The Source of the Trinity

[Erik Nelson]

How is Jesus in the Father?

Jesus is in the bosom of the Father ?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Jesus is in the bosom of the Father ?

John 14:10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don’t come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work.

John 14 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Jesus reveals spiritual truths
14 1-4 “You must not let yourselves be distressed—you must hold on to your faith in God and to your faith in me. There are many rooms in my Father’s House. If there were not, should I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? It is true that I am going away to prepare a place for you, but it is just as true that I am coming again to welcome you into my own home, so that you may be where I am. You know where I am going and you know the road I am going to take.”

5 “Lord,” Thomas remonstrated, “we do not know where you’re going, and how can we know what road you’re going to take?”

6-7 “I myself am the road,” replied Jesus, “and the truth and the life. No one approaches the Father except through me. If you had known who I am, you would have known my Father. From now on, you do know him and you have seen him.”

Jesus explains his relationship with the Father
8 Then Philip said to him, “Show us the Father, Lord, and we shall be satisfied.”

9-14 “Have I been such a long time with you,” returned Jesus, “without your really knowing me, Philip? The man who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The very words I say to you are not my own. It is the Father who lives in me who carries out his work through me. Do you believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? But if you cannot, then believe me because of what you see me do. I assure you that the man who believes in me will do the same things that I have done, yes, and he will do even greater things than these, for I am going away to the Father. Whatever you ask the Father in my name, I will do—that the Son may bring glory to the Father. And if you ask me anything in my name, I will grant it.

Jesus promises the Spirit
15-20 “If you really love me, you will keep the commandments I have given you and I shall ask the Father to give you someone else to stand by you, to be with you always. I mean the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, for it can neither see nor recognise that Spirit. But you recognise him, for he is with you now and will be in your hearts. I am not going to leave you alone in the world—I am coming to you. In a very little while, the world will see me no more but you will see me, because I am really alive and you will be alive too. When that day come, you will realise that I am in my Father, that you are in me, and I am in you.

21 “Every man who knows my commandments and obeys them is the man who really loves me, and every man who really loves me will himself be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and make myself known to him.”

22 Then Judas (not Iscariot), said, “Lord, how is it that you are going to make yourself known to us but not to the world?”

23-24 And to this Jesus replied, “When a man loves me, he follows my teaching. Then my Father will love him, and we will come to that man and make our home within him. The man who does not really love me will not follow my teaching. Indeed, what you are hearing from me now is not really my saying, but comes from the Father who sent me.

25-26 “I have said all this while I am still with you. But the one who is coming to stand by you, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will be your teacher and will bring to your minds all that I have said to you.

27-31 “I leave behind with you—peace; I give you my own peace and my gift is nothing like the peace of this world. You must not be distressed and you must not be daunted. You have heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you really loved me, you would be glad because I am going to my Father, for my Father is greater than I. And I have told you of it now, before it happens, so that when it does happen, your faith in me will not be shaken. I shall not be able to talk much longer to you for the spirit that rules this world is coming very close. He has no hold over me, but I go on my way to show the world that I love the Father and do what he sent me to do ... Get up now! Let us leave this place.

John 13:23Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

The Parallel of "I am in the Father and the Father is in me" does not lend itself to your question. It would be like saying "I am in John and John is in me" --- that does not work.

I am enjoying our polite discussion, friend.

 

[Erik Nelson]

John 14:10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don’t come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work.

John 14 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Jesus reveals spiritual truths
14 1-4 “You must not let yourselves be distressed—you must hold on to your faith in God and to your faith in me. There are many rooms in my Father’s House. If there were not, should I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? It is true that I am going away to prepare a place for you, but it is just as true that I am coming again to welcome you into my own home, so that you may be where I am. You know where I am going and you know the road I am going to take.”

5 “Lord,” Thomas remonstrated, “we do not know where you’re going, and how can we know what road you’re going to take?”

6-7 “I myself am the road,” replied Jesus, “and the truth and the life. No one approaches the Father except through me. If you had known who I am, you would have known my Father. From now on, you do know him and you have seen him.”

Jesus explains his relationship with the Father
8 Then Philip said to him, “Show us the Father, Lord, and we shall be satisfied.”

9-14 “Have I been such a long time with you,” returned Jesus, “without your really knowing me, Philip? The man who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The very words I say to you are not my own. It is the Father who lives in me who carries out his work through me. Do you believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? But if you cannot, then believe me because of what you see me do. I assure you that the man who believes in me will do the same things that I have done, yes, and he will do even greater things than these, for I am going away to the Father. Whatever you ask the Father in my name, I will do—that the Son may bring glory to the Father. And if you ask me anything in my name, I will grant it.

Jesus promises the Spirit
15-20 “If you really love me, you will keep the commandments I have given you and I shall ask the Father to give you someone else to stand by you, to be with you always. I mean the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, for it can neither see nor recognise that Spirit. But you recognise him, for he is with you now and will be in your hearts. I am not going to leave you alone in the world—I am coming to you. In a very little while, the world will see me no more but you will see me, because I am really alive and you will be alive too. When that day come, you will realise that I am in my Father, that you are in me, and I am in you.

