The second coming

[Buzz_Lightyear]

Gen 6:1-2 ~ And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. It already says that they took the daughters of men, so the sons of God had to be part of the angelic host. Otherwise, if this makes sense to you, this verse would read, that men saw the daughters of men that they were fair etc. Does this makes sense?

Hi there,

Maybe, but when an angel is mentioned in the Bible it is called an angel. Well, it's open to interpretation I guess... But angels cannot reproduce so this doesn't commute. Nevermind, maybe another topic is required.

 

[In Christ Forever]

I think some teach the "giants" were because Angels (of the fallen kind, the one's Jesus "preached to") and "daugthers of man" procreated.

When i see ahippo procreate with an elephant to create a elepotymus > I'll believe it. - among other things...

LOL.
Is it any reason the bible is the most controversial Book in the world!! I haven't really studied that hard on that subject, though it is interesting.

1 corin 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know [them,] because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is [rightly] judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Buzz_Lightyear]

When i see a hippo procreate with an elephant to create a elepotymus > I'll believe it. - among other things...

Yeah, I think I tend to agree with you on this one

 

[@@Paul@@]

LOL. That is kind of bizarre. But I don't know how scriptural that is. I would never even thought of that. Sons of God would be the ones that of course believed in God and called upon Him, but then again, the bible is was written by God so I try to interpret it thru the spirit when I can.
Is it any reason it is the most controversial Book in the world!!

"sons of God" is a reference to Angels, as Big Mouth Nana said.....

 

[In Christ Forever]

"sons of God" is a reference to Angels, as Big Mouth Nana said

Well, in essence aren't we sons of God? That would make us symbolically "angels" also.

1 John 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

 

[Barraco]

LOL, all of these different replies will probably confuse you, so here is mine. It will happen in Rev 18:4, when God says..COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, when Babylon is destroyed, (US). I believe it is right at the end of the tribulation.

I just had to mention, that the ten kings destroy Babylon, as purposed by God, so if the ten kings destroy Babylon, then they haven't gone out to Armageddon to invade Jerusalem, which means, its not quite yet. The martyred dead are resurrected until the nations are defeated, it could be very well possible that we would live to see it. That means the rapture would not happen when Babylon is destroyed, because in Revelation 14:12, after Babylon is fallen, it reads, Here is the patience of the saints, here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. See, why would he call for patience of the saints after Babylon already fell? Because the beast is still around and the saints are still in his hand. Just like the Jews were held prisoner in concentration camps UNTIL the Nazis were defeated and surrendered, I believe that will be the case for the saints, that they must endure until the coming of Christ, that is if any remain at that time.

 

[Buzz_Lightyear]

Amen! Jesus didn't teach us to address God as "Father" for nothing methinks

Note: The angel part I don't agree with though!

 

[@@Paul@@]

Well, in essence aren't we sons of God? That would make us symbolically "angels" also.

1 John 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Yes, I suppose.

 

[In Christ Forever]

just had to mention, that the ten kings destroy Babylon, as purposed by God, so if the ten kings destroy Babylon, then they haven't gone out to Armageddon to invade Jerusalem, which means, its not quite yet.

It just "appears" that these are the same events, at least concerning armegeddon. Whatever it is, it is the day God glorifies Himself according to Ezekiel.

Reve 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [coming] out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, [which] go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

reve 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 "that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all [people,] free and slave, both small and great." 19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

reve 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number [is] as the sand of the sea.

ezekiel 39:11 " It will come to pass in that day [that] I will give Gog a burial place there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea; and it will obstruct travelers, because there they will bury Gog and all his multitude. Therefore they will call [it] the Valley of Hamon Gog. 12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD. 17 " And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Well, in essence aren't we sons of God? That would make us symbolically "angels" also.

1 John 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Yes, we are the sons of God through the Spirit. These angels were sons of God through being created. Look at this verse...Job 1:6 ~Now there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them....Rev 12:10 ~ And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Where did satan accuse the breathern? Before Gods throne. These sons of God were before Gods throne also with satan in Job 1:6.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Just to clarify and after I do I will drop this...or rather if you all want to discuss this further I will be more than happy to start a thread on this over in General Theology.

My login name is actually two Hebrew words; Nephilim and Iyr. Nephilim is the name used to identify the offspring of fallen angels and human women yet is also a word unto itself that means fallen ones. Iyr is the name used for a certain kind of angel yet is also a word unto itself which means to open ones eyes and watch. I took the liberty to put the two words together to say that I am on guard and watching for the return of the Nephilim. It really is that simple.

Now angels are not suppose to reproduce but once those angels who left their first estate and their own habitation, per Jude 1:6, they became physical and were able to reproduce, per Genesis 6:1-4, 2 Peter 2:4-5, and Jude 1:7.

Now in the Hebrew Bible, the OT, the only way for anyone to be referred to as being a "son of God" is through a direct creative act by God. Adam was the only human referred to as a son of God in the OT, after Adam humans throughout the Hebrew Bible are referred to as sons of Adam or sons of men. Likewise angels who were directly created by God are referred to as sons of God. In the NT Jesus is said to have made it posible for all of us humans to be referred to as "sons of God" but only in a spiritual sense.
John 1:12-13, But as many as recieved him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
It took Jesus Christ to die on the cross and become a worthy sacrafice for us for any of us to be called sons of God and of course that's only if we accept his gift of salvation and call him Lord of our lives.

