As I have also previously explained to you, that verse is referring to specific unique situation when believers are persecuted and dragged before the courts, and the Spirit will give them the words to say. It doesn't tell us how that process works (presumably the Spirit takes control of their vocal organs), but as it is for a specific situation we cannot apply that as a general rule.
Again you error. My point was that God does speak in men. This is evident by the Father speaking in them (Matthew 10:20 KJV). This is proof that the Father can and does speak in believers. It does not say in the text that the Father will only speak in them. Jesus includes all men who believe hearing the father when he says
"44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."(John 6:44,45 KJV)
This is clear they are all taught of God and hear the Father
first and learned of the Father
first, then they come to Jesus. So the words Jesus said to His disciples would apply to any who God leads into such a situation. And we saw that they shall all be taught of God and hear the Father and learn from the Father. ALL, is by no means just the apostles.
You are taking the verse out of context. The word the Israelites heard in their ears was that of their human teachers, not God speaking to them. Read the previous verse.
some thoughts on this verse from others. But notice it says "
a" voice. This may connect with the teaching of the Spirit. John said we have no need that any man teach us but the anointing teacheth us all things and is truth.
some thoughts
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
And thine ears shall hear a word - A command or admonition. You shall not be left without spiritual guides and directors.
Behind thee - That is, says Vitringa,
the voice of conscience, as an "invisible" guide, shall admonish you. The idea, however, seems to be that if they were ignorant of the way, or if they were inclined to err, they should be admonished of the true path which they ought to pursue. The idea is taken either from the practice of teachers who are represented as "following" their pupils and admonishing them if they were in danger of going astray (Grotius; or from shepherds, who are represented as following their flocks, and directing them when they wandered.
The Jews understand this voice 'from behind' to be the כל בת bath kol - 'the daughter of the voice;' a divine admonition which they suppose attends the pious. The essential thought is, that they would not be left without
a guide and instructor; that, if they were inclined to go astray, they would be recalled to the path of truth and duty. Perhaps there is the idea, also, that
the admonition would come from some "invisible" influence, or from some unexpected quarter, as it is often the case that those who are inquiring on the subject of religion receive light from quarters where they least expected, and from sources to which they were not looking. It is also true that the admonitions of Providence,
of conscience, and of the Holy Spirit, seem often to come from "behind" us. that is, they "recall" us from the path in which we were going, and restrain us from a course that would be fraught with danger."
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
"...This "voice behind" is by the Jews (e) interpreted of Bath Kol; and by others of the
voice of conscience; but
it rather intends the Spirit of God, and
his grace;...This is the way, walk ye in it;
it directs to Christ the way, and who is
the only way of life and salvation to be
walked in by faith,"
Geneva Study Bible
And thy ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This
is the way, {s} walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
(s)
God will direct all your ways and appoint you how to go either hither or thither."
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
21. thine ears shall hear a word behind thee]
that of Jehovah, walking like a Father behind His children. Cf.
Isaiah 29:18."
I have already refuted that argument in a previous post.
"If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him" is a mistranslation of the KJV. Only the King James versions and its derivatives translate Eph 4:21 in that way, and it should not be taken out of context from the previous verse. Other bible versions give a more accurately translation of these 2 verses. It does not say we hear Christ personally, nor does it say we are taught by him as the KJV erroneously makes it appear.
I disagree with you 100 percent here and i trust and believe the word from Holy scripture in the KJV.
If we look at the section of scripture there we see this is the case.
"15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. 17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:"(Ephesians 4:15-21 KJV)
Obviously the Context is Jesus is the head of the church and as the head he works effectually in every part to make increase of the body where they have heard him and been taught by him and through Him they edify one another. Then Paul says statements of those who are alienated from the life of God and in the vanity of their mind and blind in their
heart as a comparison to the true believers who have had Jesus Christ work effectually in then and renew their mind and teach them. He is saying that the way they can know they are in Christ if they have heard him and been taught by him. Paul said a similar thing to the Corinthians when he said
"5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"(2 Cor 13:5 KJV)
The KJV gets it right. It is amazing how one word can change men's views of God working in them and hearing His voice.
The "anointing" in this verse is referring to biblical teaching, not God. We can tell this from the neuter pronoun "it" at the end of the verse. Plus the "abides in you" here is clearly referring to the same "abides in you" spoken of a few verses earlier - "and the word of God abides in you" (v14) and "If what you heard from the beginning abides in you" (v24).
Did you actually read the verse? You are very wrong in this section.
John shows them that they did not need men to teach them. He wrote this in contrast to those who were deceiving them. He says that the
anointing is
OF HIM, and John does connect this anointing abiding in them to the word of God (the seed Christ in them as he mentions in 1 John 3:9) John also writes that this abiding
is in Him,
in God. We read,
"24 Let that therefore abide in you [showing the inner spiritual reality here], which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you[this is speaking of an inward spiritual work], and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth [Jesus said he is the way the truth and the life and that the truth would make them free, if the Son therefore shall make you free...], and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him [there is a overlapping of word here John speaks of the anointing and the Son and the father and they abiding in the Son and in the Father and in the anointing and in the word. We often see similar expression used to describe Jesus Even John says in the first chapter of this book that the word of life was seen and handled and he is referring to Jesus Christ. In 1 John 3:9 John says that whosoever is born of God hath His seed in him]. 28 And now, little children, abide in him [again John brings it back to abiding in him, personal pro nound]; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."(1 John 2:24-28 KJV
Consider also how John uses the
"word" in his discussion when speaking of Jesus Christ who is the Word of God
"1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us ) 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."( 1 John 1:1-3 KJV)
The "anointing" in this verse is referring to biblical teaching, not God.
The word
"anointing" means -
"the special edowment ("chrism") of the Holy Spirit, unction.
The same word in Greek is used in a few verses above vs 27 where we read,
"20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things."(1 John 2:20"
The word
"unction" is the same word in Greek as
"anointing", showing that John is writing about the spiritual revealing and teaching in their hearts by the Spirit of God. In fact John says we know ALL things in the unction from the Holy One. This spiritual teaching comes from God the Holy one and is His work in us. (maybe re-read 1 Cor 2 again , maybe about 100 times in prayer) This is similar to when Jesus spoke of the Holy Ghost guiding them into all truth.
The very fact that John said they did not need a man to teach them is a clue to the spiritual aspect of what he is saying. The word of God is connected to the anointing and to Him, or God in the Son and the father in the section.
When God speaks
in us and leads us this anointing or unction is the endowment of the Holy Spirit working
in us. This is the way we know ALL things as 1Cor 2 shows as well. It comes directly from God in us and is from His power and life and the Holy Spirit.
Those were actual words spoken to Philip by the Spirit. Luke quotes the exact words the Spirit said in quotation marks. If the Spirit did not say those exact words to Philip then Luke was lying.
My point in showing this was that the
Spirit spoke to Philip and
directed him where to go and
led him. Luke wrote what he heard from Philip. This shows clearly that God does speak directly to believers (in this case a non apostle) and that this is part of what it means to be led of the Spirit and to hear His voice.
Again you have been shown to be in error in these comments you make. In every one.
