The Science of Creation

[Benwilbur]

Then your god is a created being, therefore you're worshipping an idol. God is the creator of the universe, he isn't part of the universe, any more than an artist is "part of" his painting.

No......I worship the God of the Bible, YHWH.

God didn't Create the universe he Created US In the universe. He created the Planets, the Stars, people etc...

 

[artybloke]

God is not confined to the Bible. Or to your flawed reading of it.

 

[Benwilbur]

You are conflating what we know about time, with conjecture worthy of Star Trek, with a spectacular misunderstanding of spacetime continua.

The universe being Predetermined is a Fact man.

what exactly do you mean by "nothing is in that dimension"? If this is a typo, then I must stress the importance of proper English in discussions such as these; a slip in conjugation can change the entire meaning of a sentence.

I believe what I said was improperly written, yes. But my Meaning is there.
If nothing with that 5th dimension exists then what is the point of knowing about it.

Except a) you haven't "explained" God at all (what does that even mean?), and b) there isn't even evidence of God's existence, let alone inner mechanics.

I have indeed explained God, slightly. I do not expect ever to completely understand Him. But the Basic How he created us, How he can know the future events and How he heals.
I can explain all these easily.
There are several different explanations for each thing he can do.

 

[Benwilbur]

God is not confined to the Bible. Or to your flawed reading of it.

I never said God was confined to the Bible?????
And no I am not flawed at reading it.
You are not Defending God or The Truth.
You are only defending Orthodox Christian Beliefs.
Which have been proven wrong in the past.

 

[artybloke]

And no I am not flawed at reading it.

What makes you better at reading the Bible than anyone else?

You are only defending Orthodox Christian Beliefs.

I'm doing nothing of the sort. I'm saying that God is not limited to your understanding of him, that's all.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Then your god is a created being, therefore you're worshipping an idol. God is the creator of the universe, he isn't part of the universe, any more than an artist is "part of" his painting.

What if the artist uses his own body as a canvas? Likewise, what if God is the universe, or some small subset of it? Why must a Creator deity not be part of its own Creation?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The universe being Predetermined is a Fact man.

So you keep saying, but I've yet to see any justification for this claim, from you, or from anyone else. It should go without saying that predestination is an unbiblical notion: the Bible is quite emphatic about the existence of choice.

I believe what I said was improperly written, yes. But my Meaning is there.
If nothing with that 5th dimension exists then what is the point of knowing about it.
Whoever said there had to be a point? Is it not enough to marvel at the world we live in, to rejoice as we learn its hidden secrets?

I have indeed explained God, slightly. I do not expect ever to completely understand Him.

But the Basic How he created us, How he can know the future events and How he heals.
I can explain all these easily.

Please do. Please explain:
a) How God created us,
b) How he can know the future, and
c) How he heals.

I'm guessing the answer to (b) involves 3D time, but I'm not at all convinced a being that exists in a multitude of temporal dimensions is any more privy to the future than we are.

 

[Benwilbur]

What makes you better at reading the Bible than anyone else?

When did I ever say I am better at Reading the bible than anyone else.
I said that I wasn't Flawed at reading it.

I'm doing nothing of the sort. I'm saying that God is not limited to your understanding of him, that's all.

And I am asking you What is your Basis on this claim

 

[Benwilbur]

So you keep saying, but I've yet to see any justification for this claim, from you, or from anyone else. It should go without saying that predestination is an unbiblical notion: the Bible is quite emphatic about the existence of choice.

Yes we have a Choice. But Prophecies can only be made if the Future ins Pre-determined.
How could God tell some one what is going to happen in Prophecies if what is going to happen isn't Guaranteed.
So In Essence the bible Does actually defend Pre-determined Time.





Please do. Please explain:
a) How God created us,
b) How he can know the future, and
c) How he heals.

