THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[LoveGodsWord]

Like I said your idea makes a liar out of Jeremiah. It also makes a liar out of Jesus.

Nope, not at all. Where does it say in JEREMIAH that God's LAW (10 Commandments) are not eternal? Where does JESUS say that his LAW is not ETERNAL?

MATTHEW 5:17-22
[17], THIINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL.
[18], For truly I say to you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW TILL ALL BE FULFILLED
[19], WHOSEVER SHALL BREAK ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE COMMANDMENTS AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, SHALL BE CALLED LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[20], FOR I SAY UNTO YOU THAT UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES YOU SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, YOU SHALL NOT KILL; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[22], But I say to you, That WHOESEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT CAUSE WILL BE IN FANGER OF THE JUDGEMENT: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

MATTHEW 5:27-28
[27], YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY: [28], BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSEVER LOOKS ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HAS ALREADY COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH HER IN HIS HEART.

and in..

MATTHEW 5:31-32
[31], It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce:
[32], But I say unto you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

Once again can you see your error here brother? If there was no more of God's LAW (10 Commandments then why is JESUS teaching them? Not only is JESUS teaching them he is magnifying them according to the Prophecy of him in ISAIAH 42:21. HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IT HONORABLE.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise to LOVE and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

When JESUS is talking about LAW AND THE PROPHETS was until JOHN is that the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law and prophets all pointed to JESUS. These are not GOD's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. This is proven in the next verses LUKE 16:17-18 and the PARALLEL Gospels of MATTHEW 5:17-32 and all through the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures (Need more scripture? click me)

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Can you see your error of interpretation here brother? You left out the context of the scripture you quote.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

While Jeremiah didn't specifically say abolished the clear intent of Jeremiah is they would be set aside for a new covenant.

Thankyou for being honest. JEREMIAH did not say that God's LAW would be ABOLISHED. So why make claims that God's LAW (10 commandments) are abolished? JEREMIAH also did not make any claims that God's LAW (10 commandments would be set aside either. This would contradict all the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures spoken by JESUS and the APOSTLES *Scriptures here click me.

You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3;20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is that JEREMIAH is talking about how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? There is no GRACE for salvation without God's LAW because it is God's LAW that reveals GRACE to those who are in need of it and leads us to the cross of Christ that we might be FORGIVEN through FAITH *GALATIANS 3:22-25; MATTHEW 9:12-13. If you have not LAW then you have no SIN if you have no SIN you have not need of Christ.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Paul did say abolish in reference to the law. 2 Cor 3:13; Eph 2:16. Paul even said what replaces the law in 2 Tim 1:10.

Nope. No he didn't. What was to be abolished was the condemnation from the letter of the law in the NEW COVENANT promise in those who through FAITH in CHRIST'S death on the cross for our sins. These are all those who have been BORN AGAIN to to LOVE through FAITH in God's WORD to have a NEW HEART by the OPERATION of GOD *ROMANS 8:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9; HEBREWS 8:10-12. This is the operation of God and the ministation of God's Spirit *2 CORINTHIANS 3:1-18; GALATIANS 5:16; PHILIPIANS 2:13.

With your interpretation above your making PAUL contradict himself when he says;

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

ROMANS 8:4 THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

HEBREWS 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

etc; etc...

Can you see your error hear brother. God's Word does not contradict itself. When you find yourself in a position where your interpretation of the scriptures is contradicting other scriptures it should be a WARNING to you that your interpretation of the scriptures is not correct.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now you resort to not including the reference of your quote. Sure I know it's aimed directly at me. You see I understand the law and how it works. You must be seething inside to behave like this.

Not at all . Just asking if you know the scriptures and their meanings. Do you?

 

[ace of hearts]

Your response here for the 9 scriptures provided above showing that God's LAW is ETERNAL is to argue a single scripture provided in the 9 scriptures in PSALMS 119:160 which is translated in the NIV as All your words are true; ALL YOUR RIGHTEOUS LAWS ARE ETERNAL, the WORD used for laws does not mean law.

If you read what was provided in all the post you would see you were provided the complete rendering of the HEBREW WORD used here which is משׁפּט; mishpâṭ From H8199. The first rendering was included from the HEBREW dictionary which was justice or judgement based on DIVINE or human LAW. This is not the 4th or 5th rendering but the first as a complete thought.

