THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[LoveGodsWord]

Obedience to the law isn't called fruit anywhere in Scripture. We have a new and different covenant you refuse to participate in. Why don't you just disregard the complete NT?

SIN is the opposite of OBEDIENCE to God's LAW for sin is BREAKING any one of God's LAWS (10 commandments) *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7. JESUS came to save us from SIN (breaking God's LAW) not to CONTINUE in SIN (breaking God's LAW) *JOHN 8:31-36; ROMANS 13:8-10.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

OBEDIENCE is the fruit of FAITH that works by LOVE and is the NEW COVENANT promise in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *HEBREWS 8:10-12

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ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

1 JOHN 3:6-9
[6], Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither knoweth him.
[7], My little children, let no man lead you astray: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous:
[8], he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

REVELATION 14:12
[12], Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVELATION 22:14
[14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Tha't what you do with 1 Jn 3:4. Here you declare that as false teaching to which I agree.

Not at all. The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 3:4 is not wallking in darkness and the reason for John's epistle is that we SIN NOT *1 JOHN 1:6-7; 1 JOHN 2:1-4. Breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments is SIN *1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 7:7; ROMANS 3:20 with the example of MURDER given (6th Commandment EXODUS 20:13) in 1 JOHN 3:12-15. We can look at 1 JOHN 3:23 as love which also agrees with the CONTEXT provided because LOVE is expressed through OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (not sinning) and is how we LOVE God and our fellow man and is why JESUS says on these two commandments (Love to God and Love to man) HANG all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

Hope this helps.

 

[Lost4words]

Not really the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH day. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Does it say in scripture that we cant celebrate the resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ on a Sunday?

 

[ace of hearts]

God's people were saved the same way as they were in the OLD as they were in the NEW and that is by FAITH *HEBREWS 11; only the process was different (sin offerings).

There's no redemption of mankind to be found in the OT, So there's no salvation found in the OT.

 

[ace of hearts]

None of this is taken out of CONTEXT. They are complete statements of what happened in the OLD TESTAMENT written in the NEW. As shown earlier everything written in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures comes from the OLD TESTAMENT. You cannot take scriptures out of CONTEXT and seek to apply an interpretation to is except when it is a complete stand alone thought or startement. The NEW TESTAMENT builds on the OLD TESTAMENT it does not make things up out of CONTEXT in isolation to the OLD TESTAMENT CONTEXT that it is referring to.

You do it all the time.

 

[ace of hearts]

Everything we have from the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures comes from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

No so.

 

[ace of hearts]

You are confused brother. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you? FAITH does not abolish God's LAW (10 commandments) it establishes God's LAW *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:6-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; REVELATION 14:12.

Keeping the law (self righteousness) won't allow you entrance to heaven.

 

[ace of hearts]

In the days of JESUS and the APOSLTES their bible was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. Everything that we have in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.
Some example of Old Testament quotes in New Testament

Not so.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not really the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH day. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There's no reference found in the Scripture indicating the sabbath is the Lord's day.

 

[ace of hearts]

SIN is the opposite of OBEDIENCE to God's LAW for sin is BREAKING any one of God's LAWS (10 commandments) *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7. JESUS came to save us from SIN (breaking God's LAW) not to CONTINUE in SIN (breaking God's LAW) *JOHN 8:31-36; ROMANS 13:8-10.

Since there's no command in the NT to keep the sabbath, those participating in the New Covenant aren't sinning because there's no violation.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Your righteousness can't exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees utlizing the same law.

Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments.

That indeed is true.

EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10

You seem to think painting the outside of the sepulchre makes everything okie dokie.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Those who are born again aren't subject to the law and can't violate it for that reason.

OBEDIENCE is the fruit of FAITH that works by LOVE and is the NEW COVENANT promise in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *HEBREWS 8:10-12

Works of the law aren't called fruit anywhere in Scripture.

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ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

This isn't a command to observe the law.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

This isn't the law nor a requirement to keep the law.

