The Sign

[lesliedellow]

Another outbreak of that chronic disease, amongst American evangelicals: end-of-the-world-itus.

So good old Harold Camping was only three years out, was he?

 

[Servant232]

• The Moon

The diameter of the Moon is 2159.14062 miles.. The verse number of the scriptures consecutive by miles from Genesis 1:1 that this number lands in, Is

• 1) The 2160th vs. Exodus 23:15

• Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat Unleavened Bread Seven days, as I commanded thee, In the Time Appointed of the New Moon (chodesh) Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and None shall appear before Me empty

The diameter of the Moon without the decimal.

• 2) 215914062/31102 Remainder = 3978th vs. Numbers 9:12

• They shall leave None of it unto the Morning, nor break any bone of it: According to all the ordinances of 'The Passover' they shall keep it.

(1+2)

• 3) 2160+3978 ~ 6,138th vs. Joshua 12:7 And these are the kings of the country which Joshua and the children of Israel smote on this side Jordan on the west, from Baalgad in the valley of Lebanon even unto the mount Halak, that goeth up to Seir; which Joshua gave unto the tribes of Israel for a possession According to their Divisions;

1) Unleavened Bread - Time Appointed - The New Moon - None

2) None - (Morning) - According - Ordinances - Passover

3) According - Divisions

• (Chapter + Verse)

• 1) 23+15 = 38

• 2) 9+12 = 21

• 3) 12+7 = 19
  • (19*2) 38

~~~~~~~

• The Earth

The circumference of the Earth north to south through the poles is 24,859.82 miles, the verse number that this number lands in, is

• 1) The 24,860th vs. Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the Whole Earth gē; until the ninth hour.

The circumference of the Earth without decimal.

• 2) 2485982/31102 Remainder = 28,924th vs. 2 Corinthians 7:7 And not by his coming only, but by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your Mourning, your fervent mind toward me; so that I rejoiced the More.

(1+2)

• 3) 24860+28924 = 53784/31102 Remainder = 22,682nd vs. Micah 7:17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of The Earth Erets: they shall be afraid of YAHUWAH Eloheynu, and shall fear because of thee.

1) The Earth - sixth - ninth = 3 hours ((On Passover))

2) (Mourning - More)

3) The Earth

• (Chapter+Verse)

• 1) 15+33 = 48

• 2) 7+7 = 14

• 3) 7+17 = 24 Hours in a day.
  • (24*2) 48

24-3 = 21

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[lesliedellow]

• The Moon

The diameter of the Moon is 2159.14062 miles.. The verse number of the scriptures consecutive by miles from Genesis 1:1 that this number lands in, Is

• 1) The 2160th vs. Exodus 23:15

• Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat Unleavened Bread Seven days, as I commanded thee, In the Time Appointed of the New Moon (chodesh) Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and None shall appear before Me empty

The diameter of the Moon without the decimal.

• 2) 215914062/31102 Remainder = 3978th vs. Numbers 9:12

• They shall leave None of it unto the Morning, nor break any bone of it: According to all the ordinances of 'The Passover' they shall keep it.

(1+2)

• 3) 2160+3978 ~ 6,138th vs. Joshua 12:7 And these are the kings of the country which Joshua and the children of Israel smote on this side Jordan on the west, from Baalgad in the valley of Lebanon even unto the mount Halak, that goeth up to Seir; which Joshua gave unto the tribes of Israel for a possession According to their Divisions;

1) Unleavened Bread - Time Appointed - The New Moon - None

2) None - (Morning) - According - Ordinances - Passover

3) According - Divisions

• (Chapter + Verse)

• 1) 23+15 = 38

• 2) 9+12 = 21

• 3) 12+7 = 19

(19*2) 38

~~~~~~~

• The Earth

The circumference of the Earth north to south through the poles is 24,859.82 miles, the verse number that this number lands in, is

• 1) The 24,860th vs. Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the Whole Earth gē; until the ninth hour.

The circumference of the Earth without decimal.

• 2) 2485982/31102 Remainder = 28,924th vs. 2 Corinthians 7:7 And not by his coming only, but by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your Mourning, your fervent mind toward me; so that I rejoiced the More.

