THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

LoveGodsWord · Jun 28, 2018

συνείδησις said:
The 10 commandments do not give the knowledge that fornication and sodomy are sins. So you're correct. They give us A knowledge of what some sin is, but they do not give us the comprehensive knowledge of what sin is. And in reality, not even the whole law does that.

Are you sure? I think all sin has it's root origin in one way or another to breaking any one of the 10 commandments.

MATTHEW 19:9 [9], And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her who is put away does commit adultery.

"Fornication" Greek G4202; πορνεία; porneia; por-ni'-ah; From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

"Fornication" Hebrew; [Unlawful union] H2181 זנה; zânâh; zaw-naw' A primitive root (highly fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple forniciation, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): - (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) harlot, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.

Hope this helps..

συνείδησις · Jun 28, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Are you sure? I think all sin has it's root origin in one way or another to breaking any one of the 10 commandments.

That's absolutely true. The 10 commandments cover all sin, just as the 2 greatest commandments do. But you can't honestly tell me that you would know fornication or sodomy are sin from the 10 commandments. But you would know it from other parts of the law, and from following Christ's commandments to believe and love others as ourselves because the spirit witnesses to the truth.

Theo Book · Jun 28, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Arr I see, so in your view when Jesus says man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4) and 2 Timothy 3:16 says that All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, it is not really true if it does not agree with you.

The OLD COVENANT has GIVEN way to the NEW, but if you do not KNOW what the OLD is how can you know what thie NEW is?

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Do you have any scriptures to share?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."(James 4:17)

"All unrighteousness is sin:" (I John 5:17)

LoveGodsWord said:
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Those who know of good they can do, and that need doing, and do it not, shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Under Moses' law, "Do this" and "Don't do that" were spelled out in over 600 rules and regulations Israel was told to learn and know. Under the New Covenant there are two regulations, (1)"Do good." (2)Don't do bad."

It is so much easier, yet, so much harder, because many of us are accustomed to being told every move we can make, or cannot make. THAT is why it is important for parents to teach their children HOW to make good decisions, rather than teaching a list of "Do's" and "don't's."

LoveGodsWord said:
GOD's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.[/quote]

The ten commandment law given to Moses was never for Gentiles, rather, it was given to Israel ONLY. "The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.[Deut 5:2] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. [Gal 3:16]

Theo Book · Jun 28, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Theo Book,

Nice to meet you and welcome here. Did you want to explain your post? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

God made Covenant with ISRAEL ALONE. Not with Gentile Nations.
"The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day."[Deut 5:2]

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."[Gal 3:16]

tall73 · Jun 28, 2018

Ken Rank said:
I began to keep the Sabbath and the feasts because of Romans and Hebrews and because I began to align what was being said to the OT where quoted, factor in that context, look at the underlying language... roll it back into Hebrew since Hebrews was most certainly written in Hebrew, and so forth.

What evidence do you see for it being written in Hebrew?

The only text I think is referenced to have been written in Hebrew first was Matthew:

Epiphanius writes about the Nazarenes and their gospel:

They have the Gospel according to Matthew in its entirety in Hebrew. For it is clear that they still preserve this, in the Hebrew alphabet, as it was originally written.
Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion 29.9.4

Jerome also indicated a Hebrew origin for Matthew, but did not for other books:
I now speak of the New Testament, which is undoubtedly Greek, except the Apostle Matthew, who had first set forth the Gospel of Christ in Hebrew letters in Judea.
Letter from Jerome to Pope Damasus.

Ken Rank · Jun 28, 2018

tall73 said:
What evidence do you see for it being written in Hebrew?

The only text I think is referenced to have been written in Hebrew first was Matthew:

Epiphanius writes about the Nazarenes and their gospel:

They have the Gospel according to Matthew in its entirety in Hebrew. For it is clear that they still preserve this, in the Hebrew alphabet, as it was originally written.
Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion 29.9.4

Jerome also indicated a Hebrew origin for Matthew, but did not for other books:
I now speak of the New Testament, which is undoubtedly Greek, except the Apostle Matthew, who had first set forth the Gospel of Christ in Hebrew letters in Judea.
Letter from Jerome to Pope Damasus.

