THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[Timothy416]

LGW likes to quote rom7:7 a lot, so lets take a look at it, bearing in mind his insistence you must obey the letter of the ten commandments or you are a child of the devil for continually not obeying Gods law:


‘What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.’

A few verses later, Paul confirmed breaking this commandment brought death to him. So how did he break it? Did Saul go around sleeping with woman after woman, is that what he meant about knowing lust through the commandment? No he did not. He could hardly have risen to where he did in responsibility within the party of the Pharisees if he did that. No, he broke it in his mind. He broke the law concerning the ten commandments in a way no one but God need know he broke it. For Paul the Christian was well aware of what obeying the Ten Commandments entailed. Dwelling on impure thoughts/lust breaks them. Therefore, if obeying the letter of the ten commandments is necessary to enter heaven, your thoughts can indeed send you to hell.


I mention that, as when I repeatedly asked the question it was not answered.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well you and I have a fundamental difference concerning the fourth one, you are stuck in the letter of it, and are unable to see the spiritual intent of it, that is upheld in born again believers every day of the week, including Saturday!!Why keep only mentioning verse six? Are verses 4&5 too hard for you to explain?

Not at all, I am risen from the dead *ROMANS 6:4-8. Now I walk in the Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16 and not in the letter *ROMANS 7:6; 2 CORINTHIANS 3:3 because I walk by faith and not by sight *2 CORINTHIANS 5:7. You use your own words over God's WORD. My words are not my own but Gods WORD so your argument is with God not me. Why do you mention only ROMANS 7:4-6? Lets talk full CONTEXT of ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 and see how they fit in shall we?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It is very strange, that some believe sin is the transgression of the letter of the ten commandments, and anyone who knowingly breaks that letter without repentance is a liar and child of the devil, they cannot be saved because they do not follow Gods word. And yet, sda members, alongside their church accept as Christians people who they believe constantly, without repentance break the ten commandments, while at the same time believing they understand biblical truth others do not understand. Personally, I do not understand such truth. Truth that states a liar and child of the devil cannot be a Christian, but at the same time they can.

Not really God's WORD does not teach what you do and you are only speaking your own words making claims that no one is making. God's WORD defines what sin is. There are two types KNOWN SIN that God has revealed to us and UNKNOWN SIN that we are yet to learn about. It is the KNOWN sin that we are responsible for *JAMES 4:17. Your problem is that you do not know how God's WORD defines sin as shown in the earlier discussion we had before I had to leave. God's WORD clealy defines what it is referring to when it is talking about KNOWN and UNKNOWN SIN. Let's just start with the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. The exact some thing however can be shown in the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

WHAT IS SIN?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments saying that if we break them we commit sin v9 that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to God and LOVE to our neighbour in v11. Maybe you missed that one?

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that he did not know what sin was without God's 10 Commandments. SIN is breaking God's commandments and Paul uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is saying the same thing as James and Paul and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context John uses v15 of MURDER as an example of sin which is God's 6th Command of the 10.

Sin is indeed defined in God's WORD as breaking any of the 10 Commandments in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

NOTE: So now we see from God's WORD that sin is defined as the transgression of ANY of God's 10 Commandments. This links to 1 JOHN 2:1 which shows the reason for JOHN'S EPISTLE is that we SIN not (do not break God's Commandments) this is the context of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 so if SIN is defined in God's WORD as breaking Gods 10 commandments then the COMMANDMENTS spoken about in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is God's 10 Commandments.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

NOTE: Context is sin, in v1 that we sin not; God's WORD defines sin as breaking God's 10 Commandments then commandments being referred to here are the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20)

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CONCLUSION 1 JOHN 1 and 1 JOHN 2; Those who walk in darkness or do not follow the truth of God's WORD are not following God. The reason why JOHN is writing the Epistle of 1 JOHN is that we DO NOT SIN. God's WORD defines SIN as the breaking of ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments. The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is 1 JOHN 1:2 that we SIN NOT. Therefore the Commandments being spoken of in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is the 10 Commandments.
God's 10 Commandments give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LGW likes to quote rom7:7 a lot, so lets take a look at it, bearing in mind his insistence you must obey the letter of the ten commandments or you are a child of the devil for continually not obeying Gods law:

Making up claims that no one is making is simply dishonest and sad for you. Did you have any scriptures to share? I guess not that is why your making claims that no one is claiming. I will leave that between you and God. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

‘What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.’ A few verses later, Paul confirmed breaking this commandment brought death to him. So how did he break it? Did Saul go around sleeping with woman after woman, is that what he meant about knowing lust through the commandment? No he did not. He could hardly have risen to where he did in responsibility within the party of the Pharisees if he did that. No, he broke it in his mind. He broke the law concerning the ten commandments in a way no one but God need know he broke it. For Paul the Christian was well aware of what obeying the Ten Commandments entailed. Dwelling on impure thoughts/lust breaks them. Therefore, if obeying the letter of the ten commandments is necessary to enter heaven, your thoughts can indeed send you to hell. I mention that, as when I repeatedly asked the question it was not answered.