Depending on the different bible version משׁפּט; mishpâṭ has been translated in english as; Justice; Judgement; LAW; Ordinances; Judgments, Word, Teachings, Rules, Regulations;

Essentially the correct meaning is all of GOD'S teachings are righteous and ETERNAL. The CONTEXT and subject matter of PSALMS 119 is God's WORD (teachings) and God's LAW being ETERNAL and the very definition of RIGHTEOSNESS *PSALMS 119:172.

I read your whole post. If you want to explain why different versions use different words, I'm all ears. Specifically I need you to explain why the KJV uses the word judgements and not law(s). The primary definition of the word is judgements or (an acceptable) verdicts. You need something more than text to prove it should be law(s). If you can't your idea is that of your religion.

Which ever bible translation is used for PSALMS 119:160 it does not really matter because GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) are the SPOKEN and WRITTEN WORD of God alone which the scriptures define both God's WORD and what God makes as being ETERNAL *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16; ECCLESIASTES 3:14; ISAIAH 40:8; 1 PETER 1:25; LUKE 21:33. God both Spoke the 10 commandments and wrote them personally and it was the work of GOD alone.

It does matter because of your agenda.

The NIV translates משׁפּט; mishpâṭ in PSALMS 119:160 as LAW. Judgement or Justice is based on LAW. You cannot have one without the other. If one is eternal so is the other. The other 8 scriptures also support the same view that God's LAW (10 commandments are eternal). So the fact is God's LAW (10 commandments) are eternal because that is what God's WORD teaches. To deny this is to deny God's WORD.

The NIV in it's many revisions is unacceptble to me for wrongly influencing the truth. One of my previous pastors said he always got into doctrinal problems using modern translations. The NIV is an attempt at universalism IMHO. Besides that I've noticed you prefer any translation that seems to promote your false teaching. That's all the more reason for me to reject the NIV in any of its editions.

Your trying to argue that RIGHTOUESNESS is not eternal when God's WORD defines the very standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS as God's LAW (10 commandments) *PSALMS 119:172 which gives us the very KNOWLEDGE of SIN if broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Hope this helps.

Arguing righteousness isn't what you're up to. In fact it isn't even close. You'll post anything to make your point without regard to the truth. You even reject Moses.

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope. No he didn't.

Sorry but I can read.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not at all . Just asking if you know the scriptures and their meanings. Do you?

Sorry but I can't and won't give you the words you want. You've your idea is and have implied I'm ignorant and lying in other posts.

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope, not at all. Where does it say in JEREMIAH that God's LAW (10 Commandments) are not eternal? Where does JESUS say that his LAW is not ETERNAL?

31:31

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope, not at all. Where does it say in JEREMIAH that God's LAW (10 Commandments) are not eternal? Where does JESUS say that his LAW is not ETERNAL?

MATTHEW 5:17-22
[17], THIINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL.
[18], For truly I say to you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW TILL ALL BE FULFILLED
[19], WHOSEVER SHALL BREAK ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE COMMANDMENTS AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, SHALL BE CALLED LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[20], FOR I SAY UNTO YOU THAT UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES YOU SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, YOU SHALL NOT KILL; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[22], But I say to you, That WHOESEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT CAUSE WILL BE IN FANGER OF THE JUDGEMENT: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

The evidence in the forum is you don't believe the above.

MATTHEW 5:27-28
[27], YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY: [28], BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSEVER LOOKS ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HAS ALREADY COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH HER IN HIS HEART.

and in..

MATTHEW 5:31-32
[31], It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce:
[32], But I say unto you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

Once again can you see your error here brother? If there was no more of God's LAW (10 Commandments then why is JESUS teaching them? Not only is JESUS teaching them he is magnifying them according to the Prophecy of him in ISAIAH 42:21. HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IT HONORABLE.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise to LOVE and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

By your own confession you acknowledge Jesus changed the law by magnification.

When JESUS is talking about LAW AND THE PROPHETS was until JOHN is that the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law and prophets all pointed to JESUS.

Those words aren't the words of Jesus. Go try to fool some one else.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Can you see your error of interpretation here brother? You left out the context of the scripture you quote.

Hope this helps

I don't think you've got me quoting Mat 22 anywhere. If you do post the link or withdraw your claim.

 

[ace of hearts]

Thankyou for being honest. JEREMIAH did not say that God's LAW would be ABOLISHED. So why make claims that God's LAW (10 commandments) are abolished? JEREMIAH also did not make any claims that God's LAW (10 commandments would be set aside either. This would contradict all the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures spoken by JESUS and the APOSTLES *Scriptures here click me.

