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The Seven Seals of Revelation and their Call

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Many here are trying to understand the seven seals of Chapter 6 of Revelation. This is good, however, in the discussions we read, they seem to be missing important information without which the testimony is incomplete and thus their conclusions maybe more likely in error.

Therefore we include below our own examples, done in brief, as a example of how these should be understood. Hopefully this will help those trying to make sense of this text do so with greater accuracy.

First, a seal once it broken is past, even if its full manifestation is not yet realized. It is broken when one of the Four Living Creatures, Rev.6.1 cries, “Come!” For example Living Creature from the Four of the First Seal was Christ, (Zier Anpin) calling those first disciples to spread His Good News to the world, Matt.28.18-20.

The first seal has a white horse (victorious), and the rider was the disciples/early church and they were given the call to spread the Good News. The Early Church carried Judah, (“My bow, Zech.9.13) in their hand, the first pope was a Jew (Peter) indeed all those disciples were, therefore our foundation was Jewish disciples (cf Ez.37.19). The Church also wears the Crown of Righteousness. The Church is conquering sin and continues to conquer sin even to this day though His Grace.

The second seal was about war, murders, and peace failing (red horse). The twentieth century is the bloodiest century since the Gospel first went out. When we found out Leo XIII in 1884 was given a glimpse of this through a vision only. There were no words spoken to him by the Face of the Father, Mother or HaMoshiach. And so we realized it was Kallah, the Face of the Bride of Christ in her pope, who saw there would be 2 world wars and numerous other wars as Satan influence grew. Indeed, for a thousand years and up to the start of the covid-19 pandemic, war and murder and genocides have plagued us as he saw and shared.

The third seal was judgment, but not any judgment. It’s judgment on specific special grains wheat and barley (where each also is worth a certain # of denarius/days-labor in value). Both grains have meaning to a Jew. Further this horse is black, mourning is the Hebraic understanding, which did not fit our own first understanding that this was Vatican II (unless Vatican II was trigger by the Shoah (Holocaust)).

So first we will review what we already included in that one post. Wheat was waved in the Temple at Pentecost, the day the Ruach HaKadosh (Disciplining Spirit) came down in Wind (N’shemah - breath of G-d) and Fire (Chia - Life and Light of G-d) or the Holy Spirit in its full manifestation.

The second grain, barley, was also waved on the first of HaOmar, a Jewish tradition that Christianity has not used, so barley belongs to Judah.

Wheat is only worth a single days wage, but barley of worth three. Why? This judgement coming down is hitting one group more than another. Yet one more detail is needed to complete the picture, “Do not harm the oil and wine”! Do not harm the oil which is those annotated (144000?) and wine (Blood of Christ in the Eucharistic)!

So what judgment is over Christianity and Judah? We see this in the Oslo Accord during the Last Status Talks where they lifted the stone - Jerusalem (Zech.12.3) because this judgment brought mourning! Judah has faced constant attacks since then, while America has had two attacks on her soil (1:3) at the World’s Trade Center. As as this judgment came from Scriptures, it comes from the Face of the Father, Zech.1.1.


The Fourth Seal is likely a pandemic; thus would highly contagious and deadly (Death rides), which could only be overcome by a true Christian witness. This is because all ways of not spreading covid-19 through face masks, social distancing and isolation, are about loving your neighbor as yourself - the second Great Commandment.

The horse is Green, which Hebraically means “renewal” even though Death is riding it and Hades (Damnation) is following in Death’s wake. This is because death often beings renewal. A tree that dies, composts and this compost gives life to its seedling. Even Christ said a grain of wheat needed to fall and die, referencing His Sacrifice, so that we could live. Therefore death can bring renewal as it seems to be the function here..

Lev.26 also speaks of a pandemic that brings famine, the fourth curse of those curses. The sword in Hebrew also means destruction or desolation, and Greek has a similar double meaning which fits the pandemic as well. Also, How We See America in Prophecy clearly shows America is being judged and this next strike, the pandemic with famine, would come if she did not repent.

Sadly, Americans have shown no repentance. They still show no love for neighbor in the evidence that they refuse to wear masks, social distance, and isolate. Many embrace this false Gospel crying ‘Liberty” but Rav Shual (St. Paul) clearly forewarned that this freedom, we are given is NOT a freedom to sin! This false Gospel came from wild animals of the human kind, and those who can not find their way back from this sin will likely find themselves among the goats not sheep!