All your questions have been answered in detail with God's WORD for you in our discussion so your claims here are false ones. Your understanding of the letter of the law is confused. The correct understanding of the letter of the law is demonstrated by JESUS in MATTHEW 5 when he shows God's LAW (10 Commandments) is not abolished but show that the letter is applied inside out to the very thoughts that we think about and dwell on. You know the scriptures; Unless our righteosness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *MATTHEW 5:20. JESUS says that the Scribes and Pharisees are like to white washed sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Outwardly they appeared righteous to men, but within you are full of SIN *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS continues in MATTHEW 5 that the LETTER of the LAW is applied to the INSIDE OUT. That is the very thoughts we think about and make our own is where SIN (breaking God's 10 commandments) begins *MATTHEW 5:21-22; MATTHEW 5:31-32.

This is the LETTER of the LAW applied to the INSIDE OUT. Salvation is from the INSIDE OUT and that is why JESUS says; Truly, Truly I say to you unless a man is born again he cannot see the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. Those who are BORN again do not commit sin *1 JOHN 3:9. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

SIN is the breaking of any one of God's 10 Commandment *JAMES 2:10-11. If we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *1 JOHN 3:4. ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7.

The letter of the LAW shows us that from the INSIDE out we are all sinners sick with sin and in need of a SAVIOUR from sin *MATTHEW 9:12-13; JOHN 8:31-36. This is the NEW COVENANT promise to all those who by faith are BORN again to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *HEBREWS 8:10-12. We need to be BORN again to LOVE from the INSIDE OUT to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *1 JOHN 3:3-10. That is why JESUS says; IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS *JOHN 14:15. Those who say they KNOWN him and break his Commandments have not seen him or do they KNOW him *1 JOHN 2:3-4


Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How can one know the Spirit if they do not know the letter when the Spirit is in the letter to all those who BELIEVE God's WORD? *JOHN 6:63. No letter means no Spirit they cannot be separated *ROMANS 10:17

 

[Timothy416]

Making up claims that no one is making is simply dishonest and sad for you. Did you have any scriptures to share? I guess not that is why your making claims that no one is claiming. I will leave that between you and God. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.



All your questions have been answered in detail with God's WORD for you in our discussion so your claims here are false ones. Your understanding of the letter of the law is confused. The correct understanding of the letter of the law is demonstrated by JESUS in MATTHEW 5 when he shows God's LAW (10 Commandments) is not abolished but show that the letter is applied inside out to the very thoughts that we think about and dwell on. You know the scriptures; Unless our righteosness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *MATTHEW 5:20. JESUS says that the Scribes and Pharisees are like to white washed sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Outwardly they appeared righteous to men, but within you are full of SIN *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS continues in MATTHEW 5 that the LETTER of the LAW is applied to the INSIDE OUT. That is the very thoughts we think about and make our own is where SIN (breaking God's 10 commandments) begins *MATTHEW 5:21-22; MATTHEW 5:31-32.

This is the LETTER of the LAW applied to the INSIDE OUT. Salvation is from the INSIDE OUT and that is why JESUS says; Truly, Truly I say to you unless a man is born again he cannot see the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. Those who are BORN again do not commit sin *1 JOHN 3:9. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

SIN is the breaking of any one of God's 10 Commandment *JAMES 2:10-11. If we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *1 JOHN 3:4. ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7.

The letter of the LAW shows us that from the INSIDE out we are all sinners sick with sin and in need of a SAVIOUR from sin *MATTHEW 9:12-13; JOHN 8:31-36. This is the NEW COVENANT promise to all those who by faith are BORN again to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *HEBREWS 8:10-12. We need to be BORN again to LOVE from the INSIDE OUT to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *1 JOHN 3:3-10. That is why JESUS says; IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS *JOHN 14:15. Those who say they KNOWN him and break his Commandments have not seen him or do they KNOW him *1 JOHN 2:3-4


Hope this helps.

If ever you want to stop just quoting the letter, with understanding that bears no reality to yours or anyone elses life. If you ever want to stop insisting [people must obey the letter neither you or anyone else can fully obey to enter heaven. If ever you want to move on and get serious in understanding, rather than just post as you are, let me know and we can continue

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If ever you want to stop just quoting the letter, with understanding that bears no reality to yours or anyone elses life. If you ever want to stop insisting [people must obey the letter neither you or anyone else can fully obey to enter heaven. If ever you want to move on and get serious in understanding, rather than just post as you are, let me know and we can continue

See previous post before yours which has already been answered in the Spirit before you came.