You were informed of statements saying abolished and what Jeremiah's intent was. So you want to by-pass that. Nothing new.

You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3;20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is that JEREMIAH is talking about how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? There is no GRACE for salvation without God's LAW because it is God's LAW that reveals GRACE to those who are in need of it and leads us to the cross of Christ that we might be FORGIVEN through FAITH *GALATIANS 3:22-25; MATTHEW 9:12-13. If you have not LAW then you have no SIN if you have no SIN you have not need of Christ.

Hope this helps.

No I don't mix shadow laws up with other laws because they're all the same for me. You teach shadow law so you can divide the law and pit Scripture against itself.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I read your whole post. If you want to explain why different versions use different words, I'm all ears. Specifically I need you to explain why the KJV uses the word judgements and not law(s). The primary definition of the word is judgements or (an acceptable) verdicts. You need something more than text to prove it should be law(s). If you can't your idea is that of your religion. It does matter because of your agenda. The NIV in it's many revisions is unacceptble to me for wrongly influencing the truth. One of my previous pastors said he always got into doctrinal problems using modern translations. The NIV is an attempt at universalism IMHO.

If you read the whole post why are you only part quoting me when the answers to your question has already been given in the rest of the post you are part quoting from? Your just simply repeating yourself in this post while ignoring the post you are quoting from again.

Re-post here.

GOD'S LAW (TEN COMMANDMENTS) ARE INDEED ETERNAL

PSALMS 119:142-143 Your righteousness is an EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Your law is truth. Trouble and anguish have overtaken me, yet Your commandments are my delights.

PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of your word for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS

PSALMS 119:160 All your words are true; ALL YOUR RIGHTEOUS LAWS ARE ETERNAL.

ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

EXODUS 32:16, And THE TABLES WERE THE WORK OF GOD, AND THE WRITING WAS THE WRITING OF GOD, graven on the tables.

ISAIAH 40:8 [8], The grass wither, the flower fades: but THE WORD OF THE LORD OF OUR GOD SHALL ENDURE FOREVER.

EXODUS 20:1-17 GOD SPOKE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE GOD'S WORD (v1)

1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

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Your response here for the 9 scriptures provided above showing that God's LAW is ETERNAL is to argue a single scripture provided in the 9 scriptures in PSALMS 119:160 which is translated in the NIV as All your words are true; ALL YOUR RIGHTEOUS LAWS ARE ETERNAL, the WORD used for laws does not mean law.

If you read what was provided in all the post you would see you were provided the complete rendering of the HEBREW WORD used here which is משׁפּט; mishpâṭ From H8199. The first rendering was included from the HEBREW dictionary which was justice or judgement based on DIVINE or human LAW. This is not the 4th or 5th rendering but the first as a complete thought.

Depending on the different bible version משׁפּט; mishpâṭ has been translated in english as; Justice; Judgement; LAW; Ordinances; Judgments, Word, Teachings, Rules, Regulations;

Essentially the correct meaning is all of GOD'S teachings are righteous and ETERNAL. The CONTEXT and subject matter of PSALMS 119 is God's WORD (teachings) and God's LAW being ETERNAL and the very definition of RIGHTEOSNESS *PSALMS 119:172.

Which ever bible translation is used for PSALMS 119:160 it does not really matter because GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) are the SPOKEN and WRITTEN WORD of God alone which the scriptures define both God's WORD and what God makes as being ETERNAL *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16; ECCLESIASTES 3:14; ISAIAH 40:8; 1 PETER 1:25; LUKE 21:33. God both Spoke the 10 commandments and wrote them personally and it was the work of GOD alone.

The NIV translates משׁפּט; mishpâṭ in PSALMS 119:160 as LAW. Judgement or Justice is based on LAW. You cannot have one without the other. If one is eternal so is the other. The other 8 scriptures also support the same view that God's LAW (10 commandments are eternal). So the fact is God's LAW (10 commandments) are eternal because that is what God's WORD teaches. To deny this is to deny God's WORD.

Your trying to argue that RIGHTOUESNESS is not eternal when God's WORD defines the very standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS as God's LAW (10 commandments) *PSALMS 119:172 which gives us the very KNOWLEDGE of SIN if broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

As shown above this is God's WORD not mine and it shows that God's LAW (10 commandments) are ETERNAL. Your argument and claim is that God's WORD is not eternal when God's WORD says that it is. Your argument is with God not me.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Besides that I've noticed you prefer any translation that seems to promote your false teaching. That's all the more reason for me to reject the NIV in any of its editions.Arguing righteousness isn't what you're up to. In fact it isn't even close.

