The sealed nature of christianity in the scripture

[stranger]

The 'denominations' all know that there is only one truth of God that is written in scripture , so resolving the private differeneces in belief is the task of scripture, one is proposes itself both willing and able to resolve :-

2 Timothy 3:16 [Rotherham Emphasised Bible] Every scripture, is God-breathed, and profitable—unto teaching, unto conviction, unto correction, unto the discipline that is in righteousness,—

2 Peter 1:20 [KJV]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20 [REB]Of this, first, taking note—that, no prophecy of scripture, becometh, self-solving;

The unique meaning of God is thus only to be known by treating ALL the scripture as ONE truth, not making interpretation form one line here and there and ignoring the rest...

In the context of the medium of this site one cannot quote all the scripture, not even all the relevant scripture, thus discussion of God's truth MUST be allowed substantial dialogue to resolve differences ...

This dialogue is very hard to establish with most people , who simply retreat behind closed doors at any sign of discussion of their beliefs as though refusing to discuss their divided faiths was a problem, not a pleasure in bringing both sides closer to what God actually means by His words ... unfortunately this site panders to such xenophobia and inores it original purpse of bringing people together in one true belief ... failing to recognise that this is painful for anyone , that to express love by pursuing the truth is going to cause pain in oneself and in others who pursue the same :-

Ecclesiastes 1:18 For, in much wisdom, is much vexation,—and, he that increaseth knowledge, increaseth pain.

By not allowing that people will even lash out blindly when in pain of questioning their beliefs by means of reproof to the scripture, the site ends up with apartheid of denominations, suppressing dialkogue and even censorship and injustice as men even abuse rules in their pain and denial of the unity of all God's word in one truth...

Thus this post addresses the core problem that christianity is divided but God is not , and that scripture is provided by the saints and prophets from God to resolve the many differences that have caused religion to fall away from being fully compatible with all the scripture :-

Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

The discussion is then about every denomination-specific belief , every individual belief that is not consistent with the whole scripture, every word and every tittle ...

The purpose is in ceasing the obviously corrupt division of christianity into sects and denominations , God is not divided , so most christianity must be wrong , the scripture claims in god's mouth to be able to resolve this, so let's do it instead of hiding away from the division ... accept that it may take some time, and that some people find testing their faith even against scripture a very painful experience indeed , let us love one another then in coming to His ONE truth, regret the pain it may cause , but see that the truth with brief pain at giving up false [to scripture] beliefs is better than divided religion with soothsaying ....

Now the site ,after much deliberation between sinners and nany saints we have among us , decided on the 'Nicean creed' as defining what is a 'normal christian' , and attempts still contuinue to sideline and censor anyone who has anything to say about the real scriptural differeneces from this creed , one could even say that without understanding ALL the scripture as one truth, one should never invent a creed at all to replace scripture as the standard ... but there is an easier route than t

hat in scripture itself, God Himself reveals through his siants what He requires of a christian , and very few people who think they are christians seem to measure up to it, so here it is from God , not me :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

That is the very foundation of God and is sure and is the seal of those that are His , as distinct from those that are not... [see Rev 7:3-4 for those few saints sealed this way]

It explains then why all the congregation of God in scripture are referred to as saints , not sinners...

It does NOT mean that they WERE not sinners , for all havre sinned [except Jesus it is understood] , but that they all departed from sin, ceasede to be sinners for the latter part of their life, they die saints, ready for the first resurection and immediate tanslation to spirit because theya re sanctified IN LIFE, perfected in love throuh trial by 'fire' IN LIFE before death...

One then does not continue in sin if one names the name of Jesus Christ , one ceases to sin in obedience to Jesus commandment as lord to love... sin is the opposite of love, it is failure to love , Jesus commands it of christians, so that he is not the lord of those who are still sinners by his return... he undelines this for us in explicit detail :-

Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus says that those not ceasing from sin by his return are exactly those whom he says that he never knew... thus it is not the inviting of Jesus into one's life that saves one through Jesus Christ , but the departing from sin ...

What about grace then , can one not sin any ammount and still be regarded as sinless ? St Paul addresses this comman fallacy :-

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The requirement then is to deapart from sin, that is the foundation stone laid by God in Jesus Christ showing men that life as a man without sin is possible, even if it leads to other men hating one so much without reason that they kill one for one's truth acquired to cause sinlessness beyond sme point in life , long enough to be tried in perfection of that love during the latter part of one's life ... just as Jesus too was trialled by Satan ...

 

[dayhiker]

HI stranger,
Interesting post. I must say the denominal differences don't bother me any where near as much as they bother you. I've vided and attended quite a few over the years and have found the love of Jesus in all I've attended. So I didn't see any problem.

 

[stranger]

HI stranger,
Interesting post. I must say the denominal differences don't bother me any where near as much as they bother you. I've vided and attended quite a few over the years and have found the love of Jesus in all I've attended. So I didn't see any problem.

