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THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Jun 25, 2018.

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  1. LoveGodsWord

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    LIGHT AND DARKNESS OR GOOD AND EVIL?

    Those in darkness seeing will not see. Those hearing will not hear.

    1 JOHN 1:5-7 [5], This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. [6], If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: [7], But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleans us from all sin.

    JOHN 3:19-21 [19], And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; because their deeds were evil. [20], For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21], But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God.

    NOTE: WALK = LIVING AND DOING; DARKNESS = EVIL DEEDS. Therefore. Walking in darkness means doing evil deeds (breaking God’s Commandments). Those who do evil deeds hate the light because the light reveals their deeds are evil neither will they come to the light. Only those who walk in the light not doing evil deeds are God’s Church and are cleansed by the blood of JESUS CHRIST from all sin (past).

    ROMANS 8:12-13 [12], Therefore, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13], For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

    PSALMS 56:13 For you have delivered my soul from death: will not you deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?

    PSALMS 90:8 You have set our iniquities before you, our secret sins in the light of your countenance.

    PSALMS 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet, and a light to my path.

    PSALMS 119:130 The entrance of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple.

    PROVERBS 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life.

    PROVERBS 13:9 The light of the righteous rejoices: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.

    ISAIAH 5:20 Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    ISAIAH 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    ISAIAH 9:2 The people that walked in darkness (SIN; EVIL DEEDS) have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death (WAGES OF SIN), on them has the light shined.

    MATTHEW 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.


    MATTHEW 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

    MATTHEW 6:22-23 [22], The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light. [23], But if your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!

    JOHN 8:12 Then spoke Jesus again to them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

    JOHN 12:35 Then Jesus said to them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness come on you: for he that walks in darkness knows not where he goes.

    JOHN 12:36 While you have light, believe in the light, that you may be the children of light. These things spoke Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

    JOHN 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.

    EPHESIANS 5:8 For you were sometimes darkness, but now are you light in the Lord: walk as children of light

    1 THESSALONIANS 5:5 You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

    1 PETER 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light

    WHO ARE THE CHILDREN OF LIGHT AND DARKNESS?

    1 JOHN 3:3-10
    [4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    [6], Whoever stays in him sins not (does not break God's LAW): whoever sins (breaks God's LAW) has not seen him, neither known him.
    [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    [8], He that commits sin (breaks God's LAW) is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    [9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin (does not break God's LAW); for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

    The Children of darkness of those who continue in SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments). The children of God walking in the light are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

    PSALMS 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet, and a light to my path.

    PROVERBS 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life.

    PROVERBS 13:9 The light of the righteous rejoices: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.

    ISAIAH 5:20 Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    ISAIAH 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

    God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)
     
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  2. ace of hearts

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    Such a neat passage I thought it needed quoting -

    15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    No I don't follow the mother church. And very nice double speak.
     
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  3. ace of hearts

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    Some protestants have actually read the Bible.
     
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    Amen!
    I take it you mean to convey those who don't agree with you walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth. That is nothing more than abusing the Scripture to falsely accuse.
    Maybe that's why you don't like LK 16:16, 22:20, 24:44-45; Rom 6 ,7, 8, 14; Gal 3, 4 and 5 just for starters.
    This applies to you as well because you don't keep the famous 10 as written in Exodus or Deuteronomy.
    So why is it you're not walking in the Spirit. You walk by the law.
    Amen!
    You really don't accept this admonition.
    Amen!
    Context please.
    Yes the New Covenant has been shown to you and rejected for the law.
    That would be people like me. Once upon a time I sat in darkness and partial light which were bringing death. Thank God for the revelation of Light thru the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
    Trying my best.
    Self confessed blind men see no light. I'm full of light as the passage says.
    Follows what does this verse say? That doesn't match up with what you say in the volume of your posts.
    Amen! I do and you should because you've been exposed to the Light.
    Amen!
    I do, thanks.
    I'm a child of the Light and day, thanks to God the Father and His dear only begotten Son, Jesus Christ the Righteous.
    Yes God did exactly that for me. I love it, too!!
    This can't possibly be you as you claim to keep the famous 10 and don't.
    Yes sir and Amen! We know that you mean those who don't agree with you. Your posts prove otherwise. It's been shown you don't believe the whole Bible.
    Yes we know Jesus and keep His commandments as Jesus requested in Jn 15:10.
    Yes the sheep of Jesus hear His voice.

    Jn 10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

    2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

    3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

    4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

    5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

    6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

    7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

    8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

    9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

    10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
     
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    I know.. but the TC has as well.. and this is his argument of what scripture says, and how you are following tradition over scripture.
     
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    Please share with us from the scriptures how Paul taught the Church to observe the Sabbath, so we all can benefit from his teaching.


    No one here has yet to provide any instruction from Jesus or Paul, as to how the Church is commanded to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.



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    No mention or command from Jesus or His Apostles in your entire post, as to how the Church is to observe the Sabbath, under the New Covenant.



    Maybe you could share some examples of how you yourself observe the Sabbath, since it’s a matter of good and evil.



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  8. ace of hearts

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    For your information I don't worship on Sunday at any facility, much less follow the so called mother church. Christians were worshiping on Sunday long before the RCC came to power.
     
  9. Cis.jd

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    Well, they worshipped everyday but the tradition did start from the "mother church" and the TC is saying we should go by *scripture alone*.
     
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    No it didn't. History and even the Bible reveal Christians met for worship primarily on Sunday from the 1 Century.
     
  11. LoveGodsWord

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    Yep well said brother Cis.jd, it is always nice to come across those who read their bible. Acts makes it very clear that God's people met EVERY DAY unlike some of the claims of others here.

