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mkgal1

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So, when someone says their god will save those who donate $100/month, we shouldn't say anything?
Wait? "Not say anything"? That's not quite my thing (if you've noticed ;) ).

That *is* a good question though. I believe that anytime a person's beliefs include taking advantage of another (like that example)--then YES...I believe we ought to be moved to speak up against that and protect others. That makes me think of this verse:

The Bible said:
Then they also will answer, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?” 45 Then he will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.”~Matthew 25:44-45
 
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I agree ... at least not in some absolute sense. But we can build trust between people, and that comes through demonstrable action. God acts within our lives.
No disagreement from me on this.
 
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I believe that anytime a person's beliefs include taking advantage of another (like that example)--then YES...I believe we ought to be moved to speak up against that and protect others.

How do you know they're taking advantage?

Also, just curious ... what does your screen name mean?
 
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I thought the female was the Holy Spirit. I know the Spirit is referred to in the feminine in the Bible a few times.

Koine Greek typically uses grammatical gendering. Grammatical gender, such as you referenced, does not literally ascribe a female gender to the Holy Spirit; no more than calling a car a "he" or "she" assigns literal gender within English. Look up the difference between grammatical and natural gender usage in the NT Greek. Your reference does not establish the claim that God or the Holy Spirit is female.

God Almighty is "Father," Christians.

Perhaps the author of this book will next present Christ as a woman?
 
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Our Methodist Pastor has been plugging this book for the last 4 or so years. I won't read it or watch the movie mainly because it has God as a woman.
I agree. I don't think I will be spending money on it. Haven't seen, and I will only see if I must for critical reasons.
 
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I'm not sure how I feel about the Father being portrayed as a woman.

I can tell you how the queer community feels about it.

Let's face it, He is actually spirit and neither male nor female.

I'm sure the queer community, feminist theologians and pagans around the world absolutely agree with your claim. Maybe you are reading from a gender-neutral Bible version.

The authoritative Word of God describes God Almighty as "Father," as "Husband." Do you really believe these nouns are gender-neutral? He is always described in the masculine sense. Could there be reason for this? UHHHHHHHHHH....YEEAAhhhh!!!! Every word in the Bible is significant!

Do you think that if you die tomorrow, your Spirit will suddenly be neither male nor female? Will you loose your gender-specific name? Believe it or not, a Spirit can still be male or female. Being Spirits without flesh and blood, did Samuel, when he appeared to Saul, Moses/Elijah when they appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration, loose their "maleness." Were they not still recognizably male? Did they loose their male names? Did Christ loose his masculine nature after his death but before his resurrection? We do not loose that important component of our identity when we our separated from our flesh. So if we, being suddenly disembodiment will still retain the male and female aspects of our person (even without genitalia)--as spirits--then so to can God be simultaneously male and a Spirit.

The first person created was a man....God's son was a man....In God's Word, angels are always described in the he gender. Mmmmm..could there be a reason for this?...I wonder.......

Headship, relationship, God immanent yet distinct from His creation; these and much more are extremely relevant to God being our Father, not our mother.

Gender-inclusive language has been a priority of many mainline Protestants and liberal Catholics for a long while now. I will not accommodate such absurdity.
 
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You know, I might be changing my mind about this. (And it's not because some "community" likes the Father portrayed as a woman.) I've been thinking about it a lot and going to the Bible a lot. So far as I can tell, *no* anthropomorphisms of God hint of femaleness. Add this to the fact that the ultimate manifestation of God is Jesus, who is male, and I'm coming to the conclusion that even though God is spirit and could manifest Himself anyway He wants to, He has exclusively manifested Himself as male. That must be the way He wants it.

In light of this, I'm thinking that the movie would have better (theologically) if the Father and the Spirit had been represented as spirit beings instead of taking on human form. Live and learn.
 
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Add this to the fact that the ultimate manifestation of God is Jesus, who is male, and I'm coming to the conclusion that even though God is spirit and could manifest Himself anyway He wants to, He has exclusively manifested Himself as male. That must be the way He wants it.
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Excellent point and I agree.

Another important issue with author taking such liberties: to what extent is an author justified in misrepresenting Scripture for an assumed "good" or point? Is it ever justified, considering the serious ramifications for arguing for the Christian worldview concerning such issues as the Doctrine of Headship, Transgenderism, etc?
 
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Koine Greek typically uses grammatical gendering. Grammatical gender, such as you referenced, does not literally ascribe a female gender to the Holy Spirit; no more than calling a car a "he" or "she" assigns literal gender within English. Look up the difference between grammatical and natural gender usage in the NT Greek. Your reference does not establish the claim that God or the Holy Spirit is female.

God Almighty is "Father," Christians.

Perhaps the author of this book will next present Christ as a woman?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. It wasn't my intent to say it did ascribe gender to God/Holy Spirit. God I don't see as a sexual being, Jesus as born of a woman and being a man would be by His virgin birth but not by His eternal existence. So any reference to God as male or female is more cultural and linguistic than a statement of gender for me.
 
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God I don't see as a sexual being, Jesus as born of a woman and being a man would be by His virgin birth but not by His eternal existence.

I think it is important to consider that the person of Christ is eternally existing--as you have acknowledged--but it might be just as important to acknowledge that if it can be demonstrated that it is more probable than not the one of the necessary characteristics of a "person" is gender, then the pre-incarnate Christ would have had the same gender before and after the Incarnation since His very person and nature are immutable.

In addition to those verses describing the person of Christ as existing prior to the incarnation, there are other verses describing God's immutability (unchanging nature).
 
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Some of what the Bible says that indicates its OK to use feminine words for at least the Holy Spirit as references in Wikipedia. In Hebrew the word for Spirit (רוה) (ruach) is feminine, (which is used in the Hebrew Bible, as is the feminine word "shekhinah" used in rabbinical writings, to indicate the presence of God, سكينة Sakinah in Arabic language, a word mentioned six times in the Quran).
Also remember that wisdom in Proverbs is personified at a woman. We often look at wisdom there as a description of God.

As for the immutability of God, when it comes to Christ, if we take that for the 2nd person of the godhead had to be make before Jesus was born then I think it would follow that Jesus would have also had to be human before He was born as well. I don't believe that to be true. What I have always felt was immutable is that God is always love, God is always spirit, God is always moral. We have verses in the OT that talk of God repenting and changing his mind. So I don't view the immutability of God to mean that God is static. I view God as dynamic in the relationships within the trinity and with human beings.
 
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