Not being able to see the problem is not necessarily a good thing... and there are only a very few christians who worship Jesus the Messiah of Israel , most are very happy worshipping the false image created by Satan as Jesus said almost all men will [Rev 13:3-8]

It is thus only a 'problem' that men worship the 'antichristos' [one in place of the Christ] when one notices that Jesus promised all truth to those who truly follow him [John 16:13] , that there are few who fnd the strait narrow way in this life, not the many christians of modern divided christianity [Matthew 7:14] ... so most christians will be left when Jesus returns , and the reason Jesus already told us, they will still be sinners because they weretaught by sinners that Jesus would not look at their sins if they cry out that he is their lord loud enough as they disobey his commandment to love and carry on sinning...

It matters not because the many will be saved later [Rev 7:9-10] who go by the broad way through destruction in death as Jesus did ...

Except that some poor fool has to hang around and explain that they could have read the scripture and found out beforehand, else they will be gnashing their teeth at God until they die for their sin

All the bcongregation of God are sealed and the seal is told, it is their sainthood, to depart from iniquity , and HJesus has said straight that he cannot take any sinners... one has then to stop sinning and become a saint if one is to be taken by Jesus at his return, else it is death frees one from sin, not grace, and one will not then live again until the second resurrection... then one is judged by works in the kingdom, not by grace :-

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

No-one can hide away in hell then. all are resurrected to the kingdom come on earth , all get to either live righteously in the new earth or to die yet aain, a secod death to free them from sin yet again

Romans 6:7 [KJV]For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:7 [REB]For, he that hath died, hath become righteously acquitted from his sin.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Righteousness after the second resurrection will thus save one from dying yet again as the wages of sin at judgment day...

That leaves only the lake of 'fire' from God [His truth being made apparent to the most evil o men left after God baptised all men [Joel 2:28] to know His truth and these alone still reject love as the only way of life]

One can see then that evil will not 'pay' i the lake of fire, all will be preying on each other because that is what they believe in, but none will benefit because they will all be preyed upon just as much as the prey on others... a loving solution by God then , take away those who are not so evil and those who are left soon see their way does not work for them any longer , and sue for God's enduring mercy ...

It is so awesomely beautiful, just , and loving , God requires but three phases in His plan to be able to redeem even the most evil of men....

first get the priests perfect, one only needs a few , just 144,000 is enough to sereve over ten billion, each one serving as many as Jesus did in this earth...

then take away those who are least evil so the i the lake of fire men create their own trial and God's truth hurts them because they prey on each other... just a practical demo for those who will not take God's say-so in baptism of the spirit ...

I do not see that the scripture is that ahrd to follow , so one must be aware that Satan uses clever means to delude over a billion christians taht it isn't so ... even inventing his own version of a christ, himself as the god of men, and an army of hundreds of thousands of sinners all pretending to be priests when God doesn't need any priests yet ...

cos' He isn't gonna save the masses till later [Rev 7:9-10]

Thus it matters only if one cares what the scripture says , and if one cannot help feeling sorry for the billions decieved by sinner priesthoods [not of the order of Melchisedec , not belonging to Jesus' order of priests , nor even Levites of the old covenant, just theatriical well-dressed-up fakes put there ,many in fake temples with hewn altars and even idols , by Satan , led astray originally by a pagan who called himself a god and assumed the title 'one in place of the son of God '... a literal translation of the Greek 'antichristos' :-

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

What can one say then when God Himself requires that men be deluded for a while so that He can use them as bait to snare Satan into admitting his blasphemy [albeit to himself - 2Thess 2:4 -, but God needs only that to condemn him to death as a man .. to show him he is no god at all ...

Ezekiel 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Thus my only concern is to be in a position to comfort thoae who are currently led astray by sinners dressed up in robes , and these mock priests themselves... it seems some poor sinner has to do it because the saints have all left by then with Jesus ...

I do not mind this task at all, I even asked if I could be the last one saved to make sure that everyone is safe before leaving, but God refused me that [since Satan inevitably must be the last , all his support just fading away in the lake of fire , leaving him alone, God's way of showing even him that he commands no-one any longer and is no god ... the prodigal son of God finally admits that he was wrong and all men rejoice in the truly awesome accomplishment of God by love alone, to redeem all creation, get all to accept Jesus' dominion as lord of all and so be saved through turmning to the law of love commanded by Jesus to those who follow him and obey him as their lord

Again then it is trult contradictory what sinners teach in churches, Jesus is not anyone's lord if they disobey him and sin at all ... Jesus commands love, and so only saints have him as their lord... this he also spells out , but sinners are too hooked on soothssayings to hear what a mere Christ says written in scripture ... they have their own chris figure who tells them waht they want to hear, and will be happy with that until Jesus returns and doesn't take anyone who still sins...


Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Proverbs 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

It leaves no room ,does it, for the private interpretation by sinners that is already prevalent in modern christianity, that just didn't exist when Jesus was around.... no wonder really that non-christians call all christians [bar the saints] hypocrites because they still sin and disobey Jesus, but love to pretend he is their lord as the disobey him and sin....