Yet this is not the only sins of America we see that gone on or even worsened. We show favoritism to our own congregations and often turn away from fellow Christens, Jews and/or Arabs - all who share the same Father. We become xenophobic, hating outsiders and persecuting people seeking freedom as our ancestors did!

We are killing those created by the same image, simply because they are different. We pollute and sell poison for gain, thus causing cancers, diabetes, heart attacks, forest fires and floods that kill. We bind heavy tax burdens, hard to bear but we, ourselves will not move them with our little figure (ex: delaying the stimulus as a political move while America businesses and governments are going bankrupt due to lack of funds!).

We glorify politicians, movie stars and our latest car, sports teams, houses, and money at the expense of the poor. These are all the modern false gods! HaShem came to Moshe (Lev. 26) and forewarned of blessings AND these curses upon all G-d’s people not just the Jews!

Thus for each seal that passed there was a clear call we can find in history (or link to Scripture) that links back to one of the Four Living Creature’s call. As for the 144000 (chapter 7), it’s an interval and thus not part of the sixth or seventh seals, per se. It floats between the twentieth century and twenty-first century seals. Chapter 10 is like it and there are others.

So people have been sealed, are being sealed, and are yet to be sealed - not as prophets, watchmen, or no-prophets, but because they mourn (sigh) over the sins of their brothers and cry out (groan) to HaShem and those around, for judgement or for all brethren to do T’shuvah (to return to HaShem), Ez.9.4-6, which are often one and the same.

All this said, our links above to the first four seals are meant to be examples, but the actual interpretation needs to be tested (see The No-Prophet, Prophets in the New Covenant). So hopefully from now on these interpretations of the seals will contain the Four Living Creatures, and be interpreted from the Jewish perspective writer John had.
 

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The scriptures note that no prophecy is of any private interpretation.... what you have put down is all private interpretation other than a incorrect interpretation of the 1st seal. The book of Rev is still future and the context of chapter one tells it “Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. The things he saw was the visions in Ch 1, the things that are chapter 2 and 3 7 churches. The things that will take place after this 4 through the rest of the book.
Now in 2 Thes we see the man of sin revealed claiming to be God in the temple. He is given power by Satan and is destroyed at the coming of the LORD. In Rev 13 we see the beast is given power also by Satan over every tribe tongue kindred and nation for exactly 42 months. It is here the the mark and image of the beast come out. He too is destroyed by the coming of the LORD> So in Chapter 6 when the seals come it is talking about a guy on a white horse. Is this Jesus or the anitchrist coming as the false Messiah? We see he is coming with a bow and no arrows and is coming to conquer. He has control in Chapter 6 and this whole scenario has a 42 months limit form the abomination of desolation.
This is important as the kingdom of God that covers the earth and has no end can only come one time. The idea that the kingdom is spiritual is true. This reality does not null the fact that the kingdom is coming to earth and that Jesus will rule on the throne of David. Both of these truths are going to play out. In Rev 13 the LORD returns and slays the armies at Armageddon and then the anitchrist and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire while Satan is bound when the angels declare the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our LORD and His Christ and He shall reign forever. In Daniel the sacrifices are stopped in the middle of the week which would match the man of sin being revealed in the temple claiming to be God. In Dan 7 we see a pompous ruler and he is persecuting the saints for a time times and half a time (42 months) when the kingdom is given to the son of man who is before the ancient of days and this kingdom covers the earth and has no end. So the seals in Rev 6 are tied to the 70th week of Daniel and indeed peace will be taken from the earth and men will kill one another and a days wage will be a quart of wheat. This chaos is on the horizon as a global financial collapse is about to happen now. The World Economic Forum and the UN agenda are plotting the global reset of the world order. This is happening when in Israel the movement to resume the temple sacrifices is gaining strength and momentum. The stage is being set for the abomination of desolation to occur in.
 
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Many here are trying to understand the seven seals of Chapter 6 of Revelation. This is good, however, in the discussions we read, they seem to be missing important information without which the testimony is incomplete and thus their conclusions maybe more likely in error.