Jerome claimed to have an original and also the grammar structure (I am told by true linguists) rolls perfectly back into Hebrew for those two books. Beyond that... debates and arguments and I don't really care to go there. We have Greek copies... it is, for whatever reason, what God intended or we would have something else. Blessings.

tall73 · Jun 28, 2018

Ken Rank said:
Jerome claimed to have an original and also the grammar structure (I am told by true linguists) rolls perfectly back into Hebrew for those two books. Beyond that... debates and arguments and I don't really care to go there. We have Greek copies... it is, for whatever reason, what God intended or we would have something else. Blessings.

Do you have the Jerome reference to having a copy of Hebrews in Hebrew? It would have had to have been after the quote I referenced.

Do you have quotes from specific linguists?

I am not interested in arguing, I am just interested in the information. The Greek of Hebrews is some of the more refined, so it would be quite an undertaking to make Hebraisms in such Greek. It would be interesting to see an analysis.

Ken Rank · Jun 28, 2018

tall73 said:
Do you have the Jerome reference to having a copy of Hebrews in Hebrew? It would have had to have been after the quote I referenced.

Do you have quotes from specific linguists?

I am not interested in arguing, I am just interested in the information. The Greek of Hebrews is some of the more refined, so it would be quite an undertaking to make Hebraisms in such Greek. It would be interesting to see an analysis.

I do but can you drop me a private message to remind me. I am packing to leave for a week, will be back next week and just don't have enough time left to finish and leave and also put those references together. And I don't mind doing it... I need to have them better at hand anyway.

tall73 · Jun 28, 2018

Kaon said:
How to keep the Sabbath? The first day of the first month of the year is the new moon after the solstice/when the barley turns green in Israel. From there, six days you count and that is your sabbath day until the next year. Don't do any servile work, or any work you wouldn't normally do (i.e. cooking, setting up family time, electricity, etc.) The day was made for us by our Father - an entire day He made for our rest. And, it matters that it is on the 7th day.

You hold to a lunar Sabbath then? What evidence do you give for a lunar calculation to a rolling Sabbath, as opposed to the usual Friday sundown to Saturday Sundown? I have seen some info on it, but not a lot.

In that respect you seem to differ with the SDA's, etc. Do any other Messianics here keep a lunar Sabbath?

tall73 · Jun 28, 2018

Ken Rank said:
I do but can you drop me a private message to remind me. I am packing to leave for a week, will be back next week and just don't have enough time left to finish and leave and also put those references together. And I don't mind doing it... I need to have them better at hand anyway.

Thank you. I hope you have a good trip. I sent you the pm for when you return.

Dkh587 · Jun 28, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
I think this is the problem for many. They do not understand that the OLD COVENANT includes both the law of God (10 commandments) and the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin which are the shadow laws from the BOOK of the COVENANT that are fulfilled in Christ.

Appreciate your thoughts.

Well, the Bible defines it as God’s law, whether it’s the 10 Commandments or the Scroll of the Covenant. It’s interchangeably called the law of Moses and the law of God. Moses didn’t make up any of the commandments. God gave them to Moses to give to Israel, even the ones you deem to be “shadow laws”. Do you use this phrase to indicate that they should be discarded? I’m confused.

Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

tall73 · Jun 28, 2018

Dkh587 said:
The Greek word used in Romans 14:14 is koinos which means COMMON, not unclean. You clearly don’t understand the difference, as you have shown you don’t. You should know the difference as you have a Greek username, which would indicate that you at least know how to use a concordance.

I am not sure it is completely that simple just from a linguistic approach. Both words for common and unclean are used in Acts 10 for Peter, referring to the animals Peter saw.

Act 10:14 But Peter said, "By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."
Act 10:14 ὁ δὲ Πέτρος εἶπε· μηδαμῶς, Κύριε· ὅτι οὐδέποτε ἔφαγον πᾶν κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον.

What do you think Peter meant by common in this case, given the context being about the animals in the sheet?

(Note, I am not saying the point of Peter's dream was to make all foods clean. The point was given by Peter in regards to people. I am asking about the word usage. Peter may be conflating the two in this case).

Also in Romans 14 Paul uses the word clean, the same one used of clean animals in Lev. 11 in the LXX, saying everything is clean.

