The single biggest problem with the education system.

[Clizby WampusCat]

What is the purpose of any system making people over in their own image?

Can you explain what you are concerned about?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Teaching kids that they should think for themselves and to teach them how to think for themselves is not agony but part of being a responsible person. Of course there is age appropriate teaching. When they are young you have to have rules imposed on them but as they get older you teach them why there are the rules and the reasons behind them. So when they are on their own they can reason their own morals and come to responsible and moral decisions. Absolute moral systems are evil in my opinion, situational morals are compassionate.

Our system of morality is what God is going to have to save us from.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Our system of morality is what God is going to have to save us from.

A situational ethic morality based on reason, empathy and compassion would never come to the conclusion that would force a woman to marry her rapist, the bible does.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

A situational ethic morality based on reason, empathy and compassion would never come to the conclusion that would force a woman to marry her rapist, the bible does.

Those laws are ancient history.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Those laws are ancient history.

So what. The god of the bible instituted that law among other horrendous laws. Southern US slavery is history as well, those laws were still immoral. Morality based on the Bible is non compassionate and often times leads to pain and suffering, mostly by women.

 

[timothyu]

The god of the bible instituted that law among other horrendous laws. Southern US slavery is history as well, those laws were still immoral. Morality based on the Bible is non compassionate and often times leads to pain and suffering, mostly by women.

Are you sure you are not confusing the laws of God with the laws of the rabbis?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Are you sure you are not confusing the laws of God with the laws of the rabbis?

Where does it say that god disagreed with these laws? God allowed this practice when he could have stopped it. Same with beating slaves etc. Deut 18-23 or so has many immoral commands that few Christians would advocate for today.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Where does it say that god disagreed with these laws? God allowed this practice when he could have stopped it. Same with beating slaves etc. Deut 18-23 or so has many immoral commands that few Christians would advocate for today.

They were necessary in their day.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So what. The god of the bible instituted that law among other horrendous laws. Southern US slavery is history as well, those laws were still immoral. Morality based on the Bible is non compassionate and often times leads to pain and suffering, mostly by women.

I'm a Christian and I've never had slaves, or mistreated women (since becoming a Christian that is ). I do lack compassion for some people however, mostly those who don't agree with me.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

They were necessary in their day.

I disagree. I don't think it is ever necessary to enslave another, beat a slave or force women to marry rapists etc.

My point is that morality based on reason and humanism leads to a better moral society than basing it on an absolute standard.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I disagree. I don't think it is ever necessary to enslave another, beat a slave or force women to marry rapists etc.

My point is that morality based on reason and humanism leads to a better moral society than basing it on an absolute standard.

How's that working out for us?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

I'm a Christian and I've never had slaves, or mistreated women (since becoming a Christian that is ).

Yes, because you have better morals than the god of the bible does. Most Christians do.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

How's that working out for us?

Where has this been the predominant method to determine morals? It works for my kids and kids that are taught this way. Most of the people in the US are and always have been religious and don't use reasoned morals to make decisions. I don't think that has worked out for us too well at all.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Where has this been the predominant method to determine morals? It works for my kids and kids that are taught this way. Most of the people in the US are and always have been religious and don't use reasoned morals to make decisions. I don't think that has worked out for us too well at all.

Christian morality is founded on the spiritual intent of the Ten Commandments, specifically the last five. It is not founded on the old covenant "judgments and statutes", or the rituals, found in the "Law of Moses".

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Christian morality is founded on the spiritual intent of the Ten Commandments, specifically the last five. It is not founded on the old covenant "judgments and statutes", or the rituals, found in the "Law of Moses".

The god of the bible at one point in time commanded these things. Would you follow along with these commands if you were living at the time? If god instituted these today would you be OK with them?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The god of the bible at one point in time commanded these things. Would you follow along with these commands if you were living at the time? If god instituted these today would you be OK with them?

If I were an Israelite I certainly would. Actually He might just institute them again in the future.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

If I were an Israelite I certainly would. Actually He might just institute them again in the future.

This is my point. Reasoned humanistic morality is more ethical and compassionate than following commands that you think come from a god.

 

[timothyu]

Where does it say that god disagreed with these laws? God allowed this practice when he could have stopped it.

God stops nothing as the whole idea of casting us out of the Garden was to let us suffer the consequences of our self serving actions. Jesus did give a group of them carrying on their own tradition, a good chewing out though.

 

[timothyu]

I don't think it is ever necessary to enslave another,

People confuse slavery of those days with slavery in the minds of US'ers. Slavery in old days was to pay off a debt or as a punishment for a crime (something that existed into the early days of the last century in many places), and yes as the spoils of war. Slaves often became close to their master as part of a household. With slavery in the US there was no indebtedness, just a hostile capture that was not even the spoils of a war. Prisons to today enslave those accused of crimes and use them for labour. The old concept never died.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

God stops nothing as the whole idea of casting us out of the Garden was to let us suffer the consequences of our self serving actions. Jesus did give a group of them carrying on their own tradition, a good chewing out though.

That is cruel. For example, children get raped everyday, god does nothing about it. If you could stop a child from being raped you would, right? God does not. You say children get raped because god thinks they deserve it because of their sin. Is this right?