The Seed

[d taylor]

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The bike riding and the astronauts playing golf, etc.... Are just signs that all this is just that, fake

It is like the jack-o'-lantern face on the sun, that just happened to be spotted in time for halloween

Also the fake puppies

 

[Michie]

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The bike riding and the astronauts playing golf, etc.... Are just signs that all this is just that, fake

It is like the jack-o'-lantern face on the sun, that just happened to be spotted in time for halloween

Also nasa is involved in the fake puppies

The fake puppies is a well known scam as well as the recent solar owl lights.

 

[Zceptre]

Several teams of explorers have reached the South Pole on foot. Which is only possible if Antarctica is a continent. If they walked out that far on a ring of land ice they would have come to the outer edge of it.

See, I like a lot of people that believe things that I don't believe. Some of my best friends believe things I think are insane.

For starters I don't believe most of the people making claims about anything. Often I don't even believe a good deal of some of the things from people who seem to agree with me generally about particular topics.

Most importantly, I'd very much like to see the home video footage of your trip to Antarctica, let's say.. and others making such claims. I'd like to see aerial video, personal photos taken, would be good to have a friend along. Documentation is key, and if people have not went and have no documentation then I have to trust their intuition about people they are trusting, or organizations (far worse), and I just don't have the faith in humanity's pure gold hearts (sense the sarcasm please) to buy the ocean front property everyone is trying to sell me in Arizona.

I found more evidence of lies and liars than I found at all about what the world looks like. That doesn't mean I didn't look for the evidence and it doesn't mean I don't feel I've found the truth. What it does mean... is that there are a lot of people and there is a lot of money being spent to lie to you and you and you and to us all.

Now, reference experiences are great and I myself have had to use them to get where I'm at. But let me tell you that when I walk outside during the day or night I don't need those reference experiences to validate reality for me anymore. If you look long enough, and hard enough, and deep enough and catch enough of the lies, eventually you can quite easily discern without any effort at all that you were definitely lied to "in school," "in the media," "in fill-in-the-blank-here," and you are still are being lied to. It is the number one fact to be established, and if you haven't woken up to that, then you are simply still easy prey.

To boot, I've been doing this for many years, and the deception tactics have increased and with the "new tools" afoot in the world I'm keenly aware that it is much harder for the children today to get any kind of certainty about literally anything they see, hear, or read on the world's networks slash interwebs. Anyone who thinks they cannot be deceived, was deceived first by themself.

If I wasn't one hundred percent sure of what I know now, I wouldn't even whisper a peep about anything. If I was still on the fence and uncertain, I'd keep my happy little mouth shut. But I care about the people reading the things I write, the people on this forum, the people in the world. God cares for them. He doesn't like them being lied to and we have all been lied to, and since I know people have, I tell them. They don't like it, I don't put insane effort in trying to "prove" it (because there is still a LOT that makes it extremely obvious, people are crushing the lies for those searching daily) and I'm here to make one point... don't buy into things just because you think you "can't be lied to." You can. You are.

You don't have to break someone's arm to wake them up to truth. Just wake them up to the fact they are being lied to. They are smart enough to start to find the lies and discern the truth if they will just look. Many people just are absolutely not looking. Too many take reference accounts too readily and they underestimate the size of the lies.

 

[d taylor]

The fake puppies is a well known scam as well as the recent solar owl lights.

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Sure after people fell for it and ordered the product.

 

[Michie]

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Sure after people fell for it and ordered the product.

No. All one has to do is go to Consumer Reports before ordering anything. Lol

Internet scams are not the same thing as NASA’s Lassie Project.

 

[d taylor]

No. All one has to do is go to Consumer Reports before ordering anything. Lol

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So you are saying no one order the puppy

 

[Michie]

Try to figure it yourself. Good luck.

 

[Servus]

Because she rode the edge & wouldn't have gone further enough in.

How far is far enough? How wide is the ring?

 

[Servus]

See, I like a lot of people that believe things that I don't believe. Some of my best friends believe things I think are insane.