Rom 14:20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.
Rom 14:20 μὴ ἕνεκεν βρώματος κατάλυε τὸ ἔργον τοῦ Θεοῦ. πάντα μὲν καθαρά, ἀλλὰ κακὸν τῷ ἀνθρώπῳ τῷ διὰ προσκόμματος ἐσθίοντι.

Lev 11:47a To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between
Lev 11:47a διαστειλαι ανα μεσον τωνακαθαρτων και ανα μεσον των καθαρων

Of course, Paul also refers to idols as unclean.

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

This is an apparent reference to Isaiah 52:

Isa 52:10 The LORD has bared his holy arm before the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
Isa 52:11 Depart, depart, go out from there; touch no unclean thing; go out from the midst of her; purify yourselves, you who bear the vessels of the LORD

So here Paul is speaking of the gentiles who are coming from the unclean idols to the Lord.

And in Romans 14 the distinction is made between eating meat and only vegetables. That is not a distinction dealing with the laws in Lev. 11. But it could be a precaution for those afraid of eating meat dedicated to idols.

tall73 · Jun 28, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
I think this is the problem for many. They do not understand that the OLD COVENANT includes both the law of God (10 commandments) and the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin which are the shadow laws from the BOOK of the COVENANT that are fulfilled in Christ.

Appreciate your thoughts.

The problem is you are still missing quite a few laws if you break it into 10 commandments, and then the sacrificial laws.

Now you have in other places indicated a difference between the 10 commandments on stone, and the handwritten ordinances of the book of the law.

But while the 10 commandments on stone represented the words of the covenant, the covenant document, yet the covenant in Ex. 19 involved the people promising to do all the Lord commanded. He commanded more than the 10.

And we see in Matthew 5 again that when Jesus talks about the law and prophets not being done away with, and speaks about commandments, he references not only two of the 10 commandments (murder and adultery, but also commandments about divorce, oaths, eye for an eye, etc. with the same formula "you have heard".

Your distinction misses the point that the covenant document was a witness to the covenant agreement, not the totality of God's requirements.

Dkh587 · Jun 28, 2018

tall73 said:
I am not sure it is completely that simple just from a linguistic approach. Both words for common and unclean are used in Acts 10 for Peter, referring to the animals Peter saw.

Act 10:14 But Peter said, "By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."
Act 10:14 ὁ δὲ Πέτρος εἶπε· μηδαμῶς, Κύριε· ὅτι οὐδέποτε ἔφαγον πᾶν κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον.

What do you think Peter meant by common in this case, given the context being about the animals in the sheet?

(Note, I am not saying the point of Peter's dream was to make all foods clean. The point was given by Peter in regards to people. I am asking about the word usage. Peter may be conflating the two in this case).

Also in Romans 14 Paul uses the word clean, the same one used of clean animals in Lev. 11 in the LXX, saying everything is clean.

Rom 14:20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.
Rom 14:20 μὴ ἕνεκεν βρώματος κατάλυε τὸ ἔργον τοῦ Θεοῦ. πάντα μὲν καθαρά, ἀλλὰ κακὸν τῷ ἀνθρώπῳ τῷ διὰ προσκόμματος ἐσθίοντι.

Lev 11:47a To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between
Lev 11:47a διαστειλαι ανα μεσον τωνακαθαρτων και ανα μεσον των καθαρων

Of course, Paul also refers to idols as unclean.

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

This is an apparent reference to Isaiah 52:

Isa 52:10 The LORD has bared his holy arm before the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
Isa 52:11 Depart, depart, go out from there; touch no unclean thing; go out from the midst of her; purify yourselves, you who bear the vessels of the LORD

So here Paul is speaking of the gentiles who are coming from the unclean idols to the Lord.

And in Romans 14 the distinction is made between eating meat and only vegetables. That is not a distinction dealing with the laws in Lev. 11. But it could be a precaution for those afraid of eating meat dedicated to idols.

What Peter meant when he said he would not eat anything common, was that he would not eat the clean animals that were amongst the unclean animals

Back then, there was mannade tradition being taught that it was not allowed for them to eat clean animals that lived amongst/touched unclean animals. They considered clean animals like that to be considered common, even though they are CLEAN according to God (Leviticus 11), and they would not eat animals that were clean and were around unclean animals

Common is the opposite of holy.