Therefore we include below our own examples, done in brief, as a example of how these should be understood. Hopefully this will help those trying to make sense of this text do so with greater accuracy.

First, a seal once it broken is past, even if its full manifestation is not yet realized. It is broken when one of the Four Living Creatures, Rev.6.1 cries, “Come!” For example Living Creature from the Four of the First Seal was Christ, (Zier Anpin) calling those first disciples to spread His Good News to the world, Matt.28.18-20.

The first seal has a white horse (victorious), and the rider was the disciples/early church and they were given the call to spread the Good News. The Early Church carried Judah, (“My bow, Zech.9.13) in their hand, the first pope was a Jew (Peter) indeed all those disciples were, therefore our foundation was Jewish disciples (cf Ez.37.19). The Church also wears the Crown of Righteousness. The Church is conquering sin and continues to conquer sin even to this day though His Grace.

The second seal was about war, murders, and peace failing (red horse). The twentieth century is the bloodiest century since the Gospel first went out. When we found out Leo XIII in 1884 was given a glimpse of this through a vision only. There were no words spoken to him by the Face of the Father, Mother or HaMoshiach. And so we realized it was Kallah, the Face of the Bride of Christ in her pope, who saw there would be 2 world wars and numerous other wars as Satan influence grew. Indeed, for a thousand years and up to the start of the covid-19 pandemic, war and murder and genocides have plagued us as he saw and shared.

The third seal was judgment, but not any judgment. It’s judgment on specific special grains wheat and barley (where each also is worth a certain # of denarius/days-labor in value). Both grains have meaning to a Jew. Further this horse is black, mourning is the Hebraic understanding, which did not fit our own first understanding that this was Vatican II (unless Vatican II was trigger by the Shoah (Holocaust)).

So first we will review what we already included in that one post. Wheat was waved in the Temple at Pentecost, the day the Ruach HaKadosh (Disciplining Spirit) came down in Wind (N’shemah - breath of G-d) and Fire (Chia - Life and Light of G-d) or the Holy Spirit in its full manifestation.

The second grain, barley, was also waved on the first of HaOmar, a Jewish tradition that Christianity has not used, so barley belongs to Judah.

Wheat is only worth a single days wage, but barley of worth three. Why? This judgement coming down is hitting one group more than another. Yet one more detail is needed to complete the picture, “Do not harm the oil and wine”! Do not harm the oil which is those annotated (144000?) and wine (Blood of Christ in the Eucharistic)!

So what judgment is over Christianity and Judah? We see this in the Oslo Accord during the Last Status Talks where they lifted the stone - Jerusalem (Zech.12.3) because this judgment brought mourning! Judah has faced constant attacks since then, while America has had two attacks on her soil (1:3) at the World’s Trade Center. As as this judgment came from Scriptures, it comes from the Face of the Father, Zech.1.1.


The Fourth Seal is likely a pandemic; thus would highly contagious and deadly (Death rides), which could only be overcome by a true Christian witness. This is because all ways of not spreading covid-19 through face masks, social distancing and isolation, are about loving your neighbor as yourself - the second Great Commandment.

The horse is Green, which Hebraically means “renewal” even though Death is riding it and Hades (Damnation) is following in Death’s wake. This is because death often beings renewal. A tree that dies, composts and this compost gives life to its seedling. Even Christ said a grain of wheat needed to fall and die, referencing His Sacrifice, so that we could live. Therefore death can bring renewal as it seems to be the function here..

Lev.26 also speaks of a pandemic that brings famine, the fourth curse of those curses. The sword in Hebrew also means destruction or desolation, and Greek has a similar double meaning which fits the pandemic as well. Also, How We See America in Prophecy clearly shows America is being judged and this next strike, the pandemic with famine, would come if she did not repent.

Sadly, Americans have shown no repentance. They still show no love for neighbor in the evidence that they refuse to wear masks, social distance, and isolate. Many embrace this false Gospel crying ‘Liberty” but Rav Shual (St. Paul) clearly forewarned that this freedom, we are given is NOT a freedom to sin! This false Gospel came from wild animals of the human kind, and those who can not find their way back from this sin will likely find themselves among the goats not sheep!

Yet this is not the only sins of America we see that gone on or even worsened. We show favoritism to our own congregations and often turn away from fellow Christens, Jews and/or Arabs - all who share the same Father. We become xenophobic, hating outsiders and persecuting people seeking freedom as our ancestors did!