 

[Timothy416]

See previous post answered in the Spirit

Why, if you have the Spirit have you been unable to do an exegesis of Rom 7:4-6?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why, if you have the Spirit have you been unable to do an exegesis of Rom 7:4-6?

Why would you think that when I have only got back here? Please go ahead and start then I will develop a detailed scripture reply to show context and meaning. Please go ahead. Show and prove what you think the scriptures mean.

 

[Timothy416]

Why would you think that when I have only got back here? Please go ahead and start then I will develop a detailed scripture reply to show context and meaning. Please go ahead. Show and prove what you think the scriptures mean.

I asked you to do an exegesis of the verses, as you requested I post some for discussion. Now you want me to explain them to you!!!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I asked you to do an exegesis of the verses, as you requested I post some for discussion. Now you want me to explain them to you!!!

Why did you need me to do one? Were you not the one that wanted to discuss it? Please go ahead and start then I will develop a detailed scripture reply to show context and meaning. Please go ahead. Show and prove what you think the scriptures mean. How can we have a discussion of the scriptures if I do not know how you interpret them?

 

[Timothy416]

Why did you need me to do one? Were you not the one that wanted to discuss it? Please go ahead and start then I will develop a detailed scripture reply to show context and meaning. Please go ahead. Show and prove what you think the scriptures mean.

You cannot show what those verses mean, otherwise you would have done it by now. For it requires a better understanding than just glibly quoting the letter. So you have to pass don't you

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You cannot show what those verses mean, otherwise you would have done it by now. For it requires a better understanding than just glibly quoting the letter. So you have to pass don't you

Yep I can. Just waiting for you to make a start. You cannot though it seems can you.

 

[Timothy416]

Yep I can. Just waiting for you to make a start. You cannot though it seems can you.

You do give me a wry smile. Someone who considers himself able to teach the scriptures cannot give an exegesis of three verses when asked to do so, he needs someone to do it for him. As you cannot explain scripture when asked to do so, we better leave it there

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You do give me a wry smile. Someone who considers himself able to teach the scriptures cannot give an exegesis of three verses when asked to do so, he needs someone to do it for him. As you cannot explain scripture when asked to do so, we better leave it there

So I guess you have no interest in discussing God's WORD and you do not know the meaning of ROMANS 7:4-6 do you? If you do not wish to discuss the scriptures just say so as I have other things to do.

 

[Timothy416]

So I guess you have no interest in discussing God's WORD and you do not know the meaning of ROMANS 7:4-6 do you? If you do not wish to discuss the scriptures just say so as I have other things to do.

I think you had better do other things. I am getting tired of your constant deflections and inability to answer simple questions placed before you. The majority who come on these websites only think they know much. Their constant contradictions prove otherwise.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think you had better do other things. I am getting tired of your constant deflections and inability to answer simple questions placed before you. The majority who come on these websites only think they know much. Their constant contradictions prove otherwise.

Well that was easy, if you did not want to talk about scripture why bring it up? How can you have a discussion about God's WORD if you do not share it?

 

[Timothy416]

Well that was easy, if you did not want to talk about scripture why bring it up? How can you have a discussion about God's WORD if you do not share it?

Debate is responding to questions put. Obviously you could not respond to questions put concerning scripture. You do not have the confidence to do so unless some starts you off. I am sure all can see that. True teachers immediately answer questions raised about scripture, that is their job, they do not ask others to start off first. I am sure all but you well understand that

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Debate is responding to questions put. Obviously you could not respond to questions put concerning scripture. You do not have the confidence to do so unless some starts you off. I am sure all can see that. True teachers immediately answer questions raised about scripture, that is their job, they do not ask others to start off first. I am sure all but you well understand that

Why do you not respond to my questions, posts and the scriptures in them? Why do you put up some scriptures for discussion then when your asked what you think they mean you do not want to talk about them any more? I am sure all can see that

 

[Timothy416]

Why do you not respond to my questions, posts and the scriptures in them? Why do you put up some scriptures for discussion then when your asked what you think they mean you do not want to talk about them any more? I am sure all can see that

Oh I responded to many of your questions yesterday as you well know concerni ng the ten commandments. Anyone can read the discussion. You know, questions you asked immediately after I asked you to do an exegesis of rom7:4-6, deflection by you of course due to your inability to render an exegesis. I doubt any unbiased person will be fooled by your deflections, same as they wont by you being unable to explain how those you consider liars and children of the devil cannot be saved, but at the same time are saved.
Constant deflection from answering questions put, constant confusion and contradictions are no sign of a true teacher of the word, only someone who in their mind believes that, the reality is very different