The seat of the devil

[Alithis]

Wasn't Moses a mediator between man and God? Or is that blasphemy?

here they begin. a benign question that will lead into volumes of ambiguity and utterly ignore direct scripture .
God established Moses -directly without ambiguity .. then he spoke and his word became flesh and his name is JESUS
and now he alone is the mediator between man and GOD .

so if your goal is to change my stance ..end your efforts now, for between death and bowing to Rome ..i choose death ..For me to die in Christ is gain.

if your goal is to defend Rome .. go argue it with the lord God most high .
i am not your judge .
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[now faith]

scaring you, your scared of love just kidding

Its the love train jump on board.

I can speculate to the harlot drinking on blood of saints. The harlot could be the world or city that puts Gods people to death. That is just what I feel in my heart. could be wrong, but if you never seek you never find

OK on board the love train.

But what ever you do do not call in the SDA.

 

[Alithis]

OK on board the love train.

But what ever you do do not call in the SDA.

lol

 

[saintboniface]

well i am wondering how to reply to that from within the rules of cf haha ..
now we are not allowed to call someone who claims to be "christian" .. " not Christian ".
so ... since the pope has not come here and posted on cf and claimed here on cf to be christian.. are we breaking the rules to say he is not ?
i leave that one hanging ..

we are not saying that all catholics are not christian ..as that would be an impossible claim to make .. one of my favorite catholics was madam Guyon ..hmm though she was chucked into a windowless dungeon cell for making a booklet teaching that you can pray directly to the lord JEsus and didnt need a priest .. go figure lol .


but it is not the first time i have" heard this claim" allegedly from Rome that it believes the book of Genesis is an allegory( which is unbelief )
nor is it the first time i have heard Rome declare that they believe "God" is our collective conscience and thats what constitutes GOD .. which is indirectly saying " WE are God"
-but of course that's blasphemy to say ..
which raises the issue of that seat you mentioned upon which sits one who has names of blasphemy written ...
mother of God ..- to me this is blasphemy
queen of heaven - to me this is blasphemy
a man other then the lord Jesus HIMSELF(ie the pope) being the mediator between man and God
- to me , this also is blasphemy ...
I will not reply directly to some, for their very signature is sin in its declaration that they have no faith in the ability of God to hear them, so they pray to an angel ... which is faithless and what is not of faith (in GOD ALONE)..is sin

Is this thread now just a rant about alleged blasphemous behaviors? If so, I would like to call some out as well.

 

[Alithis]

scaring you, your scared of love just kidding

Its the love train jump on board.

I can speculate to the harlot drinking on blood of saints. The harlot could be the world or city that puts Gods people to death. That is just what I feel in my heart. could be wrong, but if you never seek you never find

while your speculating..have a read of "fox's book of martyrs "

 

[Rhamiel]

while your speculating..have a read of "fox's book of martyrs "

it is dishonest to pretend like only one side is guilty of violence and murder in the conflicts between Catholics and Protestants

St. John of Cologne was hanged by Dutch Calvinists
what was his crime? he was trying to bring Communion to Catholic clergy who had been captured by rebels
John and 18 other priests where hung by Calvinist pirates on July 9, 1572

 

[Bluelion]

OK on board the love train.

But what ever you do do not call in the SDA.

lol

 

[Bluelion]

while your speculating..have a read of "fox's book of martyrs "

that is a pretty cool site

 

[Alithis]

that is a pretty cool site

yes what i find the best are the wonderful testimonies of some of them .in the face of, not figurative, but actual death .they were faithful through the end .
Every one who puts to death another saying they do the lords service will be rightly judged at the last Day .the lord JESUS said this would happen as wickedness continues and it has happened from that day until this .

 

[Bluelion]

yes what i find the best are the wonderful testimonies of some of them .in the face of, not figurative, but actual death .they were faithful through the end .
Every one who puts to death another saying they do the lords service will be rightly judged at the last Day .the lord JESUS said this would happen as wickedness continues and it has happened from that day until this .

It will be soon the mass Christians are killed in the name of God, but it is really be done in the name of the anti christ.