    ACTS 2:46-47
    [46], And THEY, CONTINUING DAILY WITH ONE ACCORD IN THE TEMPLE AND BREAKING BREAD FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
    [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord ADDED TO THE CHURCH DAILY such as should be saved.

    Thanks for sharing

    God bless
     
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  12. Cis.jd

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    ok. Then why does the TC say the bible said other wise. Besides, why would you care about "history" anyway. I thought you being a protestant are scripture alone, not tradition?
     
  13. lsume

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    Christ is Lord of The Sabath. Every day becomes as Sabath to those who have been reborn. The Sabath is meant as a Blessing from God The Father. It is supposed to be a day when you can rest from your work and have Fellowship with The Holy Trinity.
     
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    Where does it say in the bible that Christ is the Sabbath? Likewise where does it say in the bible that everyday becomes the Sabbath?
     
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    Mark.2 Verses 27 to 28

    1. [27] And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
      [28] Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
     
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    MARK 2:27-28 says that the SABBATH was made for man and that JESUS is the LORD of the SABBATH similar to MATTHEW 12:8. It does not say that JESUS is the SABBATH as the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week that GOD BLESSED and MADE HOLY. *GENESIS 2:1-3; MATTHEW 12:8.
     
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    If we correctly understand a spiritual principle, then it will lead us to take physical actions that are examples of that principle. For example, if someone thought that they understood the spiritual principle of love, so they didn't need to obey God's command to help the poor, then they would not correctly understand that principle. So the spiritual principles of God's commands always add depth to the literal meaning and any understanding that leads us to disobey what God has commanded is not correct understanding.

    For something to be holy is to be set apart and in order for something to be set apart, there needs to be something else that it is set apart from, so if we treat every day the same, then we are treating no day as holy. If we did on every day what God wants us to do on the Sabbath, then we would do no work, but God also wants us to work. Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, so if he is also our Lord, then we will keep the Sabbath holy.
     
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    The Word Says that Christ is Lord over The Sabath fairly clearly and I’m not sure that you are picking up on The True Spiritual message Christ delivers. There are many who believe that living under self imposed rigorous obedience to a belief that salvation is based on your own works is how it works. I know that is not how salvation works.

    Matt.23

    1. [15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
    Matt.23

    1. [4] For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
    Col.2 Verses 16 to 23

    1. [16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
      [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
      [18] Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
      [19] And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
      [20] Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
      [21] (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
      [22] Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
      [23] Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
    Please pray for Christ to show you the deep Spiritual Truth of The Word of God Above. If you absolutely believe that your sinning if you do a certain thing, it is a sin for it is done in willful rebellion. However, when Christ comes to you in your day of visitation and begins your born again experience with teaching and understanding of The mysteries in The Word, only then will you truly understand. The first mention of this day of visitation is first mentioned in Numbers 16:29 and the entire story that surrounds the use of The Word Visitation.

    Has Christ come to you and spoken with you and opened your eyes to what should be the most exciting day of your life thus far. You will have no doubts. You will absolutely know that The GodHead is very real. It won’t be as much faith based after that time but you will absolutely know that The GodHead is very real and judgement is very real. The first thing anyone can do is seek God The Father with all that they have. About the only contribution to your own salvation that you have input on is the very tiny amount of faith required to let God in.

    Rev.3

    1. [20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
    Until you experience Christ coming to you as a thief in the night, you can’t possibly understand The hidden mysteries contained in The Word. Someone has taught you that you put heavy burdens on yourself, somehow your extra burden will somehow save you. Again, your only input is having the faith of a grain of a mustard seed to let The GodHead in to commune with your soul and to grow you. You must know The Fear of The Lord. I have described it as bone paralyzing Terror. I know of what I speak as I have been taught directly by Christ. How can anyone possibly explain what you can only understand when your eyes and ears are opened.

    Gal.4 Verses 9 to 12


    1. [9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
      [10] Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
      [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
      [12] Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
    Do you observe days and months and times and years? I’m afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain from Verse 11 directly above. Do you teach other men your guidelines for being saved? I truly hope that you fast and pray without ceasing and seek. The line between works based salvation and being saved by Grace are two completely different things. Only Christ has lived as a sin free man. Yet, all things that were created were created by, through and for Christ. Perhaps you also believe in dietary laws. All things are lawful to me but all things are not expedient.


    1Cor.6
    1. [12] All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
    Galatians 4:10 above nails it. Christ is The Way The Truth and The Life. He who Christ sets free is free indeed. When you are living “in The Way”, you quickly understand that you can only live “in The Way” through Christ. Christ didn’t add burdens to man, He gave man The Truth. You might recall when David and his men ate the Shewbread in the temple.

    1Sam.21

    1. [6] So the priest gave him hallowed bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.
     
  19. lsume

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    Colossians 2:20 Above is clear to me. I’m pasting Colossians 2:16 again. I refuse to let you judge me in meat or in drink or in respect of an Holy day or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: when Christ sets you free, don’t get entangled in the dogma of man. Nowhere in my response have I said that salvation is easy. However, only Christ can lead you “In The Way”.

    Col.2

    1. [16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello Isume, nice to see you again brother. Some comments for your consideration below. I will break these down into lots of smaller posts so they are easier to read.
    How would you know when you do not know me? I only asked you earlier where is the scriptures that say JESUS is the SABBATH and where does it say in the bible as you claim that the SABBATH is everyday? You have not provided any scriptures for these claims. Brother, I know this thought does not come from you as I have heard others make similar claims, but no one provides any scriptures for this teaching. Does this not concern you?
     
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