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The Second Edition is Better than the First

AndOne

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In his book "The Christian in Complete Armour," William Gurnall makes an excellent point regarding the nature of our relationship with God compared to that of Adam's prior to his fall in the garden:

"God would never have allowed His first workmanship to be so scarred by sin if He had not planned to build a more magnificent structure out of its ruins. Because He intended to print man's happiness in the second edition with a more perfect type than the first, He used Christ as the only fit instrument to accomplish this design: "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly' (John 10:10). He did not come to give the dead and damned a bare peace - naked life - but a more abundant life than man ever had before sin separated him from God."

In sum I think Gurnall is showing one way in just how God is ultimately glorified in the fall. Our relationship with God is much greater because of Jesus than it was before the fall.
 

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Yep. Before the fall, God walked with man. After the incarnation, God dwelt among men AS man.

Thanks bro - seeing as how I'm back posting here a little early than planned if you wanna direct me to our earlier conversation I would be happy to continue to discuss. I just forgot which thread it was on.
 
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Our relationship with God is much greater because of Jesus than it was before the fall.
Perhaps, it is greater because of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Yes, I know Paul said, "Christ in you", but we know it is the Holy Spirit, don't we?
Really, if you have One of Them, you have all Three of Them ... for the Unity is so great.
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AndOne

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Perhaps, it is greater because of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Yes, I know Paul said, "Christ in you", but we know it is the Holy Spirit, don't we?
Really, if you have One of Them, you have all Three of Them ... for the Unity is so great.
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I don't disagree - but remember the primary ministry of the Holy Spirit is to glorify Christ. As long that is kept in perspective I have no problem with the above quote.
 
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Thanks bro - seeing as how I'm back posting here a little early than planned if you wanna direct me to our earlier conversation I would be happy to continue to discuss. I just forgot which thread it was on.

Ummm.....uhhhhh...yeeeahhhh...

Something about baptism, I think? Or Romans 5-6, relationship of God as savior of all, and God as savior only of those who believe...

Hmmmm....

Gotta go back and look. But regardless, baptism and regeneration have been on my mind lately, so maybe I'll just start a new thread. And remember, per the new rules, you are required by law to agree with everything I say, lest I report you to the authorities and demand you be voted off the island. :thumbsup:
 
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Ummm.....uhhhhh...yeeeahhhh...

Something about baptism, I think? Or Romans 5-6, relationship of God as savior of all, and God as savior only of those who believe...

Hmmmm....

Gotta go back and look. But regardless, baptism and regeneration have been on my mind lately, so maybe I'll just start a new thread. And remember, per the new rules, you are required by law to agree with everything I say, lest I report you to the authorities and demand you be voted off the island. :thumbsup:

^_^hehe - okay I'll look for the thread...
 
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