THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[ace of hearts]

The evidence in the forum is that you do not read the posts and scriptures you are quoting from or do you address these posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you. Your post above is badly formated. You have my posts mixed in so it is hard to follow. I will just re-post as you have not addressed anything in the post here you are quoting from.

Nope, not at all. Where does it say in JEREMIAH that God's LAW (10 Commandments) are not eternal? Where does JESUS say that his LAW is not ETERNAL?

To which I posted -

The evidence in the forum is you don't believe the above.

It's a real crying shame you can't recognize your own words. I've no need to respond to you repeated c&p words and deleted them. Yes I read them.

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope. Not at all. You have posted nothing saying God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is ABOLISHED. That statement has no truth in it.

Yep. Yes you do. This is where your error lies. Your mixing up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken.

Hope this help.

I referenced 2 Cor 3:13; Eph 2:15 and 2 Tim 1:10 for you to check out. I've no idea why you say I haven't posted them to you before. If you missed them it's obvious you're not reading my posts nor checking anything I say. I check your posts.

 

[ace of hearts]

So, did we figure out where the Most High God reneged on His commandments?

You wouldn't admit to it even if I posted it to you.

 

[Kaon]

You wouldn't admit to it even if I posted it to you.

If the Most High God reneged on His commandments, how can we trust Him when He tells us to do something... like any parent?

If my dad told me that I have to wash myself before I go to bed, and then he says, "Don't worry about what I said before," then why would I think anything else He told me would be a applicable? My dad would be one who changes His mind about something as serious as his rules for me in his house.

So, I am actually, and honestly, wondering 1) why, and 2) how Christians have the idea that the Most High God has reneged on His commandments to the people that want to be His people?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There's no reason to quote your whole post most of the time. You seem to think that means I've ignored and not read it. I only need to quote enough to make a point.

The trouble is that your asking questions or making statements that have clearly been answered in the rest of the post and scriptures that you leave out and ignore from the same post and you are not addressing the scriptures and posts that have been provided to you that disagree with you. The result comes across as if you have not read the post as you do not respond to it. It is like taking the post you are responding to out of context to the rest of the post that you are not considering in your response. This is only provided as a help in kindness brother.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your belligerence level is so high it's nasty. Take what you can get and forget the rest.

There is no need to be unkind in your posts brother. You have always been responded to with kindness and with God's WORD sent in love only as a help to you.

The emphasized in this passage is what you're talking about. It clearly doesn't say the law is everlasting which is your point. What you're doing is giving a passage and saying something else.

The scripture provided to you in sequence was;

PSALMS 119:142-143 which says Your RIGHTOUESNESS is an EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Your law is truth. Trouble and anguish have overtaken me, yet Your commandments are my delights.

If you look at the next scripture in your post response you should understand why this post was written (as well as the other 8 supporting scriptures) showing why God's LAW is ETERNAL. The very next scripture you left out DEFINES God's RIGHTEOUSNESS while the first scripture shows that God's RIGHTOUESNESS is EVERLASTING.

PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of your word for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS

These are God's WORD brother not mine and only 2 of the 9 scriptures provided showing that God's LAW (10 commandments) are ETERNAL. This is also scripture defining the meaning of the scriptures. It is not my definition or interpretation of the scriptures. God's RIGHTEOUSNESS is EVERLASTING = GOD'S COMMANDMENTS ARE EVERLASTING (ETERNAL).

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

God's righteousness doesn't come from the law and neither does the righteousness God requires of us. Romans 4 says and shows this very plainly. This is illustrated very well with Gen 18:23 because the law hadn't been given for another 430 years.

Of course it doesn't no one ever said it does. Only you have made the claims about rightousness coming from the law. As posted earlier through God's WORD, RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now go ahead and say I ignored your passage.

You did not ignore this passage I believe you simply did not understand it as you left out the supporting scripture that explains it in the very next scripture passage provided as shown in the previous section. This is what I was being highlighted earlier that you do not read the post as a whole that already addressed your objection. This is actually a good example of your objection clearly being answered in the rest of the post and scriptures that you leave out and ignore from the same post. This is only provided as a help in kindness brother.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There's not one single thing in this verse about everlasting.

Well that one is not true. PSALMS 119:142-143 says that God's RIGHTOUESNESS is EVERLASTING and the very next verse posted DEFINES GOD'S RIGHTOUESNESS as the 10 COMMANDMENTS *PSALMS 119:172 which is EVERLASTING.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I understand you're compiling verses in a way that makes the Scripture say something it doesn't.

