The strongest argument for the existence of God

[Matt5]

When someone frames a group as "nasty" "gas-lighting" evil people they no longer have to take anything someone from that group says seriously. At that point, they don't have to scrutinize their own position and can rest comfortably there.

Atheism as practiced today is not really about debating the existence of god, even if there is some of that. It's not really about complaining about religions, even if there is some of that. No, atheism is really about something else.

What does atheism have to do with religion? They were written by men because there is no god, remember? The Bible is just another book. So why the attacks on a book written by ordinary men?

Because atheism is really about rewriting the rules of right and wrong based on the rules of equality. Equality being the dominate force in the West today. Equality is now elevated to status of religion. And the religion of equality shouldn't have to compete against another religion - Christianity.

Atheism today is mostly about undermining Christianity and promoting its own religion. The debate about god is just a smokescreen.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Atheism as practiced today is not really about debating the existence of god, even if there is some of that. It's not really about complaining about religions, even if there is some of that. No, atheism is really about something else.

What does atheism have to do with religion? They were written by men because there is no god, remember? The Bible is just another book. So why the attacks on a book written by ordinary men?

Because atheism is really about rewriting the rules of right and wrong based on the rules of equality. Equality being the dominate force in the West today. Equality is now elevated to status of religion. And the religion of equality shouldn't have to compete against another religion - Christianity.

Atheism today is mostly about undermining Christianity and promoting its own religion. The debate about god is just a smokescreen.

No atheist is required to join social movements. They don't even have to spend one single waking moment thinking about equality to be an atheist.

It might feel good to say things like "atheism is a religion" because that would make them incapable of rejecting religion because that means they need to reject their own ideology. But such an argument is only convincing to people who don't want to view any atheist as rational.

I guess a question would be, do you even believe there are people who aren't convinced of the existence of any gods?

 

[zoidar]

None of them were eyewitness accounts.

Do you think it's strange there aren't any eyewitness accounts outside of the Bible?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have not found any evidence that has convinced me that a god exists.

The earth is filled with cause-and-effect evidence of God:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is also curious that all we know about Jesus is from the bible.

Did George Washington exist? if so, how do you know apart from cause-and-effect evidence?

 

[AV1611VET]

None of them were eyewitness accounts.

QV please:

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,

SOURCE

 

[TLK Valentine]

The earth is filled with cause-and-effect evidence of God:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

Are you suggesting that if people hadn't done all those things, God wouldn't exist?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you suggesting that if people hadn't done all those things, God wouldn't exist?

No.

In cause-and-effect, the cause comes first, then the evidence.

 

[Matt5]

No atheist is required to join social movements. They don't even have to spend one single waking moment thinking about equality to be an atheist.

It might feel good to say things like "atheism is a religion" because that would make them incapable of rejecting religion because that means they need to reject their own ideology. But such an argument is only convincing to people who don't want to view any atheist as rational.

I guess a question would be, do you even believe there are people who aren't convinced of the existence of any gods?

Yes.

I'm not talking about atheism as a religion. I'm talking about atheists as members of a religion that includes non-atheists as well. They just don't call it a religion but they act like it is a religion. These are the rules of right and wrong that cannot be questioned.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

The earth is filled with cause-and-effect evidence of God:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

Welp, I'm off to shred my Atheist membership card!

 

[AV1611VET]

Welp, I'm off to shred my Atheist membership card!

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Do you think it's strange there aren't any eyewitness accounts outside of the Bible?

Well I don't consider the accounts in the bible eyewitness accounts. They are accounts of eyewitness accounts. To answer your question I would expect more eyewitness accounts of the events in the bible around Jesus to be in other sources.

Eyewitness accounts are not reliable anyway. We have many more direct eyewitness accounts of big foot and aliens and ghosts today. We can even go talk to people that have seen these things. Yet I doubt you believe them due to the extraordinary nature of their accounts.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

The earth is filled with cause-and-effect evidence of God:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

I am not trying to be snarky but are you serious that these are good evidence that god exists?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

QV please:

SOURCE

I am ok with a real person that these stories are based around. What is the evidence the miracles surrounding this person are true? Do all these scholars agree that he was god and the miracles really happened? If so, what is the evidence that convinces them?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Did George Washington exist? if so, how do you know apart from cause-and-effect evidence?

I am not questioning a person really existed these stories are based on. I am wanting evidence the miracles happened. If there were accounts of GW doing miracles decades after he did them by non eyewitnesses, I would need more evidence for that as well even though I believe GW existed.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am not trying to be snarky but are you serious that these are good evidence that god exists?

Yes.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Atheism as practiced today is not really about debating the existence of god, even if there is some of that. It's not really about complaining about religions, even if there is some of that. No, atheism is really about something else.

Wow, no one told me about this alternate agenda.

What does atheism have to do with religion? They were written by men because there is no god, remember? The Bible is just another book. So why the attacks on a book written by ordinary men?

Because believers in that book have promoted immorality stemming from their belief it is true such as slavery, oppression of others etc. It affects me and other people in a negative way, this is the real reason we question the bible and the faith.

Because atheism is really about rewriting the rules of right and wrong based on the rules of equality. Equality being the dominate force in the West today. Equality is now elevated to status of religion. And the religion of equality shouldn't have to compete against another religion - Christianity.

Atheism today is mostly about undermining Christianity and promoting its own religion. The debate about god is just a smokescreen.

Atheism is a disbelief in any gods. That is it. Any other philosophy an atheist has stems from that particular philosophy not atheism.

What do you mean by the religion of equality and why is it bad?

 

[InterestedAtheist]

There are non-Christian sources of Jesus:

These are mostly not sources about Jesus, but about Christianity and Christians. They tell us very little about Jesus himself.

 

[AV1611VET]

These are mostly not sources about Jesus, but about Christianity and Christians. They tell us very little about Jesus himself.

Is there a BOLO for Him or something?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No.

In cause-and-effect, the cause comes first, then the evidence.

But you're claiming that "God" is the cause of those effects -- the truth is that belief in God is the cause....