Unclean is the opposite of clean

Common just means something is not set-apart/Holy

Peter was rejecting the CLEAN animals on the sheet, which was improper to do. the clean animals he was rejecting represented the Gentiles. Notice the voice said “What God has cleansed, do not call common or unclean”. Peter was incorrectly rejecting the clean animals on the sheet.

God did not cleanse pigs and and other unclean animals. Peter was incorrectly calling clean(Leviticus 11) animals COMMON(koinos). This was wrong for him to do so, because there is nothing wrong with something being common anyways, unless it is a holy garment or something specified as holy for the temple, for example.

But all of this was symbolic to teach Peter a lesson about accepting Gentiles who God had cleansed and was using. Which is why Peter said:

Acts 10:28
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Yahudim to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Peter took a while to finally grasp what God was showing him. He knew God would not tell him to eat unclean animals, so there had to be another lesson God was teaching him

There’s not a problem with things being “common” or “koinos” when it comes to animals, for example. That’s not in the law. What IS in the law, is clean and unclean animals. God was correcting Peter on multiple levels.

tall73 · Jun 28, 2018

NBB said:
But you are basically saying that we are going to hell... indirectly or not if not keeping the sabbath its the same as murder and sexual sin and etc. then the christians who not follow the sabbath are in unrepentant sin for you and to be judged about that.

I have not written above word of God anything but you are interpreting the bible your own way and other people other way. And in my experience the Holy spirit is not offended by my lack of sabbath keeping.

He is not allowed to say in this sub-forum that people are going to hell for not observing the law. So I suppose we should not ask if he believes that as it could be baiting.

But to save you some time, Ellen White, inspired author to Seventh-day Adventists says:

Satan is the sharpest critic that the world has ever known, and he works to hinder and pervert truth. He has induced men to strive to change the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Under his dictation the first day of the week has been adopted by the Christian world as the Sabbath. He has used his masterly mind to influence other men to adopt the same views that he himself entertains. But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

Those who reverence the commandments of Jehovah will, after the light has been given them in reference to the fourth precept of the decalogue, obey it without questioning the feasibility or convenience of such obedience. God made man in his own image, and then gave him an example of observing the seventh day, which he sanctified and made holy. He designed that man should worship him upon that day, and engage in no secular pursuits. No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

Here the discourse was broken in upon by questions from one who had kept the Sabbath a short time, but who had recently given it up. Rising in the congregation, he said, "This Sabbath question has been a great trouble to me during the last year, and now I would like to ask a question: Is the observance of the Sabbath necessary to my salvation? Answer, yes or no." I answered promptly, This is an important question, and demands something more full than yes or no. All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light. But none will be held accountable for light which they have never received. I then quoted the words of Christ, "If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin; but now they have no cloak for their sin." It was with the greatest difficulty, however, that I made these remarks; for the questioner kept jumping to his feet, and interrupting me, and in the most excited manner and with the most violent gestures demanding that the answer be yes or no. {HS 234.3}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. On the other hand, many have died conscientiously observing the first day of the week as the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. These will not be condemned, because they followed the best light they had. They will not be held responsible for light which they never received. Christ said to the scribes and Pharisees: "If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin; but now they have no cloak for their sin.' Again he said, "For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin; but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth." {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

tall73 · Jun 28, 2018

Dkh587 said:
What Peter meant when he said he would not eat anything common, was that he would not eat the clean animals that were amongst the unclean animals

Back then, there was mannade tradition being taught that it was not allowed for them to eat clean animals that lived amongst unclean animals. They considered clean animals like that to be considered common, even though they are CLEAN according to God (Leviticus 11), and they would not eat animals that were clean and were around unclean animals

Interesting. Do you have some historical reference to look over on them considering clean animals common if in the presence of unclean? And I agree with your later statement, common wouldn't mean not to be eaten. Unclean meant not to be eaten.

Common is the opposite of holy.

Unclean is the opposite of clean

Common just means something is not set-apart/Holy

Yes, but also if someone was in an unclean state they could not carry out a holy function, so there seems some overlap in the two concepts. But that is not the main point here.