Sorry brother you have been provided with God's WORD. You simply provide your own words with out addressing the post and the scriptures provided to you. It is God's WORD that defines what God's WORD says. These are God's WORD'S not my words so your argument is with God not me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This isn't what the Hebrew text says. Sorry.

Actually it is the NIV translation of the HEBREW text which says;
PSALMS 119:160 All your words are true; ALL YOUR RIGHTEOUS LAWS ARE ETERNAL (NIV).

As shown in the earlier posts this agrees with the other 8 scriptures on topical application showing that God's LAW (10 Commandments) are ETERNAL *PSALMS 119:142-143; PSALMS 119:172; ECCLESIASTES 3:14; EXODUS 32:16; ISAIAH 40:8; EXODUS 20:1-17; 1 PETER 1:25; LUKE 21:33.

Your response here for the 9 scriptures provided above showing that God's LAW is ETERNAL is to argue a single scripture provided in the 9 scriptures in PSALMS 119:160 which is translated in the NIV as All your words are true; ALL YOUR RIGHTEOUS LAWS ARE ETERNAL, the WORD used for laws does not mean law.

If you read what was provided in all the post you would see you were provided the complete rendering of the HEBREW WORD used here which is משׁפּט; mishpâṭ From H8199. The first rendering was included from the HEBREW dictionary which was justice or judgement based on DIVINE or human LAW. This is not the 4th or 5th rendering but the first as a complete thought.

Depending on the different bible version משׁפּט; mishpâṭ has been translated in english as; Justice; Judgement; LAW; Ordinances; Judgments, Word, Teachings, Rules, Regulations;

Essentially the correct meaning is all of GOD'S teachings are righteous and ETERNAL. The CONTEXT and subject matter of PSALMS 119 is God's WORD (teachings) and God's LAW being ETERNAL and the very definition of RIGHTEOSNESS *PSALMS 119:172.

Which ever bible translation is used for PSALMS 119:160 it does not really matter because GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) are the SPOKEN and WRITTEN WORD of God alone which the scriptures define both God's WORD and what God makes as being ETERNAL *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16; ECCLESIASTES 3:14; ISAIAH 40:8; 1 PETER 1:25; LUKE 21:33. God both Spoke the 10 commandments and wrote them personally and it was the work of GOD alone.

The NIV translates משׁפּט; mishpâṭ in PSALMS 119:160 as LAW. Judgement or Justice is based on LAW. You cannot have one without the other. If one is eternal so is the other. The other 8 scriptures also support the same view that God's LAW (10 commandments are eternal). So the fact is God's LAW (10 commandments) are eternal because that is what God's WORD teaches. To deny this is to deny God's WORD.

Your trying to argue that RIGHTOUESNESS is not eternal when God's WORD defines the very standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS as God's LAW (10 commandments) *PSALMS 119:172 which gives us the very KNOWLEDGE of SIN if broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

As shown above this is God's WORD not mine and it shows that God's LAW (10 commandments) are ETERNAL. Your argument and claim is that God's WORD is not eternal when God's WORD says that it is. Your argument is with God not me.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Square this with Jer 31:31-33. What you're saying here doesn't line up with my reference. Again what you're doing is compiling Scripture to say something it doesn't and using it against itself.

This scripture is in harmony with the scriptures provided you already. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the work and writing of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:26. This connect with *ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

While the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 was written by MOSES *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 that pointed to JESUS and GOD'S plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. No more SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. The NEW COVENANT brings an and to all the SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT.

God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) however has the same role in the NEW COVENANT that they always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So what. Produce them. Again what you're trying to do conflicts with Jer 31:31-33.

You do know your arguing against scripture alone here right? These are not my words and no commentary in what you are quoting from which says.

EXODUS 32:16, And THE TABLES WERE THE WORK OF GOD, AND THE WRITING WAS THE WRITING OF GOD, graven on the tables.

Ditto

Same again your simply arguing against God's WORD which in this case was;
ISAIAH 40:8 [8], The grass wither, the flower fades: but THE WORD OF THE LORD OF OUR GOD SHALL ENDURE FOREVER.

God's 10 Commandment beside being the written WORD of GOD *EXODUS 32:16 they were also the SPOKEN WORD of GOD *EXODUS 20:1-17. The scripture provided above in ISAIAH 40:8 says THE WORD OF THE LORD OF OUR GOD SHALL ENDURE FOREVER. If God's 10 Commandments are the SPOKEN WORD of GOD. Then it is FOREVER.