Not at all. When prayerfully studying God's WORD consideration will be given to the GREEK and HEBREW word meaning, the PARALLEL bible translations as well as the within scripture and chapter CONTEXT and also other scripture references on topical application. You have only been provided God's WORD and 9 scriptures showing that God's LAW (10 commandments) are eternal. These are God's WORD not mine. You ignore all 9 scriptures posted defining God's 10 Commandments as God's ETERNAL LAW to focus on one scriptures use of a single HEBREW WORD that has multiple applications that include justice, judgement of divine law. If you accept the NIV translation of PSALMS 119:16 or not, it is up to you. Ignoring the other 8 scriptures from God's WORD showing that God's LAW (10 commandments) are ETERNAL though is ignoring God's WORD. Your argument then is with God not me.

Arguing righteousness isn't what you're up to. In fact it isn't even close. You'll post anything to make your point without regard to the truth. You even reject Moses.

You have only been provided God's WORD. You simply provide your own words over God's WORD. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it magically dissappear. It is God's WORD not mine. Once again your argument is with God not me. You are free to believe as you wish. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sorry but I can read.

Here is the rest of the post you ignored here. Did you wish to respond to it this time? Then again you are so far behind in responding to and of the posts provided and the scriptures here that disagree with you. No need to reply if you cannot.

Re-post.

Nope. No he didn't. What was to be abolished was the condemnation from the letter of the law in the NEW COVENANT promise in those who through FAITH in CHRIST'S death on the cross for our sins. These are all those who have been BORN AGAIN to to LOVE through FAITH in God's WORD to have a NEW HEART by the OPERATION of GOD *ROMANS 8:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9; HEBREWS 8:10-12. This is the operation of God and the ministation of God's Spirit *2 CORINTHIANS 3:1-18; GALATIANS 5:16; PHILIPIANS 2:13.

With your interpretation above your making PAUL contradict himself when he says;

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

ROMANS 8:4 THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

HEBREWS 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

etc; etc...

Can you see your error hear brother. God's Word does not contradict itself. When you find yourself in a position where your interpretation of the scriptures is contradicting other scriptures it should be a WARNING to you that your interpretation of the scriptures is not correct.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

31:31

Nope. JEREMIAH 31:31 does not say God's LAW is ABOLISHED.

JEREMIAH 31:31 [31], Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah

If God's LAW (10 commandments) was abolsihed we would have no KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The evidence in the forum is you don't believe the above.

MATTHEW 5:27-28
[27], YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY: [28], BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSEVER LOOKS ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HAS ALREADY COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH HER IN HIS HEART.

and in..

MATTHEW 5:31-32
[31], It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce:
[32], But I say unto you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

Once again can you see your error here brother? If there was no more of God's LAW (10 Commandments then why is JESUS teaching them? Not only is JESUS teaching them he is magnifying them according to the Prophecy of him in ISAIAH 42:21. HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IT HONORABLE.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise to LOVE and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.
By your own confession you acknowledge Jesus changed the law by magnification.Those words aren't the words of Jesus. Go try to fool some one else.I don't think you've got me quoting Mat 22 anywhere. If you do post the link or withdraw your claim.

The evidence in the forum is that you do not read the posts and scriptures you are quoting from or do you address these posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you. Your post above is badly formated. You have my posts mixed in so it is hard to follow. I will just re-post as you have not addressed anything in the post here you are quoting from.

Nope, not at all. Where does it say in JEREMIAH that God's LAW (10 Commandments) are not eternal? Where does JESUS say that his LAW is not ETERNAL?

MATTHEW 5:17-22
[17], THIINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL.
[18], For truly I say to you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW TILL ALL BE FULFILLED
[19], WHOSEVER SHALL BREAK ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE COMMANDMENTS AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, SHALL BE CALLED LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[20], FOR I SAY UNTO YOU THAT UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES YOU SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, YOU SHALL NOT KILL; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[22], But I say to you, That WHOESEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT CAUSE WILL BE IN FANGER OF THE JUDGEMENT: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

MATTHEW 5:27-28
[27], YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY: [28], BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSEVER LOOKS ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HAS ALREADY COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH HER IN HIS HEART.

