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The Revelation was written well after the destruction of Jerusalem. The 5 horsemen are 5 Christian superpowers who each rule for a thousand years.
That would not be true! It certainly was tread under...what do you call what the Romans did to it? Why was it called a Roman/Jewish war that went from 66-70 A.D.?
Where the problem is is you don't realize in Revelation 18 when it says "Babylon is Fallen" it's speaking of Jerusalem and the temple! Revelation 18:21-24 should make it obvious that it is Jerusalem:
21 Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer.
22 And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you any longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer;
23 and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth.
How one can deny this is Jerusalem is beyond me!!! You miss the boat on this when you think Revelation was written in 95 A.D. IT WAS NOT!
This is why Jesus uttered His lament over Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37-39:
37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!
The "Fallen Babylon" is that!
No one knows the hour, it will come like a thief in the night. Focus on our most Holy Triune God full of mercy and grace.
(EDIT: Sorry, I didn't realize this was on the End of the World sub-forum, I guess this is the point of this discussion, ignore my comment)
Ebed,
While doing some research on gematria and Obama, I came across this site: Is the Man of Sin Revealed?
OK, so there is the reference to Nero in 666 in Rev. But you would be hard pressed to find anything else. This is why in Protestant interp, "systematic treatments overrule incidental references." When that is combined with "didactic passages overrule symbolic ones," it weakens attention to 666 quite a bit. Better to grasp I Jn 2 & 4 about antichrist than Rev.
--Inter
I didn't say it was. If you read through the information, it seems hard to deny.what makes you think gematria is true?
Babylon the great harlot is a giant monkey that sits on seven bananna peels. A giant guerilla briefly had his way with her and he the antichrist will command all the world to worship his giant bananna.
I'm not making this up.....really!![/I needed a good laugh today.
No problem. But something interesting in Revelation 3:3 "If you shall NOT WATCH, I WILL come upon you as a thief, and you WILL NOT KNOW what hour I come upon you." (emphasis mine)
That sentence is equivalent to "If you SHALL WATCH, I will NOT come upon you as a thief, and you WILL KNOW what hour I come upon you."
And the verse everyone quotes "Of that day and hour no man knows, no, not even the angels in heaven, but My Father only."
That verse does not speak of the return of Yeshua (Jesus). It speaks of the passing away of heaven and earth.
The passage actually reads...
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only"
Matthew 24:35-36
That site you referenced says that the number of the beast should be calculated using English gematria, rather than Hebrew or Greek. But what about someone who's name equals 666 using English, Hebrew and Greek gematria? That makes sense because it should be the Antichrist's language, the Hebrew's language, and the trade language of the day the Revelation was given, Greek.
Look at this theunholygodhead.com/Documents/The%20Prince%20Who%20Is%20To%20Come%20-%20Monte%20Judah.pdf
I say this with the hope that you will watch just as the Lord commanded.
-LvB-
>>> theunholygodhead.com/Documents/The%20Prince%20Who%20Is%20To%20Come%20-%20Monte%20Judah.pdf
Monte Judah
I agree with most of your torah teachings and listen in on almost every Sabbath, but you can't drop a letter like W- Vav or Waw - and give it a Zero value and say that it is evidence.
Prince Charles of Wales is a title, his name is
Charles Philip Arthur George = 1610 in Hebrew Gematria
the transliteration of "Prince Charles of Wales" is definitely subjective
English to Hebrew
google/translate + numberman = 971
numberman.net/Hebrew_Gem_Calculator.html
also, had you given a link to your transliteration Monte, that would have been much appreciated.
I know many people have spoken about the End of Days and the Return of the Lord, and some may have spoken about what I am about to say, but I have to say it anyway.
I'm not going to try to convince anyone that there is no pre-trib rapture. We are going through the tribulation. And I pray that none of you will fall away from the faith when you find out your in the middle of it, not raptured. But if we are going through the tribulation we will need to be ready.
I did NOT come up with this information myself.
For the timing of the tribulation, please look here:
Daniels Timeline Home
I certainly hope you will read and understand this article, as important as it is.
Of course. God speaks English in Heaven, don'tcha know? (Probably because He's an American.)Did the Architect of the whole universe orchestrate the dominant global language - English ?
Okay, to start with, W is NOT the equivalent to Vav or Waw. Yes, it makes the same sound, it is the grammatical equivalent, but we're talking numerical values here. A Hebrew letter's value is represented by it's position in the alephbet, not by the sound it makes. The reason W is given a value of 0 is because the Hebrew alephbet has only 22 letters, while the English alphabet has 26. Therefore, the last four letters of the English alphabet have no value.
I'm not sure if this point is valid because it doesn't specify which name. His title is a name.
You have mistakenly assumed that google's translate tool is accurate. I translated "Prince Charles of Wales" into Hebrew using that tool and I see some problems already. First, you will notice the first letter, on the right, is "Heh" which means "the". So the translation is already messed up by calling him "The Prince Charles of Wales". Second, it spells "Wales", waw-yod-yod-lamed-samech, which has two yods in a row, which does not make sense. Thirdly, Monte Judah got his transliteration by looking at how the Israeli press spells Prince Charles' name in the newspapers. They spell it "Nasich Charles Mem Wales" spelled in Hebrew letters, of course. That title just happens to equal 666.
As you can see above, I have taken the liberty of telling you where he got his transliteration.
-LvB-
Of course. God speaks English in Heaven, don'tcha know? (Probably because He's an American.)
BTW, Architect of the Universe? You done took up with the Freemasons?
And I do so love gematria (or whatever the pseudo-religious term for numeromancy is). It's just another form of witch-doctory, and would be equally as predictive if all the numbers used were ground out by a random number algorithm.
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