The scarlet beast is....

[Douggg]

The Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is "_____________________" (fill in the blank)

 

[Douggg]

The Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is "_____________________" (fill in the blank)

The Scarlet beast is - Satan.

 

[sandman]

The Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is "_____________________" (fill in the blank)

reddish-orange

 

[Douggg]

reddish-orange

in terms of visible light. in terms of pigments, more of a rich deep red. But that does not address the question.

 

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The Scarlet beast is - Satan.

That is not possible, because of Revelation 20:10.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are...."

In this text, Satan is listed separately from the Scarlet Beast and the False Prophet (the Land Beast).

Also because of Revelation 16:13.

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet."

In this text, the Dragon (which is Satan) is listed separately from this Beast and the False Prophet (the Land Beast).

 

[d taylor]

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The Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is "It is Paul's man of sin which is the same person as the beast out of the sea.(fill in the blank)

And Rome is the harlot/women

 

[Douggg]

That is not possible, because of Revelation 20:10.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are...."

In this text, Satan is listed separately from the Scarlet Beast and the False Prophet (the Land Beast).

Satan is the red dragon in Revelation 12. Scarlet is type of red.

Both the Scarlet beast and the red dragon have seven heads and ten horns. As does the composite beast out of the sea in Revelation 13.

The key is to understand what connects them all together according to time, and function.

In Revelation 17, the beast is at the time of John, 1st century.

In Revelation 12, the beast is at the time that the seven years begin before Jesus's return.

 

[dfw69]

The Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is "_____________________" (fill in the blank)

3 things

A kingdom that once existed but now doesn’t exist but will exist in the future Rev 17:8

The beast is a King and Paul’s man of sin and the antichrist who is prophesied to come

The beast is also a fallen angel out of the bottomless pit named abaddon/Apollyon Rev 17:8

 

[3 Resurrections]

Both the Scarlet beast and the red dragon have seven heads and ten horns. As does the composite beast out of the sea in Revelation 13.

Of course they all do, but that does not make them all one and the same identical character. There are enough differences between all these 3 Beasts and the Dragon to make it impossible for any of them to be the same character.

In Revelation 12, the beast is at the time that the seven years begin before Jesus's return.

Satan the Dragon is not any of the 3 Beasts. Satan worked deceptively behind the scenes with all of them, but he is not any of the Beasts.

And the time for the war in heaven in Revelation 12 when Satan and his devils were cast out was predicted by Christ in John 12:31, just five days before His crucifixion.

"NOW is the judgment of this world: NOW shall the prince of this world be CAST OUT." Satan would be cast out of heaven with his devils down to earth to oppress the world with his deception, and this would bring judgment on the world. This casting out of Satan and his devils after that war in heaven was not going to wait until Jesus' second coming return. It would take place at Christ's resurrection-day ascension. Satan lost his ability to accuse the brethren when Christ and his blood sacrifice on their behalf arrived in heaven that morning after His resurrection.

On the night of the Last Supper, Christ repeated this warning of Satan's soon coming in John 14:30. Satan would be coming down to earth to oppress the inhabitants of earth and sea at that time.

"Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me."

We also have the timing when Satan was judged and cast out of heaven's "courtroom" mentioned in John 16:7-11. Christ foretold that the Comforter would come to the disciples after He went away. When He came, the Comforter would convince the world of sin, righteousness, and of judgment - and that judgment was in reference to Satan who had already been judged by the time the Comforter had been given at Christ's ascension.

You have the timing for Satan's war in heaven scheduled wrong, according to Christ.

 

[Douggg]

Satan the Dragon is not any of the 3 Beasts.

It says right in the text of Revelation 12:9 that the great dragon with the 7 heads and ten horns is Satan.

And the time for the war in heaven in Revelation 12 when Satan and his devils were cast out was predicted by Christ in John 12:31, just five days before His crucifixion.

In John 12:31, do you see any mention of Michael like in Revelation 12:7 and Daniel 12:1 ?

You have the timing for Satan's war in heaven scheduled wrong, according to Christ.

No, I have not. Following the future war in (the second) heaven in Revelation 12, involving Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels - Satan has only a short time remaining of a time/times/half time - which means that war could not have taken place 2000 years ago.

 

[3 Resurrections]

It says right in the text of Revelation 12:9 that the great dragon with the 7 heads and ten horns is Satan.

