The Rule of Scripture ("Sola Scriptura" as Luther and Calvin called it)

[Rick Otto]

Excuse me, Sir, but the burden is not on myself. Scripture says that Jesus gave the keys to Peter. It is your burden to demonstrate that he gave them to anyone else.

I know with all certainty that Scripture does not record Christ giving anyone else the keys in person, or otherwise. It is up to you to shatter my belief.

He gives the same powers the keys represent to all the disciples present in Matthew 18:18.

 

[sunlover1]

If God saw fit to give the keys to Peter alone, who are you to question his will?

Scripture does not say that we all have the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Scripture only displays Christ giving the keys to Peter, and no other.

But common sense says that it wasn't Peter "alone"
And even Scripture doesn't say "alone"
Or did God give me a "locked up" Kingdom?
No.

 

[ivebeenshown]

But common sense says that it wasn't Peter "alone"
And even Scripture doesn't say "alone"
Or did God give me a "locked up" Kingdom?
No.

Your so-called 'common sense' doesn't matter, what matters is the Word of God. Does the Word of God say anywhere that Jesus gave them to anyone but Peter?

 

[ivebeenshown]

He gives the same powers the keys represent to all the disciples present in Matthew 18:18.

Does the Word of God state that the keys are equivalent to those privileges, or are you reading that into the text?

 

[ivebeenshown]

Dance all you wish, if you can't prove your point, why make the statement?

Why do you accuse me of 'dancing around' when you're the one suggesting that Jesus gave them to anyone else? I don't see anywhere in the bible that He did, so if you are going to claim that is the case you better make sure that the Word of God actually says that.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Your so-called 'common sense' doesn't matter, what matters is the Word of God. Does the Word of God say anywhere that Jesus gave them to anyone but Peter?

Good question! Inquiring minds want to know

http://www.christianforums.com/t7287910-23/#post55520274
How many people did Jesus promise the Keys to Heaven and Earth?


Matthew 16:19 "I shall be giving to thee the Keys of the kingdom of the heavens.
And which if-ever thou should be binding upon the land, shall be having been bound in the heavens, and which if ever thou should be loosing upon the land, shall be having been loosed in the heavens.

 

[ivebeenshown]

The reality is that some denominations have spun a load of theological beliefs about these keys without the slightest biblical foundation to support these beliefs.

Do you have the slightest biblical foundation to support the notion that the keys were given to anyone other than Peter?

It's really interesting to see that all of the same people who disbelieve in the assumption of the Virgin Mary because it's "not in the bible" will somehow believe that Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom of heaven to people besides Peter, when I can't find that anywhere in the bible.

Not to mention that all of these people don't submit to the government that God established within his Church.

 

[razeontherock]

Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom of heaven to Peter.

Sorry but Jesus was speaking to the Church. Otherwise that would have never been recorded in Scripture.

 

[razeontherock]

Your so-called 'common sense' doesn't matter, what matters is the Word of God. Does the Word of God say anywhere that Jesus gave them to anyone but Peter?

Does the Word of G-d say anywhere that God's gift is a locked-up Kingdom? Or does Scripture reveal we have access to the throne?

This is really basic stuff here.

 

[ivebeenshown]

Sorry but Jesus was speaking to the Church. Otherwise that would have never been recorded in Scripture.

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I see where Jesus clearly addresses Simon Barjona. The passage does not show Jesus addressing anyone but Peter/Simon. If you are going to claim that he is addressing anyone but Peter, you better be ready to show where that is, because I don't see it.

 

[Kepha]

Do you have the slightest biblical foundation to support the notion that the keys were given to anyone other than Peter?

Of course not. Jesus only used the singular you in the context of both giving the Keys and Binding on earth and Heaven and it's extremely naive to assume it was for everybody else when the other Apostles were right there with him. Wishful thinking would be to believe otherwise. Something very special was going on there without a doubt that involved Peter only.

 

[ivebeenshown]

Does the Word of G-d say anywhere that God's gift is a locked-up Kingdom? Or does Scripture reveal we have access to the throne?

This is really basic stuff here.

Why are you asking this 'basic stuff' instead of showing where Jesus addresses anyone but Peter to give the keys? Go ahead, show us where that happens. You've got the Scriptures at your fingertips.

If it's so basic, show me where it happens.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why are you asking this 'basic stuff' instead of showing where Jesus addresses anyone but Peter to give the keys? Go ahead, show us where that happens. You've got the Scriptures at your fingertips.

If it's so basic, show me where it happens.

Now if we can just get the unbelieving Jews of today to understand that

Reve 3:7 And to the Messenger of the in filadelfeia out-called write!
Now this is saying the Holy, the True, the One-having the Key of David, the one opening and no one shall be *locking and locking and no-one is opening.
[Isaiah 22:22]

 

[Kepha]

Sorry but Jesus was speaking to the Church. Otherwise that would have never been recorded in Scripture.

It certainly was. That's why the Church mentions that very verse at Mass to strengthen the faithful.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It certainly was. That's why the Church mentions that very verse at Mass to strengthen the faithful.

Does the EOC also? Just curious

 

[ARBITER01]

Why are you asking this 'basic stuff' instead of showing where Jesus addresses anyone but Peter to give the keys? Go ahead, show us where that happens. You've got the Scriptures at your fingertips.

If it's so basic, show me where it happens.

Actually, if this is directed only at Peter alone, then show us where this happened in scripture to Peter.

Jesus didn't lie here, so show us if this is a particular event for Peter alone as you suggest to everyone.

 

[sunlover1]

Your so-called 'common sense' doesn't matter, what matters is the Word of God.

Common sense does matter.
I'm not green.
"I am the vine; you are the branches.

Does the Word of God say anywhere that Jesus gave them to anyone but Peter?

We really don't know then do we?
Or does it say peter "alone"?
No, it doesn't.

So that leaves us with what? Common sense.

 

[Kepha]

Does the EOC also? Just curious

I honestly don't know. I've never been to an Orthodox Mass.

 

[ARBITER01]

Of course not. Jesus only used the singular you in the context of both giving the Keys and Binding on earth and Heaven and it's extremely naive to assume it was for everybody else when the other Apostles were right there with him. Wishful thinking would be to believe otherwise. Something very special was going on there without a doubt that involved Peter only.

If that is the case, then show us where it happened to peter in scripture.

 

[sunlover1]

Interesting that those who oppose SS want to use Scripture to prove a thing
(See title of thread)

Just an observation.