 

[Alithis]

It will be soon the mass Christians are killed in the name of God, but it is really be done in the name of the anti christ.

true enough .. as it it written ..they will "say" ..but what they say and what is truth are two differing things .
and it is not only a future event .. people and being murdered for their faith in Christ Jesus right now

 

[Bluelion]

true enough .. as it it written ..they will "say" ..but what they say and what is truth are two differing things .
and it is not only a future event .. people and being murdered for their faith in Christ Jesus right now

That is true we must not forget about our brothers and sisters in China, Korea, and pretty much all the middle east. We enjoy freedoms in our countries they do not have but are imprisoned, beaten and die for our God every day. I pray for them and pray for us that we will be as strong when our time comes.

 

[now faith]

Amen

 

[Alithis]

Amen

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

it is dishonest to pretend like only one side is guilty of violence and murder in the conflicts between Catholics and Protestants

St. John of Cologne was hanged by Dutch Calvinists
what was his crime? he was trying to bring Communion to Catholic clergy who had been captured by rebels
John and 18 other priests where hung by Calvinist pirates on July 9, 1572

Jesus wouldn't have approved of that and they where disobeying scripture. I would say any church that approve of it was not a real church and that the participants where unsaved at the time although they may have been saved latter. (Like Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul)

The Roman Catholic church which claims to be the only true church on the other hand has approved of murder among other unscriptural things. Even though genuine real Christians where persecuted and killed by the Roman Catholic church during and around the time of the inquisition (For believing what the Bible says about baptism , for translating, printing, having, or even quoting the Bible in the common tongues) we still have to deal with people blaming us for what the Roman Catholic church did.

And do you think that Roman Catholics and Protestants are the only ones involved here? There have been real Christians which have never been part of the Roman Catholic church during its existence (and no it's existence doesn't go back to Peter) since well before the reformation. I'm not protestant nor Roman Catholic, I'm Christian.

There where people in the Protestant Churches who discriminated and persecuted those who believed what scripture says about baptism, and other things as well.

I'm not saying that there are no real Christians in the Roman Catholic church however I am saying that it is not the true church and that it's teachings are false. I am also saying that those who participated in the inquisition and murdered people where not real Christians. (At the time of their participation at least. Some of them probably did get saved latter) Christians have to deal with the mistakes that unscriptural organization has made.

Only God can forgive sins.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

well this discussion is about to take a turn in light of what the pope said there is no Adam and Eve and hell is a metaphor not a real place, see my thread pope the false prophet.

So it appears the false prophet spoken of in the Bible has shown himself and it is in fact the pope.

There are many false prophets bluelion. Mathew 7:15-20

The "living prophets" of the Mormon church, the heads of the Watchtower bible and Tract Society, Joyce Meyer and the prosperity preachers, so called "Christian" witches. Ect. ect. ect. (I tried not to capitalize Christian in "christianwithes") Not to mention Mohamed, Joseph Smith, ect. ect.

 

[now faith]

There are many false prophets bluelion. Mathew 7:15-20

The "living prophets" of the Mormon church, the heads of the Watchtower bible and Tract Society, Joyce Meyer and the prosperity preachers, so called "Christian" witches. Ect. ect. ect. (I tried not to capitalize Christian in "christianwithes") Not to mention Mohamed, Joseph Smith, ect. ect.

you align Joyce with watchtower?

You call her a witch?

You accuse Gods anointed of works of the devil?

I pray your not judged for ignorance.

Gods grace be with you.

 

[Rhamiel]

Jesus wouldn't have approved of that and they where disobeying scripture. I would say any church that approve of it was not a real church and that the participants where unsaved at the time although they may have been saved latter. (Like Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul)

The Roman Catholic church which claims to be the only true church on the other hand has approved of murder among other unscriptural things. Even though genuine real Christians where persecuted and killed by the Roman Catholic church during and around the time of the inquisition (For believing what the Bible says about baptism , for translating, printing, having, or even quoting the Bible in the common tongues) we still have to deal with people blaming us for what the Roman Catholic church did.