But that does not make the Dragon Satan any one of the three Beasts. I have already listed the two texts above (Rev. 16:13 and Rev. 20:10) that show the Dragon / Satan listed as a separate character from the Beasts, and somehow you are dismissing those. The Scarlet and Red colors of the Rev. 17 Scarlet Beast and Satan the Dragon respectively do not make them the same creature. If that were true, then the red horse in Revelation 6:4 would also be Satan the Dragon. Also, Christ in Revelation 19:13 dressed in a garment dipped in blood (red, of course) would also be Satan, which is not possible.

The woman riding the back of the Scarlet Beast is also dressed in scarlet and purple. She is drunk with the shed blood of the martyred prophets and saints of Jesus, which Christ said had been true of Old Jerusalem, so the scarlet color befits her description as well. Yet this scarlet color does not make the Mystery Babylon harlot the same as Satan simply because of this scarlet color associated with her.

The Scarlet or Red color in scripture serves as a symbol of bloodshed and / or warfare. Satan the Dragon being called "a murderer from the beginning" would naturally be represented by the red color. The Scarlet Beast as the independent kingdom of Israel was a kingdom born of warfare and extensive bloodshed. So naturally the scarlet color would be employed in its description also.

In John 12:31, do you see any mention of Michael like in Revelation 12:7 and Daniel 12:1 ?

I don't need to. It is enough for Christ to predict the soon-coming time when Satan would be cast out in John 12:31 without Him also telling the disciples just how that would be accomplished in heaven . If you are thinking that Satan still is in existence with access to heaven and the ability to accuse the brethren before God, then you must not believe that Christ really did come "to destroy the works of the devil" (1 John 3:8). The verse Hebrews 2:14 tells us that "through death He might annul him who had the power of death, that is, the devil..." You must not believe that Christ's sacrificial death was able to accomplish annulling Satan's ability to accuse the brethren before God on His resurrection-day ascension to heaven. If Christ had not done so that day, this would make Christ's high priesthood absolutely useless on our behalf all the way until the end of fallen man's history on this planet.

No, I have not. Following the future war in (the second) heaven in Revelation 12, involving Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels - Satan has only a short time remaining of a time/times/half time - which means that war could not have taken place 2000 years ago.

You are arbitrarily assigning the length of Satan's "short time" as the equivalent of a time, times, and half a time. We are told in Revelation 20:3-7 that Satan was loosed to deceive the nations again for a "little season" after the millennium ended with the "First resurrection". That "First resurrection" event belonged to Christ and the Matthew 27:52-53 saints rising from the dead as the "First-fruits". Satan's "little season" of Rev. 20 is the same as the "short time" of Rev. 12:12 that Satan had left to exist after he was cast out of heaven on the morning after Christ's resurrection. When compared to a "LONG season" of 40 years of wilderness wandering in Joshua 24:7, a "LITTLE season" would comparatively be less time than 40 years. Satan's "short time" and "little season" to operate after Christ's resurrection-day ascension lasted longer than the time, times, and half a time you are proposing, because the armor of God in Ephesians 6 (written around AD 62-64) was still necessary at that time to combat an active Satan.

You are basing your proof of a future war in heaven on your presumed belief that Satan is still in existence today. Scripture tells you just how little a time Satan had to exist back in that first century, and you are not believing it. God was going to crush Satan under the feet of the saints "shortly" in Romans 16:20. If you already believe that a "short time" amounts to about 3-1/2 years, then you should have no trouble realizing that Satan in that first century really did not have much longer to exist. That Romans 16:20 promise to the believers was written around AD 60 regarding Satan's soon-coming demise. If you want to disregard this blessing of Satan's annihilation back then, that is your choice, of course. But "shortly" in scripture really does mean "shortly" in the lifetime experience of those first-century believers. Satan the Dragon is a dead foe, and has been for 1,953 years to date. God slew that Dragon long ago, as Isaiah 27:1 predicted.

 

[Douggg]

The Scarlet and Red colors of the Rev. 17 Scarlet Beast and Satan the Dragon respectively do not make them the same creature. If that were true, then the red horse in Revelation 6:4 would also be Satan the Dragon.

The red horse does not have 7 heads and 10 horns.