1 JOHN 3:6-9
[6], Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither knoweth him.
[7], My little children, let no man lead you astray: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous:
[8], he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

You don't know why one that abides in Jesus doesn't sin. You claim sin is only and always a violation of the law covenant given only to Israel.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

These commandments are the ones given to Israel in the desert. If you bothered with the context found in verse 1, you'd understand those commandments are the one Jesus gave. No Jesus didn't give the famous 10.

REVELATION 14:12
[12], Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVELATION 22:14
[14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The above are nothing more than twisted out of context quotes to enforce keeping the law. See what Gal 5 says about this.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not at all. The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 3:4 is not wallking in darkness and the reason for John's epistle is that we SIN NOT *1 JOHN 1:6-7; 1 JOHN 2:1-4. Breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments is SIN *1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 7:7; ROMANS 3:20 with the example of MURDER given (6th Commandment EXODUS 20:13) in 1 JOHN 3:12-15. We can look at 1 JOHN 3:23 as love which also agrees with the CONTEXT provided because LOVE is expressed through OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (not sinning) and is how we LOVE God and our fellow man and is why JESUS says on these two commandments (Love to God and Love to man) HANG all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

Hope this helps.

I never said 1 Jn 3:4 is walking in darkness. I do mean and say the partial quote of the verse as your church teaches evidenced in this forum is darkness, deception and false doctrine.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I never said 1 Jn 3:4 is walking in darkness. I do mean and say the partial quote of the verse as your church teaches evidenced in this forum is darkness, deception and false doctrine.

No one said you did. All I hear is your words over God's. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Does it say in scripture that we cant celebrate the resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ on a Sunday?

You can celebrate and worship God everyday and so we should. That is not the problem. It is breaking God's Commandments that is the problem because doing so is sin *ROMANS 7:7; ROMANS 3:20; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There's no redemption of mankind to be found in the OT, So there's no salvation found in the OT.

If that were the case according to your view, EVERYONE living in the OT times are lost. When we read God's WORD however it tells a different story *HEBREWS 11.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You do it all the time.

Not at all. You are only provided God's WORD that shows the context that you leave out of your interpretation of the scriptures that disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not so.

Sorry God's WORD disagrees with you.
Some example of Old Testament quotes in New Testament

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Keeping the law (self righteousness) won't allow you entrance to heaven.

Read the post you quoting from who said you have to keep the law for self righteousness? If not one has ever said to you that we must keep God's LAW to be saved why pretend that they have?

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you? FAITH does not abolish God's LAW (10 commandments) it establishes God's LAW *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:6-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; REVELATION 14:12.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There's no reference found in the Scripture indicating the sabbath is the Lord's day.

Which day is the LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8 [8], FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Since there's no command in the NT to keep the sabbath, those participating in the New Covenant aren't sinning because there's no violation.Your righteousness can't exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees utlizing the same law.That indeed is true.You seem to think painting the outside of the sepulchre makes everything okie dokie. Those who are born again aren't subject to the law and can't violate it for that reason.Works of the law aren't called fruit anywhere in Scripture.This isn't a command to observe the law.This isn't the law nor a requirement to keep the law.You don't know why one that abides in Jesus doesn't sin. You claim sin is only and always a violation of the law covenant given only to Israel.These commandments are the ones given to Israel in the desert. If you bothered with the context found in verse 1, you'd understand those commandments are the one Jesus gave. No Jesus didn't give the famous 10.The above are nothing more than twisted out of context quotes to enforce keeping the law. See what Gal 5 says about this.

Sadly all of the above are only your words over God's WORD. You simply ignored everything you were quoting from without addressing the scriptures and post that disagreed with what you posted. These were God's WORD not mine. So your argument is with God not me.

HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Lost4words]

You can celebrate and worship God everyday and so we should. That is not the problem. It is breaking God's Commandments that is the problem because doing so is sin *ROMANS 7:7; ROMANS 3:20; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Does it say in scripture that we cannot keep sunday as a Holy day?