I'm guessing the answer to (b) involves 3D time, but I'm not at all convinced a being that exists in a multitude of temporal dimensions is any more privy to the future than we are.[/quote]


a)
Creation of Us is based off of Transferring Energy into Matter.
If God is Energy, Or he can control it, He could Transfer the Energy into Matter.

b)
Picture Time like a Race Track. We(All of us) are A Runner(improper use of English deliberate as we all move through time at the same speed)
If God existed as 3d time he, Floats above the Race track. The Runners are unaware of what comes ahead, unless informed from some one who already knows, But God, who is above the track, can see what is going to happen in the race.

c)
All Diseases are Curable, and Most Injuries can be healed(excluding Incineration or if you were completely Disintegrated).
All Someone has to do is Have the Complete Knowledge of the Universe to Cure or Heal injuries and/or Diseases.
Even us Humans, given enough time, could cure AIDS,Cancer and Heal any injuries. This can be explained by just saying God is Smarter than us

 

[Jim Larmore]

There is a theory of quantum mechanics that does seem to show that God exists. Particulary the Copenhagen interpretation involving the Omega Observer and collapsing waves. When I was taking general/organic and bio- chemistry, Physics etc. I learned alot about energy, reactions and the general state of most things , but theorectical physics puts a pretty skewed view on a lot of what we know about matter and energy. Not to mention what dark matter really is. It's over 90% of all the mass in the universe but is not made up of atoms, what the heck?

The truth is we just don't know what dark matter is. Given the fact that over 90% of all that exists is made up of stuff we can't see or know anything about tells us we shouldn't be so arrogant in our conclusions.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Wiccan_Child]

There is a theory of quantum mechanics that does seem to show that God exists. Particulary the Copenhagen interpretation involving the Omega Observer and collapsing waves.

Could you elaborate on this? I'm not aware of anything quantum mechanical that would imply the existence of any particle deity (half-hashed misinterpretations of quantum theory (e.g., What the bleep do we know!?) notwithstanding).

When I was taking general/organic and bio- chemistry, Physics etc. I learned alot about energy, reactions and the general state of most things , but theorectical physics puts a pretty skewed view on a lot of what we know about matter and energy. Not to mention what dark matter really is. It's over 90% of all the mass in the universe but is not made up of atoms, what the heck?

Well, there's no reason why the universe should make sense .

The truth is we just don't know what dark matter is. Given the fact that over 90% of all that exists is made up of stuff we can't see or know anything about tells us we shouldn't be so arrogant in our conclusion.

Yet that is an arrogant statement in and of itself: how do we know that dark matter isn't itself dwarfed by some even more esoteric substance?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Yes we have a Choice. But Prophecies can only be made if the Future ins Pre-determined.
How could God tell some one what is going to happen in Prophecies if what is going to happen isn't Guaranteed.

Because God need only interfere with the universe at that time. He could simply let the universe run its course until such time as he wants to fulfil the prophecy, and hey presto, prophecy fulfilled. Free will needn't be usurped, merely that God's word be immutable.

So In Essence the bible Does actually defend Pre-determined Time.

Nope. Besides, you haven't explain how choice can exist in a deterministic universe.

Please do. Please explain:
a) How God created us,
b) How he can know the future, and
c) How he heals.

I'm guessing the answer to (b) involves 3D time, but I'm not at all convinced a being that exists in a multitude of temporal dimensions is any more privy to the future than we are.

a)
Creation of Us is based off of Transferring Energy into Matter.
If God is Energy, Or he can control it, He could Transfer the Energy into Matter.

How, exactly? It's all very well saying "He created us by creating us", but that's just a tautology.

b)
Picture Time like a Race Track. We(All of us) are A Runner(improper use of English deliberate as we all move through time at the same speed)
If God existed as 3d time he, Floats above the Race track. The Runners are unaware of what comes ahead, unless informed from some one who already knows, But God, who is above the track, can see what is going to happen in the race.

Why does our compulsion to move forward in time not apply to God?

c)
All Diseases are Curable, and Most Injuries can be healed(excluding Incineration or if you were completely Disintegrated).
All Someone has to do is Have the Complete Knowledge of the Universe to Cure or Heal injuries and/or Diseases.
Even us Humans, given enough time, could cure AIDS,Cancer and Heal any injuries. This can be explained by just saying God is Smarter than us

Not all diseases are necessarily curable. Besides, this is not an explanation: "How does God heal?" "He heals because he's smart".