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MATTHEW 5:31-32
[31], It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce:
[32], But I say unto you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

Once again can you see your error here brother? If there was no more of God's LAW (10 Commandments then why is JESUS teaching them? Not only is JESUS teaching them he is magnifying them according to the Prophecy of him in ISAIAH 42:21. HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IT HONORABLE.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise to LOVE and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

When JESUS is talking about LAW AND THE PROPHETS was until JOHN is that the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law and prophets all pointed to JESUS. These are not GOD's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. This is proven in the next verses LUKE 16:17-18 and the PARALLEL Gospels of MATTHEW 5:17-32 and all through the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures (Need more scripture? click me)

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Can you see your error of interpretation here brother? You left out the context of the scripture you quote.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You were informed of statements saying abolished and what Jeremiah's intent was. So you want to by-pass that.

Nope. Not at all. You have posted nothing saying God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is ABOLISHED. That statement has no truth in it.

Nothing new. No I don't mix shadow laws up with other laws because they're all the same for me. You teach shadow law so you can divide the law and pit Scripture against itself.

Yep. Yes you do. This is where your error lies. Your mixing up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken.

Hope this help.

 

[ace of hearts]

If you read the whole post why are you only part quoting me when the answers to your question has already been given in the rest of the post you are part quoting from? Your just simply repeating yourself in this post while ignoring the post you are quoting from again.

There's no reason to quote your whole post most of the time. You seem to think that means I've ignored and not read it. I only need to quote enough to make a point. Your belligerence level is so high it's nasty. Take what you can get and forget the rest.

Re-post here.

GOD'S LAW (TEN COMMANDMENTS) ARE INDEED ETERNAL

PSALMS 119:142-143 Your righteousness is an EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Your law is truth. Trouble and anguish have overtaken me, yet Your commandments are my delights.

The emphasized in this passage is what you're talking about. It clearly doesn't say the law is everlasting which is your point. What you're doing is giving a passage and saying something else. God's righteousness doesn't come from the law and neither does the righteousness God requires of us. Romans 4 says and shows this very plainly. This is illustrated very well with Gen 18:23 because the law hadn't been given for another 430 years.

Now go ahead and say I ignored your passage.

PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of your word for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS

There's not one single thing in this verse about everlasting. I understand you're compiling verses in a way that makes the Scripture say something it doesn't.

PSALMS 119:160 All your words are true; ALL YOUR RIGHTEOUS LAWS ARE ETERNAL.

This isn't what the Hebrew text says. Sorry. Besides that your passages are out of order. This is compiling Scripture quotes to mean something they don't.

ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

Square this with Jer 31:31-33. What you're saying here doesn't line up with my reference. Again what you're doing is compiling Scripture to say something it doesn't and using it against itself.

EXODUS 32:16, And THE TABLES WERE THE WORK OF GOD, AND THE WRITING WAS THE WRITING OF GOD, graven on the tables.

So what. Produce them. Again what you're trying to do conflicts with Jer 31:31-33.

ISAIAH 40:8 [8], The grass wither, the flower fades: but THE WORD OF THE LORD OF OUR GOD SHALL ENDURE FOREVER.

Ditto

EXODUS 20:1-17 GOD SPOKE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE GOD'S WORD (v1)

So what. What you're trying to do is void Jer 31:31-33. Jeremiah spoke as God directed or he's a false prophet. You're directly calling Jeremiah a liar.

1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

The Gospel isn't the covenant law God made with their fathers in the desert after leaving Egypt.

LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

These are the words of Jesus. The law isn't. But then you don't believe Jn 1:17, either.

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Your response here for the 9 scriptures provided above showing that God's LAW is ETERNAL is to argue a single scripture provided in the 9 scriptures in PSALMS 119:160 which is translated in the NIV as All your words are true; ALL YOUR RIGHTEOUS LAWS ARE ETERNAL, the WORD used for laws does not mean law.

So self defeating, I've even a hard time giggling about your statement above. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Jam 1:8

If you read what was provided in all the post you would see you were provided the complete rendering of the HEBREW WORD used here which is משׁפּט; mishpâṭ From H8199. The first rendering was included from the HEBREW dictionary which was justice or judgement based on DIVINE or human LAW. This is not the 4th or 5th rendering but the first as a complete thought.

I sincerely hope my above words prove beyond any shadow of a doubt I read your post. I also have Bible study tools which include Hebrew, Chaldee and Greek in several sources. I use them. You really need to read your presentation. I bolded and enlarged a key word in it for you.