For starters I don't believe most of the people making claims about anything. Often I don't even believe a good deal of some of the things from people who seem to agree with me generally about particular topics.

Most importantly, I'd very much like to see the home video footage of your trip to Antarctica, let's say.. and others making such claims. I'd like to see aerial video, personal photos taken, would be good to have a friend along. Documentation is key, and if people have not went and have no documentation then I have to trust their intuition about people they are trusting, or organizations (far worse), and I just don't have the faith in humanity's pure gold hearts (sense the sarcasm please) to buy the ocean front property everyone is trying to sell me in Arizona.

I found more evidence of lies and liars than I found at all about what the world looks like. That doesn't mean I didn't look for the evidence and it doesn't mean I don't feel I've found the truth. What it does mean... is that there are a lot of people and there is a lot of money being spent to lie to you and you and you and to us all.

Now, reference experiences are great and I myself have had to use them to get where I'm at. But let me tell you that when I walk outside during the day or night I don't need those reference experiences to validate reality for me anymore. If you look long enough, and hard enough, and deep enough and catch enough of the lies, eventually you can quite easily discern without any effort at all that you were definitely lied to "in school," "in the media," "in fill-in-the-blank-here," and you are still are being lied to. It is the number one fact to be established, and if you haven't woken up to that, then you are simply still easy prey.

To boot, I've been doing this for many years, and the deception tactics have increased and with the "new tools" afoot in the world I'm keenly aware that it is much harder for the children today to get any kind of certainty about literally anything they see, hear, or read on the world's networks slash interwebs. Anyone who thinks they cannot be deceived, was deceived first by themself.

If I wasn't one hundred percent sure of what I know now, I wouldn't even whisper a peep about anything. If I was still on the fence and uncertain, I'd keep my happy little mouth shut. But I care about the people reading the things I write, the people on this forum, the people in the world. God cares for them. He doesn't like them being lied to and we have all been lied to, and since I know people have, I tell them. They don't like it, I don't put insane effort in trying to "prove" it (because there is still a LOT that makes it extremely obvious, people are crushing the lies for those searching daily) and I'm here to make one point... don't buy into things just because you think you "can't be lied to." You can. You are.

You don't have to break someone's arm to wake them up to truth. Just wake them up to the fact they are being lied to. They are smart enough to start to find the lies and discern the truth if they will just look. Many people just are absolutely not looking. Too many take reference accounts too readily and they underestimate the size of the lies.

What does that have to do with the topic? You're either on one side or the other in the position you take. And you pit the position you've chosen to take against the other position. The cardinal error is making it personal. "That's crazy" - topical vs "you're crazy" - personal. So, what what position are you taking on this topic?

 

[Apple Sky]

How far is far enough? How wide is the ring?

No one knows for sure except maybe Byrd.

 

[Apple Sky]

The fake puppies is a well known scam as well as the recent solar owl lights.

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Sure after people fell for it and ordered the product.

I ordered one, I got scammed

 

[Zceptre]

So, what what position are you taking on this topic?

I am of the position that this is a supernatural world, not a natural one. I don't fall into categories and I have immense issues with some of the tactics and lies (intentionally or unintentionally) used by people on both sides including those that at least in part agree with my take on things. Using lies to promote the truth does not sit well with me. Not that I'm claiming any of that being done here or right now, but at large in the world.

You're either on one side or the other in the position you take.

Are we making rules as we go that people must follow mass movements, groups, or theories of things? No, I do not fall to one side or the other. I stand on reason and my own God-given abilities of discernment.

What does that have to do with the topic?

You made claims of Antarctica. My post was elaborating on why I absolutely think you are mistaken about what you think is a "fact." You feel you've obtained some conclusive evidence. I put that claimed evidence in question and I gave a very exhaustive explanation on why. I didn't claim I have the proof to offer you, but rather am saying I think you should look further into it.

The cardinal error is making it personal.

You might need to point to a particular statement and quote me here. I have no idea where anything I said was personal aside from my disdain for lies as a whole. If you have no concern for being lied to and are not earnestly seeking to know about it, that is your business.