We are killing those created by the same image, simply because they are different. We pollute and sell poison for gain, thus causing cancers, diabetes, heart attacks, forest fires and floods that kill. We bind heavy tax burdens, hard to bear but we, ourselves will not move them with our little figure (ex: delaying the stimulus as a political move while America businesses and governments are going bankrupt due to lack of funds!).

We glorify politicians, movie stars and our latest car, sports teams, houses, and money at the expense of the poor. These are all the modern false gods! HaShem came to Moshe (Lev. 26) and forewarned of blessings AND these curses upon all G-d’s people not just the Jews!

Thus for each seal that passed there was a clear call we can find in history (or link to Scripture) that links back to one of the Four Living Creature’s call. As for the 144000 (chapter 7), it’s an interval and thus not part of the sixth or seventh seals, per se. It floats between the twentieth century and twenty-first century seals. Chapter 10 is like it and there are others.

So people have been sealed, are being sealed, and are yet to be sealed - not as prophets, watchmen, or no-prophets, but because they mourn (sigh) over the sins of their brothers and cry out (groan) to HaShem and those around, for judgement or for all brethren to do T’shuvah (to return to HaShem), Ez.9.4-6, which are often one and the same.

All this said, our links above to the first four seals are meant to be examples, but the actual interpretation needs to be tested (see The No-Prophet, Prophets in the New Covenant). So hopefully from now on these interpretations of the seals will contain the Four Living Creatures, and be interpreted from the Jewish perspective writer John had.

Congratulations: you are really not far off. But we should start with the CONTEXT of the first seal, chapters 4 & 5.

Let's look at the CONTEXT of this seal, as in chapter's 4 & 5. They hold the key. Notice first in chapter 4 that John saw Father God on the throne but DID NOT see Jesus at His right hand. If John was seeing the throne room of 95 AD, Jesus would certainly have been at the Father's right hand. We have over a dozen verses telling us that is where He went to be. Stephen SAW Him there.

Next, we find see that John watched a search for one worthy to take the book and open the seals, but John wrote, "no man was found" so that search ended in failure.

We also see in chapter 4 that John saw the Holy Spirit there in the throne room, yet Jesus said as soon as He would ascend He would send the Holy Spirit down.

Houston: we have a problem! (So to speak.) What is God doing here? Why is he showing John a throne room without Jesus, a search that ended in failure and the Holy Spirit there - when in 95 AD we would expect Him to have been sent down?

You see, God wanted to introduce John to this book with 7 seals (The lease document to earth) but God wanted to start while the book was still in the hands of the Father. So God HAD to show John some history and make it plain it was history and not future.

What should we think when there is a throne room with Jesus absent? In all of time, only 32 years or so would fit: while Jesus was on earth.

What should we think when "no man was found worthy?" If we read ahead, Jesus was found worthy, but only AFTER He rose from the dead - prevailing over death. So John is pinpointing a moment in time for us. When "no man was found" it was before Jesus rose from the dead. In the next verse Jesus was found, showing us that He had just prevailed over death and was then found worthy.

Next, John saw Jesus suddenly appear in the throne room where he had NOT been a moment before. Jesus had just ascended! It was right after He told Mary not to touch Him for He had not yet ascended. As soon as Mary left, Jesus ascended and John got to see that moment in time. What did Jesus do? He went immediately to get the book and begin opening the seals: circa 32 AD.

The first seal then is to represent the CHURCH sent out with the GOSPEL. John used the color white 17 times in Revelation; every other time to represent righteousness. There is NO WAY white is not going to represent righteousness here!

OF COURSE the church had to conquer and overcome: Satan owns the kingdoms of the world: he was certainly not going to just stand aside and allow the church access - but it is spiritual warfare with spiritual weapons.

Seals 2 through 4 are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the gospel - but God limited them in their theater of operations to only 1/4 of the earth: perhaps then Europe, the Middle East and Africa. This is where two world wars have started and countless other wars. It is where the black plague hit twice. Africa is where famine after famine has come and gone.
The Red horse, the Black horse and the Pale horse ride together, leaving out the white horse - just one more proof the white horse is the church taking the gospel to the world.

