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The question should be reworded, is the LAW abolished?Ok good let's clarify what your saying before proceeding. Do you believe God's 10 commandment are ABOLISHED? YES/NO? What are you saying?
What has been abolished is righteousness of obeying the law/ten commandments, what is written in nine of the ten commandments is not abolished, those laws are written in the mind and placed on the heart of the believer. The spiritual intent of the other commandment is upheld in born again believers seven days a week including satrurday. Please learn now. When Paul states we die to the law, he means we die to a righteousness of obeying the law. He was not confused, neither is anyone who quotes those verses and understands that is what he meant
As a legally enforceable law that can condemn the truly born again believer, in that sense it is abolished. But what is written in nine of the ten commandments have been transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts. In that sense they are not abolished I explained about the other commandment. I guess you believe the Christian is still under righteousness of obeying the law, I do notWell golly gee was that what I just post? You BELIEVE God's LAW is Abolished right?
As a legally enforceable law that can condemn the truly born again believer, in that sense it is abolished. But what is written in nine of the ten commandments have been transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts. In that sense they are not abolished I explained about the other commandment. I guess you believe the Christian is still under righteousness of obeying the law, I do not
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
Well you have already broken the ten commandments today haven't you, when stating I previously wrote the ten commandments had been abolished. So sadly you still practice sin.Well to be honest I do not know what you believe after that post and not sure if you do either. Here is why. If you are a BORN AGAIN believer you will not be practicing SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *1 JOHN 3:9; JAMES 2:10-11. How many commandments are there in the 10 commandments, 9, 10 or 613 *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13 DEUTERONOMY 10:4?
What did JESUS means when he said; ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE to GOD and LOVE to MAN) HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets?
Well you have already broken the ten commandments today haven't you, when stating I previously wrote the ten commandments had been abolished. So sadly you still practice sin.
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 ‘This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’
17 Then he adds:
‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.
Heb10:15-17
Timothy416 said: ↑ What has been abolished is righteousness of obeying the law/ten commandments, what is written in nine of the ten commandments is not abolished, those laws are written in the mind and placed on the heart of the believer. The spiritual intent of the other commandment is upheld in born again believers seven days a week including satrurday. Please learn now. When Paul states we die to the law, he means we die to a righteousness of obeying the law. He was not confused, neither is anyone who quotes those verses and understands that is what he meant
I said the legally enforceable law to condemn, of which the ten commandments were part has been abolished, what is written in those commandments is transferred to tablets of human hearts.No I havn't broken God's commandments. You stated in your own words they are ABOLISHED. This is what your posted.
They are your words. JAMES says that if we break one we stand before God guilty of breaking all of them *JAMES 2:10-11. You are really ignoring all the posts in the scriptures shared with you and are not responding to them why?
I said the legally enforceable law to condemn, of which the ten commandments were part has been abolished, what is written in those commandments is transferred to tablets of human hearts. James2:10&11
Here is where you are guilty of watering down(somehow) God's law from the pristine level it is set at. As I have many times told you, you can break the tenth commandment in thought, without anyone but God knowing you have done so. Therefore to sin in thought, is to break the entire applicable law written on the heart. Do you truly believe you have broken the entire law if you sin in your mind? I do not think so. So what does that tell us? (iam putting it politely) You are as guilty as everyone else of being guilty of breaking the entire law according to James2:10
The problem with the Pharisees was, they had no love for God, in fact, Jesus said they did not even know his father. They loved the praise of men, more than seeking praise from the one true God. So they broke the first and greatest commandment, they ignored it. Then they demanded of the people what they did not demand of themselves and crushed them by doing so(Matt23(2&3) So they showed no love to their brothers and sisters did they. They broke the two greatest commandments on which the entire law hung.Please forgive me if I ask for clarification as your post is confusing. Are you saying that if we KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN we will not receive the wages of SIN which is death *ROMANS 6:23; REVELATION 22:12? THE NEW COVENANT promise is indeed God's LAW being written on the heart. Does that mean in your view we no longer break God's LAW or we continue to break God's LAW?
I have not watered down God's LAW at all. In fact I have posted that the role of JESUS was to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.
Here is an old thread made ages ago on the topic click me. Have a read of all the posts on the first page. If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
Hope this helps.
Can I ask you? You love your wife and she loves you, right? Yet just because you love each other, you don’t always act perfectly toward each other do you, marriages are not like that. Sometimes you may say something to your wife that upsets her, you may have had a bad day and snapped at her, we all do that at times don’t we. Well when you do upset your wife, can you go along happily without telling her you are sorry for how you acted? My guess is you cannot. As surely as night follow day you will tell her you are sorry for upsetting her, then you get your peace back and don’t feel bad anymore. Now between the time you upset your wife and say sorry for upsetting her, does she throw you out of the house and only let you back in when you apologise? My guess is not. Why not? Because she loves you. Why do you tell her you are sorry for how you acted? Because you love her and feel bad about it. Its instinctive to apologise isn’t it. Kinda the same with God if we love him I would say, for we know he loves usPlease forgive me if I ask for clarification as your post is confusing. Are you saying that if we KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN we will not receive the wages of SIN which is death *ROMANS 6:23; REVELATION 22:12? THE NEW COVENANT promise is indeed God's LAW being written on the heart. Does that mean in your view we no longer break God's LAW or we continue to break God's LAW?
I have not watered down God's LAW at all. In fact I have posted that the role of JESUS was to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.
Here is an old thread made ages ago on the topic click me. Have a read of all the posts on the first page. If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
Hope this helps.
Why repeat yourself when you know the answer is that God's 4th commandment is about sin for not remembering God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH and working on this day? Where does it say in God's 4th commandment that we are to gather on the Sabbath? The NEW TESTAMENT scriptures do not delete the OLD TESTAMENT. Everything from the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT. Together these are the WORD of GOD that we are to live by *MATTHEW 4:4.
HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
Hope this helps.
Hebrews 4:9 SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
Hope this helps.
I asked a simple question.
If you can not answer my question, then so be it. Can anyone provide any New Testament scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles, command the Church to gather on the Sabbath for worship? A commandment comes from a command. JLB
To anyone in this thread - Can anyone provide any New Testament scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles, command the Church to gather on the Sabbath for worship? A commandment comes from a command. JLB
No it certainly doesn’t help your theory.
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 This verse shows there is a future rest for the people of God. Nice try. JLB
I did not read all 40+ pages but am going to jump in here. I have wonderee over the sabbath (and other things) for years and here is some thoughts that have occurred to me in just yhe last five minutes. I was going to start my own thread but it would have been similiar to the OP.
Does it say or prophecy anywhere in the old testament that wjen the messiah cones that the sabbath would end? Please provide scriptures if available.
Jesus did say that he came not to destory the law but fulfill it. So unless the sabbath going away was something that was suppose ro occur with the messiah then I don't see why anyine would think it would go away. Remember the true messiah would not try not to lead anyone away from the law or prophecy of the OT. He would simply fullfill it. That's what Jesus said and done. At least that's how I understand it. Look forward to any comments.
Edit: sorry for all the mistakes but this website has a weird lag when typing on my phone.
Not if you mean written word - Yahweh is Spirit, and teaches us in spirit, as written (described) in the Epistles. Then, gradually, our minds learn words to express the spirituals the Father grants us in spirit - we may often have spiritual revelation we cannot put into words , such as while praying (as written in Scripture also - I think something like "groanings" without words).God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word).
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