(1+2)

• 3) 24860+28924 = 53784/31102 Remainder = 22,682nd vs. Micah 7:17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of The Earth Erets: they shall be afraid of YAHUWAH Eloheynu, and shall fear because of thee.

1) The Earth - sixth - ninth = 3 hours ((On Passover))

2) (Mourning - More)

3) The Earth

• (Chapter+Verse)

• 1) 15+33 = 48

• 2) 7+7 = 14

• 3) 7+17 = 24 Hours in a day.

(24*2) 48

24-3 = 21

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So how much are you prepared to bet on Sunday not being the same as any other? I will quite happily empty your piggy bank for you.

 

[Servant232]

So how much are you prepared to bet on Sunday not being the same as any other? I will quite happily empty your piggy bank for you.

If one were to have read what I have posted in this thread, they would have seen that any opinion or thoughts that are my own, one way or the other about 9/23 have not been shared...

The only things that were presented by me, did not rely on my opinion, they are what they are... Now, if you go back and read first, before assuming, even then you would still be the north end of a donkey headed south... There I shared my opinion.

Still Watching

keep your money

 

[lesliedellow]

Still Watching

keep your money

I was thinking more of parting you from yours.

 

[Dave Watchman]

So how much are you prepared to bet on Sunday not being the same as any other? I will quite happily empty your piggy bank for you.

keep your money

I was thinking more of parting you from yours.

"Do not weary yourself to gain wealth,
Cease from your consideration of it.

"But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven,
where moth and rust do not destroy,
and where thieves do not break in and steal.

 

[Radagast]

• The Moon

The diameter of the Moon is 2159.14062 miles.. The verse number of the scriptures consecutive by miles from Genesis 1:1 that this number lands in, Is 1) The 2160th vs. Exodus 23:15

What if you measure it in cubits?

 

[Servant232]

What if you measure it in cubits?

I don't know, which one, what length

When the KJV was translated, the mile was the standard that was used for how far a distance it was from one place to another, point A to point B, today most nations have adopted the metric system... It is safe to go by the measurement that was used when the Bible was translated in 1769 Before all the precise measurements of the Earth and Moon were uncovered.

Matthew 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

 

[GUANO]

There is a difference between astrology and astronomy.

God gave us the lights of the heavens for "signs, seasons, days and years".

Astronomy does not divine meaning from star and planet alignments.

You can interpret the word signs in any way you like, but if the interpretation you use conflicts with supporting scripture, such as the many that prohibit divination and astrology, then the interpretation is invalid.

Acceptable use would be: calculating time, knowing the seasons, and navigation...

 

[GUANO]

I guess the next question would be why would anyone think this is astrology?

The 'sign' would be impossible to 'read' unless you adopt the pagan zodiac to 'interpret the sign'. If you were not using the zodiac then you would not see the shape of a woman in the stars at all and without a map you wouldn't even know which stars make up the constellation (the constellation is not even in the shape of a person). The earliest representation of "virgo" was actually 2 constellations, "the furrow" (an irrigation trench) in the eastern sector of the constellation and the "frond of Eurea" in the western sector, this was the babylonian model and would have been the most 'accepted' in Israel. All of this requires that you adopt pagan mythology to interpret the sign. Interpreting a prophecy based on the alignment of stars is most certainly astrology and without the help of computer models the 'sign' would be invisible because it occurs during the day time.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Astronomy does not divine meaning from star and planet alignments.

You can interpret the word signs in any way you like, but if the interpretation you use conflicts with supporting scripture, such as the many that prohibit divination and astrology, then the interpretation is invalid.

Acceptable use would be: calculating time, knowing the seasons, and navigation...

Calculating time,
Measured in days:


<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

After Jupiter leaves the body of Virgo, it joins Venus in a conjunction.

From the day of that conjunction, until the "darkened" sun, is 420 days. One third of the top green bar.

From the day that Jupiter entered the body of Virgo in 2016, until the "darkened" sun, is 777 days.

I'm just sayin'

 

[GUANO]

Calculating time,
Measured in days:


<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

After Jupiter leaves the body of Virgo, it joins Venus in a conjunction.

From the day of that conjunction, until the "darkened" sun, is 420 days. One third of the top green bar.

From the day that Jupiter entered the body of Virgo in 2016, until the "darkened" sun, is 777 days.