The nature of this very world is consumed by lies, and that is well known unless people are insane or living under a rock. I'm not upset and in disarray that people are lying. I just know many are and will simply not accept it.

If you think me being diligent to know of or expose lies is "taking it personal" then let your opinion stand. But I don't consider it that at all. I consider it foolish to allow oneself to be deceived when it is possible it be circumvented.

 

[Zceptre]

I ordered one, I got scammed

Say it isn't so bro lol

 

[Apple Sky]

I didn't claim I have the proof to offer you, but rather am saying I think you should look further into it.

I agree people should look further into it before condemning it as rubbish or nonsense.

 

[Apple Sky]

Say it isn't so bro lol

Yep. I purchase one, silly me £££

 

[Michie]

Yep. I purchase one, silly me £££

I heard they look pretty awful if you even get one according to the scam alerts.

 

[Michie]

You can watch this video to see a real person's experience with a fake AI dog:

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I dunno… does not look like NASA to me. Lol

 

[Servus]

I am of the position that this is a supernatural world, not a natural one. I don't fall into categories and I have immense issues with some of the tactics and lies (intentionally or unintentionally) used by people on both sides including those that at least in part agree with my take on things. Using lies to promote the truth does not sit well with me. Not that I'm claiming any of that being done here or right now, but at large in the world.

Okay.

Are we making rules as we go that people must follow mass movements, groups, or theories of things? No, I do not fall to one side or the other. I stand on reason and my own God-given abilities of discernment.


You made claims of Antarctica. My post was elaborating on why I absolutely think you are mistaken about what you think is a "fact." You feel you've obtained some conclusive evidence. I put that claimed evidence in question and I gave a very exhaustive explanation on why. I didn't claim I have the proof to offer you, but rather am saying I think you should look further into it.

You're critiquing me personally, rather than the position I'm taking.

You might need to point to a particular statement and quote me here. I have no idea where anything I said was personal aside from my disdain for lies as a whole. If you have no concern for being lied to and are not earnestly seeking to know about it, that is your business.

You're continually addressing me on a personal level rather than addressing the position I'm maintaining. See, we're talking about you and I rather than the topic. Thus derailing the the discussion of the topic.

The nature of this very world is consumed by lies, and that is well known unless people are insane or living under a rock. I'm not upset and in disarray that people are lying. I just know many are and will simply not accept it.

Lies, lies, they're all lies and lying.

If you think me being diligent to know of or expose lies is "taking it personal" then let your opinion stand. But I don't consider it that at all. I consider it foolish to allow oneself to be deceived when it is possible it be circumvented.

I think you're posting a lot of off topic philosophizing.

 

[Michie]

It’s always a grab bag in the conspiracy forum.

 

[Zceptre]

I was just stating what the accepted grounds of debate are. The other error people make is thinking someone is talking about them personally, when their comments are much more far ranging then the person they're talking to. A debate isn't like an argument one has with a spouse or sibling. It's about debating a position. In this debate the positions are flat earth and globe earth. Take one or the other and leave me and yourself personally out of it and stick to the topic.

You? No. Your stance on Antarctica. Yes.

If you check my posts I made a distinction between people and what they believe and said I have no problem with the person themselves.

Something along these lines:

See, I like a lot of people that believe things that I don't believe. Some of my best friends believe things I think are insane.

Your acceptance of particular evidence that is very negligible at best in my own aforementioned statements is the other "view" I was addressing.

I'm addressing the fact that you stated support for Antarctica being what the general narrative suggests it is. You want me to try to prove it isn't what you claim it is? Rather than stating I think your given evidence isn't sufficient like I have stated?

Other people were not making the claim, and I'm not about to act counter to my own statements and offer insufficient information. I'm addressing the "conclusive evidence" no matter who is using such notions.

All evidence is in question, no matter who is offering it. My statements are for anyone and everyone stating that their offered evidence is "conclusive" on this matter.

I was indeed responding to your post initially but please don't think it was just for you. I don't think I'm the one taking things personally here.