The seventh definition on evolution.

[AV1611VET]

I know. For all intents and purposes, though, it is the same thing, functionally.

Only on paper.

 

[DerelictJunction]

You're living in the wrong dispensation to make a claim like that.

And even if you were in the right one, and in the right place at the right time, a "Zaccheus" would still get precedence over you.

You could, I suppose, run up to Golgotha later and get in line with the scientists who mumbled:

Matthew 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

But again, you would be setting yourself up for a disappointment.

THEN AGAIN, you could simply wait three days and three nights -- like a good scientist should -- and go to the tomb and see for yourself.

But three days and three nights is too long for a scientific methodist to wait, and that old Zwischenablage in his head would just assume not; preferring to accept any rumor that says what was going to happen, didn't.

Such as the rumor that His body was stolen by His disciples.

and the Prophet went to heaven on a winged horse, too. Must be true....it's in a really old book.

Can you find a miracle that is a little better documented?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

and the Prophet went to heaven on a winged horse, too. Must be true....it's in a really old book.

Can you find a miracle that is a little better documented?

The conversion from unbelief to belief is pretty convincing.

 

[Davian]

Now, that is interesting. Oxidation.....now magic.

Oncedeceived implied that chemicals need some sort of "help" to do their thing. Where does one - that believes in this undefinable, undetectable "help" - draw the line? Is there a line?

 

[selfinflikted]

It makes sense if you think about it. I mean if you're standards for a miracle were this low, wouldn't you be hyper-religious?

Yes.

 

[DerelictJunction]

The conversion from unbelief to belief is pretty convincing.

Which conversion?

 

[AV1611VET]

and the Prophet went to heaven on a winged horse, too.

Pegasus is down the hall ... Technomyth 101.

Must be true....it's in a really old book.

You mean like, Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, or The Preservation of Favoured Races?

Can you find a miracle that is a little better documented?

Nope.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Pegasus is down the hall ... Technomyth 101.

Another miracle!

You mean like, Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, or The Preservation of Favoured Races?

Exactly! Well....except for that whole infallible thing.

Nope.

I find myself less than astonished by your admission.

 

[AV1611VET]

I find myself less than astonished by your admission.

If a miracle occurred today, and every scientist on earth documented it, it wouldn't even begin to compare to the most obscure miracle in the word of God.

Not even close.

 

[True Scotsman]

It is not magic to assume that chemicals magically produce life?

Not at all and no scientist ever said that it was magic. Chemical reactions are not magic.

 

[AV1611VET]

Chemical reactions are not magic.

Just how the reactants got here ... that's "magic" ... right?

 

[True Scotsman]

You're living in the wrong dispensation to make a claim like that.

And even if you were in the right one, and in the right place at the right time, a "Zaccheus" would still get precedence over you.

You could, I suppose, run up to Golgotha later and get in line with the scientists who mumbled:

Matthew 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

But again, you would be setting yourself up for a disappointment.

THEN AGAIN, you could simply wait three days and three nights -- like a good scientist should -- and go to the tomb and see for yourself.

But three days and three nights is too long for a scientific methodist to wait, and that old Zwischenablage in his head would just assume not; preferring to accept any rumor that says what was going to happen, didn't.

Such as the rumor that His body was stolen by His disciples.

Stories from the bible are not evidence. They are the claim and can not, in reason, be evidence for their own truth. I guess they can be for someone who says that "science can take a hike".

 

[DerelictJunction]

Just how the reactants got here ... that's "magic" ... right?

"Why is there something rather than nothing", right?

 

[True Scotsman]

Just how the reactants got here ... that's "magic" ... right?

There's no such thing as magic. They came from existence and they act according to natural law. If you want to present an argument that they came from non existence, please present your evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There's no such thing as magic. They came from existence and they act according to natural law. If you want to present an argument that they came from non existence, please present your evidence.

Remember Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

This is too far out of AV's wheelhouse, ergo "magic".

 

[AV1611VET]

Stories from the bible are not evidence. They are the claim and can not, in reason, be evidence for their own truth. I guess they can be for someone who says that "science can take a hike".

Well what do you expect then from a story like Jesus walking on water?

Do you expect to see His footprints on the sea of Galilee before you'll consider it as evidence?

This is why I believe the scientific method is a joke.

Some things can't be recreated in a laboratory, like the Big Bang, but that won't stop scientists from believing in it.

Yet evidence is demanded for such things as Jesus walking on water.

What do you want with the story of the widow's mites? her fingerprints on the coins?

You guys only use the scientific method, so long as you can use it to get results -- and results that garnish a paycheck.

 

[AV1611VET]

There's no such thing as magic.

Are you kidding me?

That is one of scientists' favorite words here.

That and "poofed".

They came from existence and they act according to natural law.

No, they didn't; and yes, they do.

If you want to present an argument that they came from non existence, please present your evidence.

How about instead, I present the argument that they came from NOTHING; like I have been for nine years now?

 

[crjmurray]

Well what do you expect then from a story like Jesus walking on water?

Do you expect to see His footprints on the sea of Galilee before you'll consider it as evidence?

This is why I believe the scientific method is a joke.

Some things can't be recreated in a laboratory, like the Big Bang, but that won't stop scientists from believing in it.

Yet evidence is demanded for such things as Jesus walking on water.

What do you want with the story of the widow's mites? her fingerprints on the coins?

You guys only use the scientific method, so long as you can use it to get results -- and results that garnish a paycheck.

Yep, that's why our law enforcement officers use forensic investigation. For that big Ol paycheck policeman get.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Well what do you expect then from a story like Jesus walking on water?

Do you expect to see His footprints on the sea of Galilee before you'll consider it as evidence?

This is why I believe the scientific method is a joke.

Some things can't be recreated in a laboratory, like the Big Bang, but that won't stop scientists from believing in it.

Yet evidence is demanded for such things as Jesus walking on water.

What do you want with the story of the widow's mites? her fingerprints on the coins?

You guys only use the scientific method, so long as you can use it to get results -- and results that garnish a paycheck.

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[Subduction Zone]

Well what do you expect then from a story like Jesus walking on water?

Do you expect to see His footprints on the sea of Galilee before you'll consider it as evidence?

This is why I believe the scientific method is a joke.

Some things can't be recreated in a laboratory, like the Big Bang, but that won't stop scientists from believing in it.

Yet evidence is demanded for such things as Jesus walking on water.

What do you want with the story of the widow's mites? her fingerprints on the coins?

You guys only use the scientific method, so long as you can use it to get results -- and results that garnish a paycheck.

There is evidence that supports the Big Bang. There is no evidence that supports the Jesus walked on water story. Tell me, do you believe that Mohammed went to heaven and back? There is just as much evidence for his claim as there is for your "walking on water" claim. How do you justify believing one and not the other?