1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

Your response is to simply ignore God's WORD and argue with it. I will leave that between you and GOD as they are God's WORD not mine.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So what. What you're trying to do is void Jer 31:31-33. Jeremiah spoke as God directed or he's a false prophet. You're directly calling Jeremiah a liar.

Not at all. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT was how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Gospel isn't the covenant law God made with their fathers in the desert after leaving Egypt.

The Gospel was preached to our fathers in the SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; HEBREWS 4:3. The difference is that the SHADOW laws pointed FORWARD to the coming MESSIAH and CHRIST while we in turn look BACK to the JESUS who is the true lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world *JOHN 1:29 that the SHADOW laws pointed to *HEBREWS 7; HEBREWS 8; HEBREWS 9; HEBREWS 10; HEBREWS 11.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

These are the words of Jesus. The law isn't. But then you don't believe Jn 1:17, either.

They are indeed the Word of JESUS which say; LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

God's 10 Commandments are also the WORD of JESUS who is our creator of HEAVEN and EARTH and LORD of the SABBATH *JOHN 1:1-4; 14 that he made for man *MARK 2:27-28 and has commanded us to REMEMBER and KEEP HOLY *EXODUS 20:8-11. God's 10 Commandments are CHRISTS WORDS they shall NOT PASS AWAY because they are EVERLASTING. So God's LAW is EVERLASTING. This scripture connect directly to ISAIAH 40:8 [8], The grass wither, the flower fades: but THE WORD OF THE LORD OF OUR GOD SHALL ENDURE FOREVER. God's 10 commandments were the WORD of GOD *EXODUS 20:1-17 therefore they ENDURE FOREVER.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So self defeating, I've even a hard time giggling about your statement above. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Jam 1:8

Sadly this statement has no truth in it and are simply your words trying to avoid God's WORD. I will leave that between you and God.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your post didn't have the word abolished in it. Please be consistent.

I was consistant. Your trying to teach God's LAW (10 commandments) is abolished.

You impolitely changed your argument by changing the words. I'm beginning to think you're on staff here for the purpose of generating posts.4

Your arguing against scripture again which was...

JEREMIAH 31:31 [31], Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah

If God's LAW (10 commandments) was abolsihed we would have no KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What interpretation above are you talking about? You provide no example nor quote. I've responded to every one of you references except the new one from Phil 2. That one doesn't apply to anything you've previously mentioned.No I'm not contradicting Paul concerning Rom 3:31. You claim it's a command to serve the law. I just don't see it that way especially after reading "But now we are delivered from the law." Rom 7:6.There's nothing in the above quote indicating obligation to the law. Verse 10 does not say we fulfill (do or practice) the law.I can't believe you quoted this for support of keeping the law. You should read it and only what it says. Righteousness is fulfilled by walking after the Spirit, not the law.Just like your quotes from Jeremiah. You refuse to post about the laws not talked about from 8:8-9. Your claim is it's the same covenant written on the heart. Both Jeremiah and Paul by quote disagree with your errant doctrine.I fully understand your unwillingness to admit your error.

Well none of that addressed anything in the posts and the scirpture in them that disagrees with you. You simply ignored the post and all the scriptures in them. Have another go.

Re-post.

Nope. No he didn't. What was to be abolished was the condemnation from the letter of the law in the NEW COVENANT promise in those who through FAITH in CHRIST'S death on the cross for our sins. These are all those who have been BORN AGAIN to to LOVE through FAITH in God's WORD to have a NEW HEART by the OPERATION of GOD *ROMANS 8:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9; HEBREWS 8:10-12. This is the operation of God and the ministation of God's Spirit *2 CORINTHIANS 3:1-18; GALATIANS 5:16; PHILIPIANS 2:13.

With your interpretation above your making PAUL contradict himself when he says;

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

ROMANS 8:4 THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

HEBREWS 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

etc; etc...

Can you see your error hear brother. God's Word does not contradict itself. When you find yourself in a position where your interpretation of the scriptures is contradicting other scriptures it should be a WARNING to you that your interpretation of the scriptures is not correct.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I referenced 2 Cor 3:13; Eph 2:15 and 2 Tim 1:10 for you to check out. I've no idea why you say I haven't posted them to you before. If you missed them it's obvious you're not reading my posts nor checking anything I say. I check your posts.

Sadly this has nothing to do with what was posted to you again.