Now really if anyone here wants to debate this I will be more than happy to but not here.

 

[nephilimiyr]

I just had to mention, that the ten kings destroy Babylon, as purposed by God, so if the ten kings destroy Babylon, then they haven't gone out to Armageddon to invade Jerusalem, which means, its not quite yet. The martyred dead are resurrected until the nations are defeated, it could be very well possible that we would live to see it. That means the rapture would not happen when Babylon is destroyed, because in Revelation 14:12, after Babylon is fallen, it reads, Here is the patience of the saints, here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. See, why would he call for patience of the saints after Babylon already fell? Because the beast is still around and the saints are still in his hand. Just like the Jews were held prisoner in concentration camps UNTIL the Nazis were defeated and surrendered, I believe that will be the case for the saints, that they must endure until the coming of Christ, that is if any remain at that time.

Are you trying to say that at the time Jesus Comes again the tribulation will have been so bad that there may not be any saints to rapture up?

 

[Hitch]

Well Neph,,if the big trouble is literally the most catrostrophic event ever to be fewer than eight sould must survive.

 

[In Christ Forever]

LOL, all of these different replies will probably confuse you, so here is mine. It will happen in Rev 18:4, when God says..COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, when Babylon is destroyed, (US). I believe it is right at the end of the tribulation.

Hi Nana,
What conclusion do you come to when you see "Christ" on a cloud harvesting the earth with His sickle "before" the wraths and the "resurrection"? How can this be explained?
This is really a tough one for me to figure out. The earth is actually being "harvested" here!!! Are we sealed from it where maybe it won't touch us? Calling all Bible Scholars

reve 14:14And I saw, and behold, a white cloud, and upon the cloud [one] sitting like to a son of man, having upon his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle; 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped
Isaiah 14:11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, [And] the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.' 12 " How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [How] you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.' 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 "Those who see you will gaze at you, [And] consider you, [saying:] '[Is] this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, [Who] did not open the house of his prisoners?' 18 "All the kings of the nations, All of them, sleep in glory, Everyone in his own house; 19 But you are cast out of your grave Like an abominable branch, [Like] the garment of those who are slain, Thrust through with a sword, Who go down to the stones of the pit, Like a corpse trodden underfoot. 20 You will not be joined with them in burial, Because you have destroyed your land [And] slain your people. The brood of evildoers shall never be named.

 

[@@Paul@@]

Hi Nana,
What conclusion do you come to when you see "Christ" on a cloud harvesting the earth with His sickle "before" the wraths and the "resurrection"? How can this be explained?
This is really a tough one for me to figure out. The earth is actually being "harvested" here!!! Are we sealed from it where maybe it won't touch us? Calling all Bible Scholars

Didn't we cover this, In Christ Forever??

The reapers are the Angels... Christ said it Himself.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Hi Nana,
Calling all Bible Scholars

reve 14:14And I saw, and behold, a white cloud, and upon the cloud [one] sitting like to a son of man, having upon his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle; 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped
Isaiah 14:11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, [And] the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.' 12 " How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [How] you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.' 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 "Those who see you will gaze at you, [And] consider you, [saying:] '[Is] this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, [Who] did not open the house of his prisoners?' 18 "All the kings of the nations, All of them, sleep in glory, Everyone in his own house; 19 But you are cast out of your grave Like an abominable branch, [Like] the garment of those who are slain, Thrust through with a sword, Who go down to the stones of the pit, Like a corpse trodden underfoot. 20 You will not be joined with them in burial, Because you have destroyed your land [And] slain your people. The brood of evildoers shall never be named.

What conclusion do you come to when you see "Christ" on a cloud harvesting the earth with His sickle "before" the wraths and the "resurrection"? How can this be explained?
This is really a tough one for me to figure out. The earth is actually being "harvested" here!!!

Hi ICF. Okay, this is the way that I see this. In Rev 14:1, we see a Lamb standing on Mt. Sion with the 144,000 firstfruits unto God and the Lamb. Verse 5 says that they are before the throne (Gods throne in heaven). Evidently they have already been taken off of the earth through being beheaded for the word of God and their testimony. Verse 8 we have Babylon falling, and in verse 9 shows the "beastie boy" is present, so we are already in tribulation. Verse 12 we have the "patience of the saints"...us. Okay, the Babylon falling in Rev 14 to me, is just talking about the same Babylon in Rev 18, but it shows the "harvesting" of the earth. We are cutting out of here right after or right when Babylon falls. Rev 17 and 18 just goes into more details I think about Babylon...ship captains bawling, smoke of her burning, a harlot, Mystery Babylon etc.

Are we sealed from it where maybe it won't touch us?

I believe so. I get this from this scripture...Isaiah 26:19- 21 ~ 19)Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. RESURRECTION HERE.
20)Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21) For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
We are going to be protected right up until the resurrection and the rapture. Recall the death angel passing over Egypt, and it didn't touch the Isralites? Same with us. We are covered by the blood of Jesus.