions of the deceived and also willfully deceiving, who call themselves "astronomers" but who are falsely so called.

There are also men of unbelief in the Word who also do not believe the heliocentric view, but who will not promote it because it makes our lives have a true purpose and our earth have a true purpose, and in the end, makes one accountable to the Creator....for that reason, Hubble, as well as others, would not accept the truth that tests prove a geo-centric creation, and so they made up stories to cleverly change the results -by fudging the results...

Not sure what to make of your post. I'm agreeing with the Bible. Are you agreeing with the Bible? That passage about the sun standing still is in Joshua, not Genesis. So what does this passage have to do with the creation account? Are you saying you don't agree with astonomy? I'm saying that astronomy and the Bible do not contradict in this instance. You might want to read my post again.

The Outlier · Apr 28, 2014

Scientific fact: There is no data point 0,0,0 in space. Everything is moving. The sun is moving too. Everything rotates around something else. So saying the sun rotates around the earth is a matter of perspective, because nothing is anchored to anything.

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