21 “Every man who knows my commandments and obeys them is the man who really loves me, and every man who really loves me will himself be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and make myself known to him.”

22 Then Judas (not Iscariot), said, “Lord, how is it that you are going to make yourself known to us but not to the world?”

23-24 And to this Jesus replied, “When a man loves me, he follows my teaching. Then my Father will love him, and we will come to that man and make our home within him. The man who does not really love me will not follow my teaching. Indeed, what you are hearing from me now is not really my saying, but comes from the Father who sent me.

25-26 “I have said all this while I am still with you. But the one who is coming to stand by you, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will be your teacher and will bring to your minds all that I have said to you.

27-31 “I leave behind with you—peace; I give you my own peace and my gift is nothing like the peace of this world. You must not be distressed and you must not be daunted. You have heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you really loved me, you would be glad because I am going to my Father, for my Father is greater than I. And I have told you of it now, before it happens, so that when it does happen, your faith in me will not be shaken. I shall not be able to talk much longer to you for the spirit that rules this world is coming very close. He has no hold over me, but I go on my way to show the world that I love the Father and do what he sent me to do ... Get up now! Let us leave this place.

John 13:23Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

The Parallel of "I am in the Father and the Father is in me" does not lend itself to your question. It would be like saying "I am in John and John is in me" --- that does not work.

I am enjoying our polite discussion, friend.

"in the bosom of" was a first century Jewish expression meaning "intimately close to"

"Abraham's Bosom" was the paradise-side of the underworld, wherein rested the righteous souls with Abraham for Judgement Day

John rested on Jesus' bosom, showing he was the beloved disciple

Jesus rested on the Father's bosom (John 1:18), showing he was the beloved Son & Messiah

 

[Daniel Marsh]

"in the bosom of" was a first century Jewish expression meaning "intimately close to"

"Abraham's Bosom" was the paradise-side of the underworld, wherein rested the righteous souls with Abraham for Judgement Day

John rested on Jesus' bosom, showing he was the beloved disciple

Jesus rested on the Father's bosom (John 1:18), showing he was the beloved Son & Messiah

None of those texts relates to those texts that I posted. But, thanks for posting them, they are interesting.

 

[Erik Nelson]

None of those texts relates to those texts that I posted. But, thanks for posting them, they are interesting.

All of those texts reiterate John 1:18?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

All of those texts reiterate John 1:18?

The texts do not relate to John 1:18, in John 1:18 Jesus is Declaring, preaching the Father. The texts I quoted has to do with the nature of Jesus as God.

 

[faroukfarouk]

The texts do not relate to John 1:18, in John 1:18 Jesus is Declaring, preaching the Father. The texts I quoted has to do with the nature of Jesus as God.

The truth of God in Three Persons is in any case such a vital Biblical doctrine.

 

[Erik Nelson]

The texts do not relate to John 1:18, in John 1:18 Jesus is Declaring, preaching the Father. The texts I quoted has to do with the nature of Jesus as God.

The Word is "in the bosom of the Father" (John 1:18) is how the Son is "in" the Father, whose divine essence is "in" the Son / Word

 

[Daniel Marsh]

The Word is "in the bosom of the Father" (John 1:18) is how the Son is "in" the Father, whose divine essence is "in" the Son / Word

Hi Erik, at this point from my tiredness, I am wondering if I am having problems understanding and communicating. I think that the verses I was quoting relates to them sharing the same nature. The Bosom has to do with relationship, not nature.

Genesis 16:5
And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the Lord judge between me and thee.

Ruth 4:16And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it.

1 Kings 1:2Wherefore his servants said unto him, Let there be sought for my lord the king a young virgin: and let her stand before the king, and let her cherish him, and let her lie in thy bosom, that my lord the king may get heat.

John 1:18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Hi Erik, at this point from my tiredness, I am wondering if I am having problems understanding and communicating. I think that the verses I was quoting relates to them sharing the same nature. The Bosom has to do with relationship, not nature.

Genesis 16:5
And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the Lord judge between me and thee.

Ruth 4:16And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it.

1 Kings 1:2Wherefore his servants said unto him, Let there be sought for my lord the king a young virgin: and let her stand before the king, and let her cherish him, and let her lie in thy bosom, that my lord the king may get heat.

John 1:18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

the Father loves His Son who is of His nature?

relationship and nature are related?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

the Father loves His Son who is of His nature? Yes and He loves humans He made in his image too.

relationship and nature are related?

I guess.

I really need a nap.

 

[Ronald]

What is the source of the Trinity?
That is like asking, What is the source of God?
Asking a question like that reveals doubt, lack of understanding.
At least, of we cant understand the Trinity, Let us be obedient to Matthew 28:19. And know that we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, the God lives in us. Jesus is in us, as the Father is in him and in us .... we got company!

 

[Daniel Marsh]

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