Finally, seal 5 is for the martyrs of the church age - and it is the first seal with a long wait: they must wait for the rapture of the church before Judgment starts. Seal 6 starts the judgment of God with the start of the Day of His wrath.
 
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iamlamad: Congratulations: you are really not far off. But we should start with the CONTEXT of the first seal, chapters 4 & 5.


JS: Thank you. We also suspected that seal was obvious so we assumed most should see this.


iamlamad: Next, John saw Jesus suddenly appear in the throne room where he had NOT been a moment before. Jesus had just ascended! It was right after He told Mary not to touch Him for He had not yet ascended. As soon as Mary left, Jesus ascended and John got to see that moment in time. What did Jesus do? He went immediately to get the book and begin opening the seals: circa 32 AD.


JS: The Moshiach did open the seals and Four Living Creatures called out! How? Kabbalah teaches the Four Living Creatures are composed of the Ten Sephiroth which in turn are HaMoshiach, both in His divinity and incarnation. So even though one of the Living Creatures opens each seal, Christ is within them. Exactly how and in which manifestation is a discussion for another time.


iamlamad: Seals 2 through 4 are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the gospel


JS: True...in the cases we brought forward. He certainly is named in that vision Pope Leo XII saw, and then visible for the next thousand years in the wars and false prophets that have risen in the twentieth century. We expect he will also be visible in this century as well.


He also whispered to the US and Israel to create that false treaty knowing ahead they’d lift the stone as they did. As for Covid-19, it’s clear he is affecting many Americans and Europeans to not wear masks or implement social distancing, etc... under the guise of “freedom” such that the no Christian nation grounded in liberty looks as good as the nations with fewer cases like fascism and socialism. Unlike democracy, when told to do something they do it, otherwise their life can be taken....a huge incentive to obey.


iamlamad: but God limited them in their theater of operations to only 1/4 of the earth: perhaps then Europe, the Middle East and Africa. This is where two world wars have started and countless other wars. It is where the black plague hit twice. Africa is where famine after famine has come and gone.


JS: Please explain how this fits the fourth seal, sword, famine, pestilence, and wild beast (natural or human, both can work) with death riding that green/pale horse followed by Hades?


iamlamad: The Red horse, the Black horse and the Pale horse ride together, leaving out the white horse - just one more proof the white horse is the church taking the gospel to the world.


JS: No evidence to this though. Once a seal is broken it continues through. So they coexists at least once each was opened as is the first still in existence. So this might be why you feel this way. Still, the Greek means Χλωρός, greenish, verdant with pale the least likely definition. Furthermore, pale meaning death to lead to death is riding death is redundant to us.
 
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Brian Mcnamee: The scriptures note that no prophecy is of any private interpretation.... what you have put down is all private interpretation

JS: We believe you are referencing this particular Scripture:

“For knowing first that every prophecy of Scripture no ones own interpretation. For it’s not the will of man was brought the prophecy at any time, but by the Holy Spirit being spoken from G-d to men.” 2Pet.1.20

Although this text is followed by a chapter on false prophets leading many astray; that text begins with δε, or“de,” which means “but.” Thus stating this text is not about false interpretation but rather if an interpretation is valid, then it comes from G-d. hence, if not valid, then it does not come from G-d.

Still we did not assert we were correct but that we were creating examples of how to interpret this chapter. These were created to help people who are trying to interpret this text come with more complete interpretations. Likewise, shouldn’t those who challenge others’ arguments also cover these same details? How else can we test the Spirit to find out if it is man or G-d behind the what people are seeing?

Brian Mcnamee: ... other than a incorrect interpretation of the 1st seal.

JS: Respectfully, the above is your interpretation as well. We have stated outright ours was only an example, since what we see is untested. But so is your interpretation.

Brian Mcnamee: The book of Rev is still future and the context of chapter one tells it “Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. The things he saw was the visions in Ch 1, the things that are chapter 2 and 3 7 churches. The things that will take place after this 4 through the rest of the book.

JS: In Chapter 10, John is told:

And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from Heaven saying: “Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.” 4

If John wrote Revelation down how did it also “seal” it up?

Also, have you read our write-up on Chapter 1 of Revelation? We include the PDF in which helps explain Rev.10.4.