Depending on the different bible version משׁפּט; mishpâṭ has been translated in english as; Justice; Judgement; LAW; Ordinances; Judgments, Word, Teachings, Rules, Regulations;

So what!

Essentially the correct meaning is all of GOD'S teachings are righteous and ETERNAL. The CONTEXT and subject matter of PSALMS 119 is God's WORD (teachings) and God's LAW being ETERNAL and the very definition of RIGHTEOSNESS *PSALMS 119:172.

Say anything you like, God's word disagrees with you from both testaments. Jer 31, Lk 16, Jn 1, etc.

Which ever bible translation is used for PSALMS 119:160 it does not really matter because GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) are the SPOKEN and WRITTEN WORD of God alone which the scriptures define both God's WORD and what God makes as being ETERNAL *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16; ECCLESIASTES 3:14; ISAIAH 40:8; 1 PETER 1:25; LUKE 21:33. God both Spoke the 10 commandments and wrote them personally and it was the work of GOD alone.

You're right of course and that's why you use versions that say what you want. One of my previous pastors said they always got him into trouble with false doctrine.

The NIV translates משׁפּט; mishpâṭ in PSALMS 119:160 as LAW. Judgement or Justice is based on LAW. You cannot have one without the other. If one is eternal so is the other. The other 8 scriptures also support the same view that God's LAW (10 commandments are eternal). So the fact is God's LAW (10 commandments) are eternal because that is what God's WORD teaches. To deny this is to deny God's WORD.

It doesn't matter how much you repeat yourself, the results are the same.

Your trying to argue that RIGHTOUESNESS is not eternal when God's WORD defines the very standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS as God's LAW (10 commandments) *PSALMS 119:172 which gives us the very KNOWLEDGE of SIN if broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

This is your projection on me. Besides that it's not the law which you're trying to say applies to the Christian in a different covenant.

As shown above this is God's WORD not mine and it shows that God's LAW (10 commandments) are ETERNAL. Your argument and claim is that God's WORD is not eternal when God's WORD says that it is. Your argument is with God not me.

What you've shown above is mistranslations providing quotes to support your idea.

Over my time limit this morning.

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope. JEREMIAH 31:31 does not say God's LAW is ABOLISHED.

Your post didn't have the word abolished in it. Please be consistent.

JEREMIAH 31:31 [31], Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah

If God's LAW (10 commandments) was abolsihed we would have no KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20.

You impolitely changed your argument by changing the words. I'm beginning to think you're on staff here for the purpose of generating posts.4

 

[ace of hearts]

Here is the rest of the post you ignored here. Did you wish to respond to it this time? Then again you are so far behind in responding to and of the posts provided and the scriptures here that disagree with you. No need to reply if you cannot.

Re-post.

Nope. No he didn't. What was to be abolished was the condemnation from the letter of the law in the NEW COVENANT promise in those who through FAITH in CHRIST'S death on the cross for our sins. These are all those who have been BORN AGAIN to to LOVE through FAITH in God's WORD to have a NEW HEART by the OPERATION of GOD *ROMANS 8:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9; HEBREWS 8:10-12. This is the operation of God and the ministation of God's Spirit *2 CORINTHIANS 3:1-18; GALATIANS 5:16; PHILIPIANS 2:13.

With your interpretation above your making PAUL contradict himself when he says;

What interpretation above are you talking about? You provide no example nor quote. I've responded to every one of you references except the new one from Phil 2. That one doesn't apply to anything you've previously mentioned.

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

No I'm not contradicting Paul concerning Rom 3:31. You claim it's a command to serve the law. I just don't see it that way especially after reading "But now we are delivered from the law." Rom 7:6.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

There's nothing in the above quote indicating obligation to the law. Verse 10 does not say we fulfill (do or practice) the law.

ROMANS 8:4 THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

I can't believe you quoted this for support of keeping the law. You should read it and only what it says. Righteousness is fulfilled by walking after the Spirit, not the law.

HEBREWS 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

Just like your quotes from Jeremiah. You refuse to post about the laws not talked about from 8:8-9. Your claim is it's the same covenant written on the heart. Both Jeremiah and Paul by quote disagree with your errant doctrine.

etc; etc...

Can you see your error hear brother. God's Word does not contradict itself. When you find yourself in a position where your interpretation of the scriptures is contradicting other scriptures it should be a WARNING to you that your interpretation of the scriptures is not correct.

Hope this helps.

I fully understand your unwillingness to admit your error.

 

[Kaon]

So, did we figure out where the Most High God reneged on His commandments?