I'm just sayin'

I'm intrigued by it all and i like to follow predictions that are made whether i agree or not but I guess we will all see what happens together. What exactly do you expect to see as a fulfillment of the sign?

 

[SeventyOne]

The 'sign' would be impossible to 'read' unless you adopt the pagan zodiac to 'interpret the sign'. If you were not using the zodiac then you would not see the shape of a woman in the stars at all and without a map you wouldn't even know which stars make up the constellation (the constellation is not even in the shape of a person). The earliest representation of "virgo" was actually 2 constellations, "the furrow" (an irrigation trench) in the eastern sector of the constellation and the "frond of Eurea" in the western sector, this was the babylonian model and would have been the most 'accepted' in Israel. All of this requires that you adopt pagan mythology to interpret the sign. Interpreting a prophecy based on the alignment of stars is most certainly astrology and without the help of computer models the 'sign' would be invisible because it occurs during the day time.

So, what you are saying is that when God speaks about constellations such a Orion and Ursa Major being His, and when He tells us He's the one in charge of rotation of the mazzaroth (the constellations including those in the zodiac), then telling us there will be signs in the stars, that God is engaging in astrology?

I think it's more likely that when the devil warped our understanding of the heavens when he formed astrology, that you and those like you are caught up in part of that deception, since you are choosing to interpret the scriptures through the lens of that lie. You won't understand what's going on until you are free from that blindness.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I'm intrigued by it all and i like to follow predictions that are made whether i agree or not but I guess we will all see what happens together.

I'm intrigued as well. Although one can never be sure until something happens. I'm just keeping an open mind until it can be definitely disproved.

What exactly do you expect to see as a fulfillment of the sign?

Well technically, the sign itself fulfills on the 23rd "with the moon under her feet". But after that the conjunction. But also as that conjunction approaches, the three wandering stars that make up her crown, make their way single file through Virgo's body. Mars, the slower of the three, begins to enter her body on the same day of the conjunction. You can see it in the screen shot as it moves from left to right just at her side. Mars, the god of war? That DID sound like astrology. I'm just thinking out loud here.

But what I think will happen, has to happen between the conjunction and the last day of this year. That's if our end time tribulation will be just like in the 371 days of Noah.

 

[Servant232]

The Bible by the Numbers of pi

Introduction: blah blah blah, blah blah blah - and then do it, and see what hidden treasures are waiting for you to discover.

It is very simple to do, extremely easy, not that hard at all, and the results are Phenomenal - Miraculous - Incredible, a gift from Above

The Process

• Make a list of verses that correspond to the Numbers of pi = 3.141592.... Starting with verse 3, then 31, then 314, then 3141....

1) 3rd verse

2) 31st verse

3) 314th verse

4) 3,141st verse

• Now the Number 31415 is more than the 31102 verses in the Bible...

• The Remainder is the verse.

• 31415/31102 ~ 313 Remainder

• 5) 313th verse

• 314159/31102 ~ 3139

• 6) 3,139th verse

• 3141592/31102 ~ 290

• 7) 290th verse

That's it, just keep adding another number of pi to the calculation.