Brian Mcnamee: So in Chapter 6 when the seals come it is talking about a guy on a white horse. Is this Jesus or the Antichrist coming as the false Messiah? We see he is coming with a bow and no arrows and is coming to conquer. He has control in Chapter 6 and this whole scenario has a 42 months limit form the abomination of desolation.

For the bow see “My bow”, Zech.9.13

As for the rest of your post it’s interpretive, as the former. You have covered too wide an area and gone too far from the breath of what we wrote above. We are only concerned on how people were leaving out the Four Living Creatures in their interpretations and other details. Nothing John was told to write is extraneous, so any viable interpretation (one that could potentially come from HaShem) will not be incomplete.
 

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The seals of revelation chapter 6 align with Matthew chapter 24, 7 sign's Jesus gave.

First seal = This is satan as antichrist near future.
Second seal = red is eusa, which is Russia. This is spirtual battlefield. Ever hear of communism and socialism?
The heathen religion infiltrated many churches. Teaching traditions of men and false doctrine.
The education system removed God. Now it's evolution and philosophy. Get the picture. People are being programmed to accept the one world political system. Some Christian people are biblically illiterate.
Third seal = false balances. The four horns are. Education, economics, political and religion. These are four hidden agencies brainwashing people. It's also inflation.
The four horns are helping to formulate the one world political system.
Fourth seal =in 1948, may, tiny Israel, which is judah, became nation. This started the fig tree generation. Jesus says in Matthew chapter 24, learn parable of the fig tree.
These are the beginning of sorrows of Matthew chapter 24.
Fifth seal = to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, ecclesiastes 12:7.
Six seal = satan as antichrist comes to Jerusalem. Its 5 month period. Those who are biblically illiterate will worship antichrist. You need gospel armour of ephesians chapter 6. It's knowledge and wisdom of God's word.
Study the bible.
 
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The seals of revelation chapter 6 align with Matthew chapter 24, 7 sign's Jesus gave.

First seal = This is satan as antichrist near future.
Second seal = red is eusa, which is Russia. This is spirtual battlefield. Ever hear of communism and socialism?
The heathen religion infiltrated many churches. Teaching traditions of men and false doctrine.
The education system removed God. Now it's evolution and philosophy. Get the picture. People are being programmed to accept the one world political system. Some Christian people are biblically illiterate.
Third seal = false balances. The four horns are. Education, economics, political and religion. These are four hidden agencies brainwashing people. It's also inflation.
The four horns are helping to formulate the one world political system.
Fourth seal =in 1948, may, tiny Israel, which is judah, became nation. This started the fig tree generation. Jesus says in Matthew chapter 24, learn parable of the fig tree.
These are the beginning of sorrows of Matthew chapter 24.
Fifth seal = to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, ecclesiastes 12:7.
Six seal = satan as antichrist comes to Jerusalem. Its 5 month period. Those who are biblically illiterate will worship antichrist. You need gospel armour of ephesians chapter 6. It's knowledge and wisdom of God's word.
Study the bible.
This is what one comes up with when they are willing to pull verses out of their context. What had John just seen before Jesus took the book and began to open the seals?

He saw a throne room with Jesus absent. Jesus was NOT SEEN at the right hand of the Father.
He watched a search for one worthy to open the seals end in failure: "no man was found."
He saw the Holy Spirit still in the throne room, when Jesus said He would send Him down as soon as He ascended. Then John saw and wrote:

Rev. 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

WHY was Jesus not seen at the right hand of the Father? This vision was YEARS after Jesus ascended. The answer is simple: God was showing John a vision of the throne room of the past, while Jesus was under the earth. WHY was Jesus not found worthy to open the seals in that first search John watched? The answer is simple: Jesus had not yet risen from the dead to be found worthy. WHY was the Holy Spirit still in the throne room? Simply because God was showing John a vision of the past: Jesus had not yet ascended to send Him down.

What is the timing of verse 6? WHEN did Jesus first ascend after raising from the dead? Right after telling Mary not to touch Him for He had not yet ascended. Then Jesus ascended and John got to see that moment that He entered the throne room after sending Mary away. THEN, around 32 AD, Jesus got the book and began opening the seals. In other words, Jesus took the book and began opening the seals as soon as He ascended: getting the book was the first thing Jesus did.