Peter was rejecting the CLEAN animals on the sheet, which was improper to do. the clean animals he was rejecting represented the Gentiles. Notice the voice said “What God has cleansed, do not call common or unclean”

God did not cleanse pigs and and other unclean animals. Peter was incorrectly calling clean(Leviticus 11) animals COMMON(koinos). This was wrong for him to do so, because there is nothing wrong with something being common anyways, unless it is a holy garment or something specified as holy.

But all of this was symbolic to teach Peter a lesson about accepting Gentiles who God had cleansed and was using. Which is why Peter said:

Acts 10:28
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Yahudim to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Peter took a while to finally grasp what God was showing him. He knew God would not tell him to eat unclean animals, so there had to be another lesson God was teaching him

But then if God cleansed the gentiles, why does Peter take the notion away of calling any man common OR unclean? Wouldn't he just say unclean?

Under the paradigm you have suggested the gentiles would represent those who are common. What would the unclean animals represent then?

Just trying to understand your take on it.

But at the same time, Paul speaks about all things being clean in Roman 14, which was the same word as in Lev. 11. So what do you do with that aspect?

Kaon · Jun 28, 2018

tall73 said:
You hold to a lunar Sabbath then? What evidence do you give for a lunar calculation to a rolling Sabbath, as opposed to the usual Friday sundown to Saturday Sundown? I have seen some info on it, but not a lot.

Yes.

At or around the spring equinox, you need to determine the NEW MOON. This is the definition of the first day of the first month of the new year - in the month of Abib, when the barley begins to turn green. It should be the new moon after the equinox. Six days after that is your Sabbath; you keep every seventh day the same Sabbath until the next new moon at or around the spring equinox.

Names of days don't matter; each day is defined by from moonrise to moonrise/sunset to sunset.

In that respect you seem to differ with the SDA's, etc.

Yes.

BNR32FAN · Jun 28, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello all,

This thread is for friendly discussion only. So please be nice here.

The challenge I am putting up here is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...

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What makes the 10 commandments any more significant than God’s other 603 commandments? If we must keep the Saturday Sabbath then why not keep all of God’s commandments? The reason is because we are no longer under the letter of the law we are under the purpose of the law.

Kaon · Jun 28, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
What makes the 10 commandments any more significant than God’s other 603 commandments? If we must keep the Saturday Sabbath then why not keep all of God’s commandments? The reason is because we are no longer under the letter of the law we are under the purpose of the law.

We do have to keep all commandments of the Most High God. He is our Father; that shouldn't be a concern of a child whether or not s/he should obey their Parents - especially when the parents never said the law was inert, obsolete or abolished.

Don't let knuckleheads from the street (doctrine of men) get you in trouble at home (the Most High God). They talk a lot, but the Most High God is clear, and has not reneged on His requirement for perfection. He simply offers us Mercy while we get our act together - instead of obliterating us on the spot (well within His Law; fair.) Lucky for us, the Most High is Just rather than "fair." It isn't "fair" that we a second, third, and nonillionth chance at Life; however, it is Justified by the blood of the Redeemer. Nowhere are we relieved from our call to obedience.

tall73 · Jun 28, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
EXODUS 31:13-17 [13], Speak also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you. [14], You shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defiles it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. [15], Six days may work be done; but on the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever does any work on the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. [16], Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a EVERLASTING covenant. [17], It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

New Living Translation
The people of Israel must keep the Sabbath day by observing it from generation to generation. This is a covenant obligation for all time.

English Standard Version
Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.

New American Standard Bible
'So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.'

King James Bible
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Christian Standard Bible
The Israelites must observe the Sabbath, celebrating it throughout their generations as a permanent covenant.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let the children of Israel keep the sabbath, and celebrate it in their generations. It is an everlasting covenant

Darby Bible Translation
And the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations -- [it is] an everlasting covenant.

Now all of this links into the next key scripture as follows

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ISAIAH 66:22-23 [22], For as the NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your descendants and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the LORD.

But you count the Day of Atonement as a "shadow law", and it too was an everlasting statute:

Lev 16:34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.

And you count the Passover as a "shadow law" and it to was an ordinance for ever:

Exo 12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

And Jesus will eat the Passover in the kingdom:

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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