There is a calculator available that does the permutations for you, and it is located here: GreatHim Just enter the number of the number of digits of pi that you would like to calculate by the 31,102 verses in the Bible, and that many numbers of pi are calculated for you, then displayed on the screen with the remainder, which is verse number - the complete address and the verse.


~~~~~~~ Occurrence Tables ~~~~~~~

Seven thousand numbers of pi through Seven thousand two hundred and fifty numbers of pi by the Thirty one thousand, one hundred and two verses in the Bible.

7000 - 7250


Occurrence table for the eight occurrences of the Name YESHUA / Jesus

• 888

• 7019) Joh 14:6 YESHUA saith

• +7

• 7026) Mar 5:21 YESHUA 26

• +42

• 7068) Act 8:35 YESHUA

• 49 - 7*7

• (14+21) 35

• (8+6) 14

• +86 Numbers of the Bible by pi
  

• 7154) Joh 6:53 YESHUA said = 59 > 14
  

• +70 Numbers of the Bible by pi (35*2)
  

• 7224) Mat 8:13 YESHUA said = 21

• +6 - The Sixth Occurrence

• 7230) Mat 26:52 - said YESHUA = 78 (26*3)

• +7 - The Seventh Occurrence

• 7237) Acts 25:19 - one YESHUA = 44

• +8 - The Eighth Occurrence

• 7238) Eph 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of ~Messiah~, doing the will of God from the heart; 12 > 3

• 7239) Yob 28:21 Seeing it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air. 49 7*7

• 7240) 1 Ch 16:40 To offer burnt offerings unto YHWH upon the altar of the burnt offering continually morning and evening, and to do according to all that is written in the law (Torah) of YHWH, which He commanded Israel; 56 7*8

• 7241) Psa 87:2 YHWH Loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. 89 17> 8

• 7242) 1 Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 16 > 7

• 7243) Jos 23:16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of YHWH your God, which He commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of YHWH be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which He hath given unto you. 39 > 12 > 3 (26+13) YHWH Echad

• 7244) Exo 36:6 And Moses gave commandment, and they caused it to be proclaimed throughout the camp, saying, Let neither man nor woman make any more work for the offering of the sanctuary. So the people were restrained from bringing. 42 7*6

The Eighth occurrence since 7000

• 7245) Luk 18:42 And YESHUA said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy Faith hath saved thee. 60 Mark 4:8

The first eight occurrences.

28) 1 Thessalonians 5:23 28

+ 70

98) John 9:35 (9:8)

+31

129) Mark 6:30

+1

130) John 14:6 __ ( 44+36+20) 100 - {# 7019}

+15

145) 2 John 1:7

+1

146) John 12:35

+19

165) Romans 15:30

+39

204) John 1:45 (46)

 

[DeaconDean]

What makes you sure the Great Tribulation has not yet started? If your family lived in any one of the Muslim nations experiencing civil wars as a Christian, you most likely would be suffering persecution in the form of murder, torture, rape, exile, etc. Millions have suffered this. We are protected, evil is restrained over here and terrorism is spreading with incidences here and there but it is not extreme. To them, it is. And you must realize also that most of Biblical history centers around Israel. Jerusalem will be the stumbling block -- it is and has been. The two witnesses in Israel may pop up any day and this may be the time during between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur when the 144k are sealed, yet not until after a rapture of the Church, but before the real cataclysmic events occur. I always believed that we would have to endure part of the GT because I think the last trumpet is #7 which makes me a Mid-Tribber. But I could be wrong. I always thought the GT was 3 1/2 years but maybe this first 3 1/2 years has just about transpired and the second 3 1/2 is about to start? Or it could be that the actual 1260 days will end on Sept 26 and then Israel will be left to endure the remaining 75 days. (1335-1260 = 75) It's hard to figure if the trumpets blow quickly in succession and then we see the accumulative events overlap. The 5 months of demon locusts torture should fall within the 3 1/2 years as well as the Witnesses preaching. Are they already there. I thought maybe that 15-year old kid with amazing visions may have been one since many Rabbis were taking him seriously.
