The Rosary Doesn't Do Much For Me...

tz620q · Mar 25, 2019

Albion said:
Personally, I do not think using the rosary is idolatry, but neither do I think that the supposed spiritual benefits believed to come from praying the rosary or, for that matter, directing ones prayers to a created being rather than to God, is proper.

Not sure if this was directed at me; but here goes. Not proper for whom? For you or Major1? Then fine, we will try to not force you to say a rosary. Not proper for Alex? He has already answered that question. You see any comment against another's prayer life sets one up as the Prayer Police, which seems a job more suited to God. For you see, it is not the words that constitute the prayer but the attitude of the heart. If the rosary inclines ones heart towards God, then how can it be a bad thing. I would contend that people who pray the rosary daily, probably pray more than nearly all other Christians. Do you really want to try to stop that?

concretecamper · Mar 25, 2019

Major1 said:
YOU have failed to show where the ROSARY is mentioned in the Scriptures at all.

I never claim the word rosary is in scripture.

Major1 said:
I do not actually have to PROVE anything. We as Christians should live by faith.

becasue you can't prove it. You follow a man made belief.

Major1 · Mar 25, 2019

tz620q said:
Not sure if this was directed at me; but here goes. Not proper for whom? For you or Major1? Then fine, we will try to not force you to say a rosary. Not proper for Alex? He has already answered that question. You see any comment against another's prayer life sets one up as the Prayer Police, which seems a job more suited to God. For you see, it is not the words that constitute the prayer but the attitude of the heart. If the rosary inclines ones heart towards God, then how can it be a bad thing. I would contend that people who pray the rosary daily, probably pray more than nearly all other Christians. Do you really want to try to stop that?

Please do not misunderstand my position. I for one do not care what you do.

I am not condemning your actions and you are free to do what you choose to do.

ALL I am saying and have said is that there are some things that are done which can not be called Bible Christian actions and the Rosary is an example of that.

I would say the same thing about some Protestant believers who say that infant baptism is essential to salvation. Again, you can do it but you can not claim it to be Biblical Christianity because there is nothing in the Bible that says that.

AvilaSurfer · Mar 25, 2019

Late to the party I know. But if you’re praying the Rosary to get something out of it, you’re doing it wrong.

Major1 · Mar 25, 2019

Unofficial Reverand Alex said:
Wow, I forgot I had this post!

That was awhile ago when I posted this, and shortly afterwards, a particularly aggressive reply tried to bash the Rosary by bringing up one of the 15 Promises of the Rosary. Intrigued, I checked out what they were, and since then I've been much more dedicated to it; I guess I just needed to understand what I was doing a little better!

Also, I've come across something really good for my spiritual life, called the Scripture Rosary. It reads a Bible verse before each "Hail Mary", a verse that refers to the Mystery in that particular Decade. I've found one on YouTube for each of the 4 sets of Mysteries, downloaded them on my tablet, and now I do it every day, immersing myself in Scripture while I do what I've come to recognize as one of our most powerful prayers! (Perhaps the Mass is the only prayer stronger, but I've found that trust may be the strongest prayer of all).

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God be with us & bless us, all the days of our lives!

I guess that you have read what you posted???? Just in case you have not done that allow me to point out some things that are shall I say...…."Questionable to a lot of people".

1st Promise...........
"Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces."
"Serve me"?? Um NO! I think if you will check the Bible you will find that We only serve Jesus.

Then is there anywhere in the Bible that says.....Mary can give out graces??

4th Promise...….
"The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish."

Really? So by reciting and making devotion to Mary will make sure we don't go to Hell.
That's what YOU believe????

John 3:16...……..
". For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life".

John 14:6...………..
"Jesus said unto them, I am the way the truth and the life and NO ONE COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME".

Promise #8...………...
I shall deliver from Purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

Purgatory isn't in the bible, and even if that were so I doubt Mary has the power to do that since she didn't die on the Cross from my sins. Why would I have to go to purgatory anyway all my sins are paid for at the foot of the Cross??

Promise #14...…….
Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination
So Mary is a Calvinist now????

What are the Biblical references for this promise?

Major1 · Mar 25, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
Late to the party I know. But if you’re praying the Rosary to get something out of it, you’re doing it wrong.

There is NO reason to do it when you can do as the Bible tells us and that is to pray to the Lord Jesus Christ.

tz620q · Mar 25, 2019

Major1 said:
Of course your idea of truth and mine are very different.

My understanding comes from the Bible and yours comes from other men and that is called "Traditions".

It is an odd phenomenon today, that we accept science, which is created from theories proposed by men and enshrined in textbooks. Yet, for religion we start with the textbook and ignore the men that wrote it.

AvilaSurfer · Mar 25, 2019

Major1 said:
There is NO reason to do it when you can do as the Bible tells us and that is to pray to the Lord Jesus Christ.

LOL

Major1 · Mar 25, 2019

tz620q said:
It is an odd phenomenon today, that we accept science, which is created from theories proposed by men and enshrined in textbooks. Yet, for religion we start with the textbook and ignore the men that wrote it.

That is simply because Christianity is found IN the Bible and science and Religion is found in the minds of men.

Major1 · Mar 25, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
LOL

Love your comment!

Albion · Mar 25, 2019

tz620q said:
Not sure if this was directed at me; but here goes.

No. It was simply to state my view on the matter more clearly and to distinguish it (for anyone who cares) from the view expressed by Major1. All that is just for the sake of clarity.