The first seals then were opened around 32 AD.
The First Seal: to represent the CHURCH send out with the GOSPEL
The Second, Third, Fourth seals: to represent the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the Gospel.

God has allowed the devil to use wars, famines, pestilences and wild beasts to try and stop the gospel. However, God has limited the devil in his field of operations to only one fourth of the world - of course that one fourth centered on Jerusalem. That would probably take in Europe, where two world wars started, the Middle East where Jerusalem is, and Africa, where we have known of famine after famine.

The Fifth Seal is for the martyrs of the church age. God sent the early church out into a world owned and run by the devil. OF COURSE there would be martyrs as the gospel advanced. How many times did the devil try to stop Paul? Those early church martyrs were calling out, asking God how long it would be before He would just their murders and those who murdered them. The answer is very telling. They were told that judgment would not begin until the FINAL martyr was killed. In other words, Judgment will not begin until the age of grace is finished - until the church age ends.

The church age will end at the pretrib rapture and then the 6th seal will be opened to begin the Day of the Lord. The church has been waiting all this time at the 5th seal for that final church age martyr. Finally, the rapture will take place, the final church age martyr will have been murdered, and Jesus will open that 6th seal to begin the Day of the Lord. Probably ten days later, the 7th seal will be opened to begin the 70th week of Daniel and the time of Jacob's trouble, which will begin with the trumpet judgments.
 
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iamlamad: Congratulations: you are really not far off. But we should start with the CONTEXT of the first seal, chapters 4 & 5.


JS: Thank you. We also suspected that seal was obvious so we assumed most should see this.


iamlamad: Next, John saw Jesus suddenly appear in the throne room where he had NOT been a moment before. Jesus had just ascended! It was right after He told Mary not to touch Him for He had not yet ascended. As soon as Mary left, Jesus ascended and John got to see that moment in time. What did Jesus do? He went immediately to get the book and begin opening the seals: circa 32 AD.


JS: The Moshiach did open the seals and Four Living Creatures called out! How? Kabbalah teaches the Four Living Creatures are composed of the Ten Sephiroth which in turn are HaMoshiach, both in His divinity and incarnation. So even though one of the Living Creatures opens each seal, Christ is within them. Exactly how and in which manifestation is a discussion for another time.


iamlamad: Seals 2 through 4 are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the gospel


JS: True...in the cases we brought forward. He certainly is named in that vision Pope Leo XII saw, and then visible for the next thousand years in the wars and false prophets that have risen in the twentieth century. We expect he will also be visible in this century as well.


He also whispered to the US and Israel to create that false treaty knowing ahead they’d lift the stone as they did. As for Covid-19, it’s clear he is affecting many Americans and Europeans to not wear masks or implement social distancing, etc... under the guise of “freedom” such that the no Christian nation grounded in liberty looks as good as the nations with fewer cases like fascism and socialism. Unlike democracy, when told to do something they do it, otherwise their life can be taken....a huge incentive to obey.


iamlamad: but God limited them in their theater of operations to only 1/4 of the earth: perhaps then Europe, the Middle East and Africa. This is where two world wars have started and countless other wars. It is where the black plague hit twice. Africa is where famine after famine has come and gone.


JS: Please explain how this fits the fourth seal, sword, famine, pestilence, and wild beast (natural or human, both can work) with death riding that green/pale horse followed by Hades?


iamlamad: The Red horse, the Black horse and the Pale horse ride together, leaving out the white horse - just one more proof the white horse is the church taking the gospel to the world.


JS: No evidence to this though. Once a seal is broken it continues through. So they coexists at least once each was opened as is the first still in existence. So this might be why you feel this way. Still, the Greek means Χλωρός, greenish, verdant with pale the least likely definition. Furthermore, pale meaning death to lead to death is riding death is redundant to us.
Of course there is evidence that the Red horse, the Black horse and the Pale horse and riders ride together. I would not have written it without proof.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with SWORD, and with HUNGER, and with DEATH, and with the beasts of the earth.

Power was given until THEM to kill with the sword: the Red Horse Rider was given the sword.
Power was given until THEM to kill with hunger: the Black Horse Rider was to bring famine.
Power was given until THEM to kill with Death: the Red Horse Rider was titled "DEATH."

These three riders are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the Gospel.
 
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