That all said, you must know Revelation cannot be read chronologically and so this event in Chapter 12 does not necessarily have to come after any other events. But remember the Blood Moons that came and went?
Well, the 1st Blood moon on April 15, 2014 happens to be 1257 days prior to 9-23-2017, (which is why I brought up 9-26-2017 above). Also, problems started to occur right around that time when we withdrew troops in Iraq and ISIS formed and spread. But there are also 80+ terrorist groups who could be preparing to ignite an all out Jihad in over 80 countries where they have cells any day. Kim Jung Un could press a button this month. The Middle East is on fire, in chaos and we suffer little over here.
And don't worry about the mocking and the doubters, they seem to have lost hope that He will return someday because of their lists of historical failed returns thus far.
When the Church does leave, that means the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) will be taken out of the way and all hell will brake loose. Evil will be multiplied in everyone's life - brothers against brothers. There will be no good to hold unto when God let's them go to their own demise. We'll see soon how it all unfolds.

With all due respect, I have previously said:

You know what, after various remarks about me in this thread, I'll just take a graceful bow out and let you guys and girls, continue on.

Please do not quote me, and I will not be responding. (This applies to everybody as well)

Thank you.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Servant232]

Calculating time,
Measured in days:


<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

After Jupiter leaves the body of Virgo, it joins Venus in a conjunction.

From the day of that conjunction, until the "darkened" sun, is 420 days. One third of the top green bar.

From the day that Jupiter entered the body of Virgo in 2016, until the "darkened" sun, is 777 days.

I'm just sayin'

I see verses in the list of these eclipses.

8/4/70 until

2014

1) A total lunar eclipse - 4/15/2014 - 709922 days / 31102 verses - Remainder

2) A total lunar eclipse - 10/8/2014 - 710098 days

2015)

1) A total solar eclipse - 3/20/2015 - 710261 days

3) A total lunar eclipse - 4/4/2015 - 710276 days

4) A total lunar eclipse - 9/28/2015 - 710453 days

2016

2) A total solar eclipse - 3/9/2016 - 710616 days

2017)

3) A total solar eclipse - 8/21/2017 - 711146 days

2018)

5) A total lunar eclipse - 1/31/2018 - 711309 days

6) A total lunar eclipse - 7/27/2018 - 711486 days

2019)

7) A total lunar eclipse 1/21/2019 - 711664 days

4) A total solar eclipse 7/2/2019 - 711826 days

Lunar

1) 25678| Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man. 43 > 7

2) 25854| Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 48 > 12 > 3

3) 26032| Luk 24:40 And when He had thus spoken, He shewed them His hands and His feet. 44 > 8

4) 26209| Joh 4:52 Then enquired he of them the hour when he began to amend. And they said unto him, Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him. 56 7*8 > 11 > 2

5) 27065| Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 10 > 1

6) 27242| Act 9:25 Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket. 34 > 7

7) 27420| Act 14:5 And when there was an assault made both of the Gentiles, and also of the Jews with their rulers, to use them despitefully, and to stone them, 19 > 10 > 1

(7+3) 10 + (8) 18 + (2 seventh) 20 + (1) 21 + (7) 28 + (1) 29 > 11 > 2

The exact phrase "The Son of Man" occurs 25 times in Luke > 7

and three remaining matches, for a total of 28 > 10 > 1

Here

1) 15th time

2) 20th time

35 7*5
~~~