21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Luke 6:46 ‘And why do ye call me, Lord, Lord, and do not what I say?
47 Every one who is coming unto me, and is hearing my words, and is doing them, I will shew you to whom he is like;...

Jesus commanded men to love, sin is not love ...sin is the very opposite of love, sinners then do NOT follow Jesus, he will reject all who do not stop sinning and perfect their love in obedience to him as their lord...

 

[dayhiker]

strenger ... you sure read the Bible a lot differant than I do.

I've been to many churches in my life and I've found many people that love Jesus with all their heart and love their neighbor as themselves. Yet, when I read what you write I get the impression you think these people are sinners and will not get to be with Jesus till they suffer and die again and again.

I think all who call on the name of Jesus will be saved.

dayhiker

 

[stranger]

strenger ... you sure read the Bible a lot differant than I do.

I've been to many churches in my life and I've found many people that love Jesus with all their heart and love their neighbor as themselves. Yet, when I read what you write I get the impression you think these people are sinners and will not get to be with Jesus till they suffer and die again and again.

I think all who call on the name of Jesus will be saved.

dayhiker

All men serve God's purpose , sinners or saints , He made us that way:-

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Jesus died for everyone and none can say whether someone who is a sinner today with no belief in the Messiah of Israel will believe so at Jesus' return or nay...

We can neither judge men nor their purpose for God until we know all truth from Him [John 16:13] and even then, as saints, we would withold our judgment until it is time for it according to god's perfect scheduling...

So I am only mouthing what I read in the bible, often astonished at what it does say...

These some of the more outstanding statements that rock one out of one's seat :-

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

What will a billion 'christians' be worshipping when all the world worships an image created by Satan of a christ figure?

Jesus himself is telling us they will worship the dragon, satan, albeit thathe looks like an angel of light ...

How could that be if the image of Jesus in religion is not already false?

So I check it out, and the Jesus of scripture saves the world by first being the messiah of Israel, the king who re-unites Israel into a nation of priests, then uses this perfected priesthood afterwards to redeem billions of gentiles...

Fine, but it means that Israel is indeed having to be redeemed first , which is unstrangely exactly what scripture says, but then gentiles cannot be first , they must be second , so they are redeemed after the second resurrection, not at Jesus return... again the scripture agrees with this ...

but then God does not baptise the gentiles now, but only after their death frees them from sin, so they do not need grace...

I look up the new covenant of grace [Heb 8:8-12] and find that it is indeed only with the House of Judah and the House of Israel... I begin to see that religion is the part that is wrong, not scripture ...

So I look and see taht Jesus said taht religion MUST go awry, falling away ... that most men will worship satan as the Christ, not him, and it must be so... it sort of rocks one back in one's chair ...

 

[dayhiker]

sounds to me that you don't believe paul when he tells how Jesus took down the wall of division between the Jew and the Gentile so that we are all one in Christ. I don't see anywhere that the bible teaches that there is no salvation till Isreal is saved. Actaully Paul is pretty clear that we are the true Isreal of God.

Do you agree with Peter where he says we are already living in the end times?

Well, keep reading the word.
dayhiker

 

[stranger]

sounds to me that you don't believe paul when he tells how Jesus took down the wall of division between the Jew and the Gentile so that we are all one in Christ.

There never was any wall my friend and Paul never took any such wakll down... you have been learning from books and teachings of sinners instead of doing the work alone with God and your bible...

I don't see anywhere that the bible teaches that there is no salvation till Isreal is saved.

Rev 7:3-10

Actaully Paul is pretty clear that we are the true Isreal of God.

Actually Paul says taht the new covenant of grace is with those whose fathers broke the old covenant -Heb 8:8-9

Do you agree with Peter where he says we are already living in the end times?

yes

Well, keep reading the word.

Well, keep reading the word.
and stop learning from sinners, learn from the saints !

May His peace be with you
in the trials ahead
through faith in love

 

[dayhiker]

Hi Stranger,
Gee, so you think I should not read your posts since I shouldn't learn anything from sinners. Well, maybe you think you have sin! I think I'm a sinner just like everyone else is. But I find that my love for Jesus helps me tolove people and so fulfill the law.

I don't pu as much emphesis on Jesus being the Messiah of Isreal as you do. To me Jesus is first of all the Savior of the whole world.

I'll pray about if I should fallow hour comments about not learning from sinners and so stop reading your posts.

smile
dayhiker

 

[stranger]

As you will see , I have simply repeated in effect what the scripture says ... few find the strait narrow way in this life [Matt 7:14] ,yet the many are saved afterward [Rev 7:9-10] ... the few are the rulers and kings in the kingdom on earth:

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

which explains why Jesus takes them first ... but Jesus' kingdom come on the earth
is not on THIS earth :

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

Thus the kingdom is in the new earth after the few have been readied to serve and rule as images of Christ, NOT as sinners :-

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

So you see you do not have to listen to me, simply read it for yourself in your bible... those who wrote weren't sinners but saints and prophets of God.

but the truth in scripture is very different than that taught by sinners in countless divided churches...