The woman riding the back of the Scarlet Beast is also dressed in scarlet and purple

The woman does not have 7 heads and 10 horns.

You are basing your proof of a future war in heaven on your presumed belief that Satan is still in existence today.

1Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

[3 Resurrections]

1Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

That verse was true of that generation at that time. 1 Peter 5:8 was written around AD 65, and Satan that "anointed cherub" had not yet been turned into ashes on the earth so that he would exist no more. But Satan's then-current "short time" and "little season" of freely walking about "as a roaring lion" was rapidly coming to a close, because that Romans 16:20 promise of God crushing Satan under the feet of the believers "shortly" was about to come to pass by the close of AD 70.

And you are still disregarding the two texts which I have given (Rev. 13:16 and Rev. 20:10) that list the Dragon / Satan as being totally distinct from the other 3 Beast characters.

Satan was not the Scarlet Beast. Up to the time John was writing Revelation, there had never been a time when Satan first "WAS" in existence, then "IS NOT" in existence, then "IS" once more in existence, as was true of the Scarlet Beast's fluctuating biography. This difference in biographical records makes the identities of Satan and the Scarlet Beast mutually exclusive from each other.

 

[Douggg]

That verse was true of that generation at that time. 1 Peter 5:8 was written around AD 65, and Satan that "anointed cherub" had not yet been turned into ashes on the earth so that he would exist no more.

Satan turned to ashes will be at the time he will be visibly exposed for the kings of the earth to see him, literally. Up to that time, he will be a terror. If Satan is turned into ashes on earth as everyone watches - then how is he going to be cast into the bottomless pit, and later into the lake of fire ? (I explain down below)

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


How that is going to be fulfilled is at Jesus's return, at which time Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit. My graphics shows a fire coming up in the midst of Satan, and him within the living statue image of the beast, that statue being turned to ashes, before Satan is then cast into the bottomless pit.

 

[Douggg]

Many wicked man visits her city.

She can transfigure into any woman a wicked man desires.

Through her, a child is born fatherless.

Because of her, a wife becomes a widow.

She is an idol created by man.

Veni, you are making it look like I wrote...

Douggg said: The Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is "SEXUAL FANTASY" (fill in the blank)

Please, go back edit your post and remove "SEXUAL FANTASY" in you quote of me.

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I was asking for other people's opinion of who the Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is.

If your opinion is that the Scarlet beast of Revelation is Sexual Fantasy, make it clear that is your opinion and not mine.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Satan turned to ashes will be at the time he will be visibly exposed for the kings of the earth to see him, literally. Up to that time, he will be a terror.

But I do agree with this part. And I agree that Ezekiel 28:17-19 predicted the end of Satan's existence, so that "never shalt thou exist anymore".

The "kings of the earth" as the high priests of Israel actually did literally see this by the close of AD 70. Satan was burned up in that city of Jerusalem's Lake of Fire judgement and was reduced to literal ashes on the earth. And the high priest "kings of the earth" who were besieged inside Jerusalem saw this happen.

God had once said that His fire was in Zion and His furnace was in Jerusalem (Isaiah 31:9). That was the location on the earth where Satan met his end in Jerusalem's Lake of Fire conditions. God slew that Dragon, as Isaiah 27:1 had predicted.

AD 66-70 Jerusalem was the site where the entire demonic realm was imprisoned. Revelation 18:2 says that Babylon the great (that "great city" Jerusalem who had slain the prophets and saints over the millennia) would become a "habitation of devils" and a "prison" (phulake) of EVERY UNCLEAN SPIRIT. Christ had predicted in Matthew 12:43-45 that same seven-fold explosion of demonic possession for that generation in its "last state", which would be worse than its "first state" when He was among them casting out devils. And this explosion of demonic possession in Israel became true during the years of AD 66-70, most specifically in the city of Jerusalem itself.

Isaiah 24:21-23 had also predicted that God would punish by imprisoning the "host of the high ones that are on high" along with the "kings of the earth" in Jerusalem for "many days". After those "many days" of imprisonment together, those imprisoned "kings of the earth" and the punished "high ones that are on high" would be "found wanting". That means the devils and the high priest "kings of the earth" would be GONE from existence together at the same time. Since we no longer have high priests around, this is a fulfilled prophecy.