And do you think that Roman Catholics and Protestants are the only ones involved here? There have been real Christians which have never been part of the Roman Catholic church during its existence (and no it's existence doesn't go back to Peter) since well before the reformation. I'm not protestant nor Roman Catholic, I'm Christian.

There where people in the Protestant Churches who discriminated and persecuted those who believed what scripture says about baptism, and other things as well.

I'm not saying that there are no real Christians in the Roman Catholic church however I am saying that it is not the true church and that it's teachings are false. I am also saying that those who participated in the inquisition and murdered people where not real Christians. (At the time of their participation at least. Some of them probably did get saved latter) Christians have to deal with the mistakes that unscriptural organization has made.

Only God can forgive sins.

I can not debate religion on here since I am not a Baptist
but I will say that you do not have a very good grasp of history

 

[Bluelion]

Jesus wouldn't have approved of that and they where disobeying scripture. I would say any church that approve of it was not a real church and that the participants where unsaved at the time although they may have been saved latter. (Like Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul)

The Roman Catholic church which claims to be the only true church on the other hand has approved of murder among other unscriptural things. Even though genuine real Christians where persecuted and killed by the Roman Catholic church during and around the time of the inquisition (For believing what the Bible says about baptism , for translating, printing, having, or even quoting the Bible in the common tongues) we still have to deal with people blaming us for what the Roman Catholic church did.

And do you think that Roman Catholics and Protestants are the only ones involved here? There have been real Christians which have never been part of the Roman Catholic church during its existence (and no it's existence doesn't go back to Peter) since well before the reformation. I'm not protestant nor Roman Catholic, I'm Christian.

There where people in the Protestant Churches who discriminated and persecuted those who believed what scripture says about baptism, and other things as well.

I'm not saying that there are no real Christians in the Roman Catholic church however I am saying that it is not the true church and that it's teachings are false. I am also saying that those who participated in the inquisition and murdered people where not real Christians. (At the time of their participation at least. Some of them probably did get saved latter) Christians have to deal with the mistakes that unscriptural organization has made.

Only God can forgive sins.

If we are to be fair every denomination has killed people in the name of God also had slaves right here in America. You cannot just blame calthiolics, like them the baptist who murder and had slaves were wolves in sheep clothing and not true children of God, They do satans work by proclaim to faith yet being dead inside. satan is pleased with his children who pretend to be Christians and do things in Gods name.

Lets not blame a whole group of people based on the actions of wolves in that group.

 

[Alithis]

one does not need much of a grasp on history to read a simple piece of history (about wrongs from all sides )and know that what they did was wrong .
what matters is this present day in our present Generation .
do we say .." in truth that was wrong ,thus, I persevere in faith to never repeat those mistakes" .. or do we say .."no no your wrong to say that "and deny past sin?

David did wrong - and when the lord sent word to him about his SIN ..he said" I DID DO THAT ". his reaction was not to deny and cover up and add lie to his sin and say but what about them over there they did worse ".. but to admit his wrong and repent .

This is where it gets me the most .. Not that people did past wrongs but that people make monuments to those past wrongs and justify those past wrongs and passionately defend those wrongs ..which displays a desire to see them repeated .
and where the Bile states certain plain simple truths and they can see the bible states those truths ..instead of saying.. wow the Bible plainly states it is wrong ..so" i admit I AM WRONG .lord p[lease forgive me .. "..They say no no but but but and launch into a mountain of ambiguity ..not to agree with Gods word but to justify their own sinful actions. -this , for me is one of the greatest evidences that what they teach and DO is opposed to God .
for innocence needs no justification .. when one seeks to justify their word and deed and superimpose it over what the bible plainly saved ..it is immediately evident there is something wrong , something which they wish to justify .

It is this state of heart that is simply hardened and unrepentant that reeks of guilt and rebellion seeking to please men (whatever robes they wear) rather then to please God .

-summary -
point out sin to righteous man and he shall say .."lord I did not see that, i am sorry i shall not do that any more ,I love you lord i "will" to change .Forgive me ,help me ."

point out sin to a man of pretense and he shall only say no no but but but and display no willingness to change what so ever but only to justify himself and those he follows .