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How many followers left Him because they thought He was literally saying He is a door. The answer is ZERO.So does that mean Jesus is literally a door?
This is not accurate, I have seen in reality and from scripture that the gifts have not ceased. if you think so, bring your scripture that says the gifts have ceased. I am aware of the few scriptures that some try to bring, but they do not say what they are saying as scripture will prove. and the testimony of many will as well.In the absence of scripture, the early church were given revelatory gifts which have since ceased.
You miss what was said. Jesus said and this section of scripture is a very deep section about inner life as well and the Father teaching people inwardly in spirit even before they came to Jesus. But considerObviously. In your example his disciples did not ask "How can this man be made of wood?" In John 6 when his disciples questioned Him Jesus made it as clear as can be they were to eat His true flesh.
Read Post #983 it is for you alsoHow many followers left Him because they thought He was literally saying He is a door. The answer is ZERO.
It is clear His followers took His Words recorded on John 6 literally.
It is sad that over the past few hundred years people have skewed the meaning of John 6.
Here is a spiritual clue to what Jesus is talking ofHow many followers left Him because they thought He was literally saying He is a door. The answer is ZERO.
It is clear His followers took His Words recorded on John 6 literally.
It is sad that over the past few hundred years people have skewed the meaning of John 6.
"This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep...There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. 20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? 21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?" ( John 10:19 KJV)Obviously. In your example his disciples did not ask "How can this man be made of wood?" In John 6 when his disciples questioned Him Jesus made it as clear as can be they were to eat His true flesh.
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That’s the best answer you have??I did
That is why I said it was sad that the meaning of John 6 has been skewed over that past couple of hundred years.
Despite all the bolding of letter, all the different colors, your posts lack truth.That’s the best answer you have??
Bring all your best theologians, even 450 of them of you want and let’s see how they answer the verses I gave.
Go to the highest authorities over you and see if 450 of them will come and show any error in what I have shown in John 6.
And I wait for you to give sone response scripturally as well .
Again, that’s no answer.Despite all the bolding of letter, all the different colors, your posts lack truth.
If I had to decide who to believe, either Ignatius of Antioch (John the Apostle's student) or you, the master of colors and bolding of letter, I will choose Ignatius all the time.
I don't need to explain scripture, it has already been explained by the Holy Spirit.
agreed - and then they left Him... taking Him too literally.It is clear His followers took His Words recorded on John 6 literally.
Sure it is. I don't trust your interpretation. Isn't that clear enough?Again, that’s no answer.
We are not to put men above that which is written. And I would hear scripture from Paul over another who disagrees with scripture later on in history
Novel conclusion that go against close to 2,000 years of Church teaching.agreed - and then they left Him... taking Him too literally.
66 As a result of this many of His disciples left, and would no longer walk with Him
========= They were taking Him too literally
41 So then the Jews were complaining about Him because He said, “I am the bread that came down out of heaven.” 42 And they were saying, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, ‘I have come down out of heaven’?”... 51 I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats from this bread, he will live forever; and the bread which I will give for the life of the world also is My flesh.”
literally living bread falling down literally out of heaven... or possible the John 1 "Word" where the lesson of Manna is brought into John 6's discussion about manna -- "man does not live by bread alone but by every WORD the comes from the mouth of God" Deut 8:3
52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”...58 This is the bread that came down out of heaven, not as the fathers ate and died; the one who eats this bread will live forever.”
Jesus says He is already bread - that already came down out of heaven and already is supposed to be eaten... not "some day in the future I will turn into bread and in the future you must eat my flesh".
66 As a result of this many of His disciples left, and would no longer walk with Him.
---- the real lesson of John 6
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh provides no benefit; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit, and are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray Him. 65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
66 As a result of this many of His disciples left, and would no longer walk with Him. 67 So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to leave also, do you?” 68 Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.
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YET ANOTHER example where His followers were taking the symbol of BREAD too literally.
Matt 16:5 And the disciples came to the other side of the sea, but they had forgotten to bring any bread. 6 And Jesus said to them, “Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 7 They began to discuss this among themselves, saying, “He said that because we did not bring any bread.” 8 But Jesus, aware of this, said, “You men of little faith, why are you discussing among yourselves the fact that you have no bread? 9 Do you not yet understand nor remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets you picked up? 10 Nor the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many large baskets you picked up? 11 How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you about bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
In both Matt 16 and John 6 - bread is used as a symbol for teaching
John 6
Yes. But here no one there thought Jesus was saying he was a real door, with a handle and made out of wood with wooden hinges. But when Jesus spoke of eating His true Flesh, you can see the disbelief of some in John 6. Yet when questioned Jesus became more emphatic. Disciples left because they could not believe the words of Jesus about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, He was not there to fool or trick them into going."This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep...There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. 20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? 21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?" ( John 10:19 KJV)
No, you seem to have a bias against anything that would challenge your traditional view. But let scripture speak through the spirit if you have ears to hear. The spirit quickens the flesh profiteth nothing. as Jesus said,Sure it is. I don't trust your interpretation. Isn't that clear enough?
You do not see or hear what Jesus was saying. It is a spiritual revelation. we can eat and drink Jesus in a spiritual way as scripture shows.Yes. But here no one there thought Jesus was saying he was a real door, with a handle and made out of wood with wooden hinges. But when Jesus spoke of eating His true Flesh, you can see the disbelief of some in John 6. Yet when questioned Jesus became more emphatic. Disciples left because they could not believe the words of Jesus about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, He was not there to fool or trick them into going.
Jesus is the Lamb of God, He linked the Holy Eucharist to the Passover where the Passover celebration was not complete until one ate the lamb.
a;so, here is another things to consider in John 6 we read,Yes. But here no one there thought Jesus was saying he was a real door, with a handle and made out of wood with wooden hinges. But when Jesus spoke of eating His true Flesh, you can see the disbelief of some in John 6. Yet when questioned Jesus became more emphatic. Disciples left because they could not believe the words of Jesus about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, He was not there to fool or trick them into going.
Jesus is the Lamb of God, He linked the Holy Eucharist to the Passover where the Passover celebration was not complete until one ate the lamb.
Well, do you trust Jesus interpretation of how to have eternal life? Jesus speaks of eternal life there and he is eternal life (1 John 1:2, 1 John 5:20 KJV)Sure it is. I don't trust your interpretation. Isn't that clear enough?
It is not a novel conclusion. He quoted scripture which is before the novel interpretation of later men.Novel conclusion that go against close to 2,000 years of Church teaching.
The colour text ( as least in my post) highlight certain words. It is for emphasis.When will everyone learn that underlining, red text, and bolding text does nothing to support your arguments!
I have a bias against a self appointed experts who contradict what scripture says, what the Early Church Father taught, what the Church has consistently taught for close to 2,000 years. Don't take it personally, I just don't trust your interpretation.No, you seem to have a bias against anything that would challenge your traditional view
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