Zechariah 13:2 also predicted in the time when Jerusalem's siege took place (Zechariah 12:2) that the entire prophecy for Israel "in that day" from Zechariah chapters 12-14 would include the time when God would cause the unclean spirit to "pass out of the land". That means there are no more unclean spirits around to possess anybody from then on.

Scripture never said Satan was going to be cast into the abyss at Christ's return. That condition of being in the abyss for a literal thousand years put a chain on Satan's deception of the nations back in Solomon's days until the day Christ was resurrected (the "First resurrection"). When that millennium expired in AD 33, Satan was loosed on earth after that "First resurrection". This release of Satan on earth lasted for just a "short time" until he was slain by God by the close of the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem by means of the Lake of Fire conditions in the city.

Scripture also never says anything about Satan disguising himself inside a golden image as the Abomination of desolation. That "abomination of desolation" was interpreted by Luke 21:20 as "Jerusalem surrounded by armies". Which happened back in AD 66, causing about 1-1/4 million believers to flee from Judea and Jerusalem for the mountains as Christ had instructed them beforehand.

Your graphics need some revision.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is "_____________________" (fill in the blank)

Well, what does the Bible say?

"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come. This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while. As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction." - Revelation 17:8-11

It's Roman imperial power, the seven heads are literally a succession of rulers (βασιλεῖς basileis) and the seven hills of ancient Rome--which is what the Prostitute "Babylon" represents (verse 18).

This was considered obvious by the ancient fathers of the Church:

"So, again, Babylon, in our own John, is a figure of the city Rome, as being equally great and proud of her sway, and triumphant over the saints" - Tertullian of Carthage, An Answer to the Jews, Ch. 9

"Read the apocalypse of John, and consider what is sung therein of the woman arrayed in purple, and of the blasphemy written upon her brow, of the seven mountains, of the many waters, and of the end of Babylon. 'Come out of her, my people,' so the Lord says, 'that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.' Turn back also to Jeremiah and pay heed to what he has written of like import: 'Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul. For 'Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit.' It is true that Rome has a holy church, trophies of apostles and martyrs, a true confession of Christ. The faith has been preached there by an apostle, heathenism has been trodden down, the name of Christian is daily exalted higher and higher." - St. Jerome, Letter 46, Ch. 12

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Douggg]

Scripture also never says anything about Satan disguising himself inside a golden image as the Abomination of desolation.

Satan will come to his end as a terror in the days of the beast and false prophet. During the time of the beast, the world will worship Satan, called the dragon, in Revelation 13:4.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

By incarnating the statue image of the beast person, the world by worshiping the image will unwittingly worship Satan, thinking it is some divine power speaking to them through the image, when the image comes to life, speaks.

In Ezekiel 28, when Satan becomes literally visibly exposed... if says of those who know him will be astonished. The world, who will have been worshiping the image, thinking it is some divine power speaking to them, will be astonished when they see who it really is - Satan.

Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Too dramatic of an event to have happened in the past. Still future.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Too dramatic of an event to have happened in the past. Still future.

Yes, it was dramatic, and it did happen. And those who witnessed it died in their turn.

Satan will come to his end as a terror in the days of the beast and false prophet. During the time of the beast, the world will worship Satan, called the dragon, in Revelation 13:4.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

This is first century history. During His earthly ministry, Christ accused the Jewish religious leadership of performing the same activities as their father the Devil. "The lusts of your father ye will do", He said. That Jewish religious leadership had also aligned themselves with the Roman Sea Beast, because they really thought Roman power was invulnerable, and they wanted to be on whichever side would preserve their own status quo to the best advantage. "We have no king but Caesar", they said.

By incarnating the statue image of the beast person, the world by worshiping the image will unwittingly worship Satan

There are NO scriptures that say Satan will incarnate a statue image of the beast. This is imaginary on your part.

 

[Douggg]

There are NO scriptures that say Satan will incarnate a statue image of the beast. This is imaginary on your part.

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

That scene takes place when Jesus returns to this earth and has just cast the beast and the false prophet - who will be in power when the dragon is worshiped, Revelation 13 - into the lake of fire.

The two will be standing on the temple mount when Jesus casts them into the lake of fire.

By what explanation of yours does Satan suddenly appear on the temple mount for John to see the angel come down from heaven and lay hold on Satan and bind him up? (that angel with the key to the bottomless pit and great chain in his hand will probably be Michael, btw)