Solar

1) 26017| Luk 24:25 Then He said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 49 7*7 > 13 > 4

2) 26372| Joh 7:43 So there was a division among the people because of Him. 50 > 5

3) 26902| Joh 21:3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing. 24 > 6

4) 27582| Act 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 42 7*6 > 6

(4+5+6+6) 21

~~~

9/10/2018 = 711531 days

27287| Act 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together. 37 > 10 > 1

 

[GUANO]

So, what you are saying is that when God speaks about constellations such a Orion and Ursa Major being His, and when He tells us He's the one in charge of rotation of the mazzaroth (the constellations including those in the zodiac), then telling us there will be signs in the stars, that God is engaging in astrology?

No. The scripture in reference to Orion and the Pleiades says "Seek Him that maketh" the constellations (angels). There are certainly signs in the stars, and the stars are the angels—in a certain manner of speaking. There are omens of all types in nature and there are messages that can be divined out of planetary alignments and other phenomena—spirits of all kinds can speak to you in many different ways—and it's usually though your cognitions. Even though the Bible lends credibility to such phenomena, it clearly says that that WE are not to be engaged in such activities and when spirits communicate with us we are to test them (Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world). If you engage in mystical thinking—like meditation upon the subject we're discussing—the meditation itself draws from your deepest and highest concepts and worldviews (the heavens and the abyss) and your imagination and inner dialog is influenced by those forces. If those concepts contain error (sin), that error will enter into your thoughts—thoughts that contain error are not correct. And if you are even somewhat correct on some matters and do not truly analyze the outcome but assume that everything you thought was from God, it can lead into greater error and can lead others into error and that is how false prophets emerge.

I recommend mystical thinking. I recommend that Christians understand pagan religions, philosophies, and worldviews. But I also recommend that Christians or anyone who seeks truth to be critical of their own thoughts and imagination because that is the essence of the spirit world and sometimes these 'things' can reveal themselves in very powerful ways. I would recommend that people be critical above all of any spiritual encounters that bring about feelings of ecstasy, revelation, insight, knowledge, and 'epiphanies', for that is the essence of "light", and "Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light". I only say this from experience. Be careful out there, especially when it concerns eschatology and the 'last days'. There are many outside influences (spirits) that seep into the subconscious and reveal themselves during times of meditation (deep thinking). You have to test the source in very real ways and not just assume that the source is the Holy Spirit.

I think it's more likely that when the devil warped our understanding of the heavens when he formed astrology, that you and those like you are caught up in part of that deception, since you are choosing to interpret the scriptures through the lens of that lie. You won't understand what's going on until you are free from that blindness.

I do not interpret scripture though the lens of a lie—I go through it very slowly with fear. I believe that I have a very good understanding of the 'heavens', both the physical and the spiritual which are models of each other.

I will not be surprised if big events happen under this 'sign' because it is a meaningful one—but based on my understanding of the prophetic language in the Bible (which is not willy-nilly), this cannot be a fulfillment of Revelation 12 and I have many reasons why.

 

[GUANO]

I'm intrigued as well. Although one can never be sure until something happens. I'm just keeping an open mind until it can be definitely disproved.



Well technically, the sign itself fulfills on the 23rd "with the moon under her feet". But after that the conjunction. But also as that conjunction approaches, the three wandering stars that make up her crown, make their way single file through Virgo's body. Mars, the slower of the three, begins to enter her body on the same day of the conjunction. You can see it in the screen shot as it moves from left to right just at her side. Mars, the god of war? That DID sound like astrology. I'm just thinking out loud here.

But what I think will happen, has to happen between the conjunction and the last day of this year. That's if our end time tribulation will be just like in the 371 days of Noah.

Using traditional astrology this is an important sign, especially to the practitioners of western ritual and ceremonial magic (like the Rosicrucians who founded this country). It is a favorable time to start a war in the name of peace/innocence and to gain the blessing of specific spirits to help accomplish a work that aligns with the 'will of the gods' (and I can tell you why and even possibly what)—and judging by the Christian reaction to the appearance of this sign, Christians and other 'peaceful' religions will respond overwhelmingly positive to the prospect of war which should never be the case. Hey, it's "in the stars"... Watch how the stars rule over the earth (masses) but do not be ruled by them yourself. Be ruled by God and be in awe of His creation and magnificence.

 

[SeventyOne]

No. The scripture in reference to Orion and the Pleiades says "Seek Him that maketh" the constellations (angels). There are certainly signs in the stars, and the stars are the angels—in a certain manner of speaking. There are omens of all types in nature and there are messages that can be divined out of planetary alignments and other phenomena—spirits of all kinds can speak to you in many different ways—and it's usually though your cognitions. Even though the Bible lends credibility to such phenomena, it clearly says that that WE are not to be engaged in such activities and when spirits communicate with us we are to test them (Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world). If you engage in mystical thinking—like meditation upon the subject we're discussing—the meditation itself draws from your deepest and highest concepts and worldviews (the heavens and the abyss) and your imagination and inner dialog is influenced by those forces. If those concepts contain error (sin), that error will enter into your thoughts—thoughts that contain error are not correct. And if you are even somewhat correct on some matters and do not truly analyze the outcome but assume that everything you thought was from God, it can lead into greater error and can lead others into error and that is how false prophets emerge.

I recommend mystical thinking. I recommend that Christians understand pagan religions, philosophies, and worldviews. But I also recommend that Christians or anyone who seeks truth to be critical of their own thoughts and imagination because that is the essence of the spirit world and sometimes these 'things' can reveal themselves in very powerful ways. I would recommend that people be critical above all of any spiritual encounters that bring about feelings of ecstasy, revelation, insight, knowledge, and 'epiphanies', for that is the essence of "light", and "Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light". I only say this from experience. Be careful out there, especially when it concerns eschatology and the 'last days'. There are many outside influences (spirits) that seep into the subconscious and reveal themselves during times of meditation (deep thinking). You have to test the source in very real ways and not just assume that the source is the Holy Spirit.

I do not interpret scripture though the lens of a lie—I go through it very slowly with fear. I believe that I have a very good understanding of the 'heavens', both the physical and the spiritual which are models of each other.

I will not be surprised if big events happen under this 'sign' because it is a meaningful one—but based on my understanding of the prophetic language in the Bible (which is not willy-nilly), this cannot be a fulfillment of Revelation 12 and I have many reasons why.

Except the sign is there are you are claiming it as astrology. You can talk all you want about being able to see clearly, but your actions prove otherwise.