As for you asking about my use of the word proper, I wondered at the time if that might be inadequate. Think of it as meaning unbiblical or unscriptural or wrong. Whether it is idolatry or heresy or a sin or something else is not the issue with me; it is just wrong.

If the rosary inclines ones heart towards God, then how can it be a bad thing.

It is stunning that anyone here would say something like this. There are ALL SORTS OF religious devotions or prayers that are wrong by the standards we all, as Christians, acknowledge, quite apart from whether or not engaging in them makes the person feel closer to God! Many cults, for example, have some such and none of us just passes them off as harmless so long as it makes them feel closer to God (which by all that we know...it does).

Lost4words · Mar 25, 2019

Major1 said:
That is simply because Christianity is found IN the Bible and science and Religion is found in the minds of men.

God gave us science and religion.

tz620q · Mar 25, 2019

Albion said:
No. It was simply to state my view on the matter more clearly and to distinguish it (for anyone who cares) from the view expressed by Major1. All that is just for the sake of clarity.

As for you asking about my use of the word proper, I wondered at the time if that might be inadequate. Think of it as meaning unbiblical or unscriptural or wrong. Whether it is idolatry or heresy or a sin or something else is not the issue with me; it is just wrong.

It is stunning that anyone here would say something like this. There are ALL SORTS OF religious devotions or prayers that are wrong by the standards we all, as Christians, acknowledge, quite apart from whether or not engaging in them makes the person feel closer to God! Many cults, for example, have some such and none of us just passes them off as harmless so long as it makes them feel closer to God (which by all that we know...it does).

Well we all have standards which we judge right and wrong. Ultimately, it is not up to us to judge. God will judge whether these people worshiped Him appropriately or not. That has nothing to do with how the person feels as an emotional response. I would hope that all of our spirituality is deeper than merely invoking nice "feelings". Frankly, I can't stand a lot of the happy, clappy worship that starts with a professional Christian rock band and ends with a vague, feel good message. While I don't think that is appropriate worship, I am not judgmental enough to make it a campaign to stop it.

Albion · Mar 25, 2019

Lost4words said:
I see this too. Non Catholics getting upset by our faith.

First, we did not call anyone "non-Evangelicals" or "non-Protestants;" and second, the discussion has been about the rosary, just as was requested by the original poster.

Very little can be said, even erroneously, to have amounted to *being upset about your faith.*

Albion · Mar 25, 2019

tz620q said:
Well we all have standards which we judge right and wrong. Ultimately, it is not up to us to judge. God will judge whether these people worshiped Him appropriately or not. That has nothing to do with how the person feels as an emotional response. I would hope that all of our spirituality is deeper than merely invoking nice "feelings". Frankly, I can't stand a lot of the happy, clappy worship that starts with a professional Christian rock band and ends with a vague, feel good message. While I don't think that is appropriate worship, I am not judgmental enough to make it a campaign to stop it.

Then we seem to be of similar minds about that. That's good.

AvilaSurfer · Mar 25, 2019

Major1 said:
Love your comment!

Since you’re not Catholic, when it comes to the Rosary, I could not possibly care less what you love or don’t love or think.
Also since you like to keep using the word “biblically”, there is nowhere in the Bible where it says all truth is in the Bible. God gave us brains, and saints, and Doctors of the Church for a reason.

St. Helens · Mar 25, 2019

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Lost4words · Mar 25, 2019

The OP was not asking if the Rosary was Biblical or not, yet we have people giving their opinion on it.

Lost4words · Mar 25, 2019

Yes, the Rosary is a completely biblical prayer

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Dear Mike, I appreciate you reaching out to me and offering the opportunity to clarify a common misconception many hold about the Rosary and Catholics’ devotion to Mary. First, the Rosary is not a prayer to Mary. It is a meditation on the life of Christ. Each mystery of the rosary is focused on the very Biblical events of the Gospels. To say that the Rosary is not biblical is not accurate at all. When you look at the components of the Rosary individually you’ll see 1) that every part of the Rosary is biblical in nature and 2) each part has deep meaning contrary to the claim of “mindless pagan babbling” or “vain repetition” that it’s often described as. I invite you to read Fr. Longenecker’s comments on vain repetition for a deeper understanding of Matthew 6:7, and also read Elizabeth Scalia’s thoughts on the question, here. The Rosary is composed of the following prayers – Ave Maria (Hail Mary), Pater Noster (the Lord’s Prayer, given to us by Christ Himself), Gloria Patri (Glory Be), Apostles Creed, the various mysteries of faith, and a concluding Salve Regina. When Catholics pray the “Hail, Mary” prayer they are not praying toMary but are asking for her prayers of intercession for us, in the same manner that you may ask friends, family, or your clergy to pray for you. Only her intercessory prayers are more powerful because she is the Mother of our Lord and sits at His side in Heaven. The Hail Mary prayer is taken straight out of the Bible, off the lips of the Archangel Gabriel, the messenger of the Lord (Luke 1:28 NAB), and from Elizabeth’s words of praise when the child in her womb recognized Jesus as the Messiah (Luke 1:42 NAB) . The doxology Gloria Patri, or Glory Be, is nothing more than a hymn of praise to the Holy Trinity. “Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen” The Mysteries of the Rosary are meditated on while praying each decade (ten Hail Mary beads), with the purposes of drawing the person praying deeper into reflecting on Christ’s’ joys, sacrifices, sufferings, and the glorious miracles of His life. I can’t think of any other prayer in the world richer in biblical and theological meaning, more profound and spiritually beautiful than the Rosary. It’s a chain of prayer that binds us to God. That is why I encourage folks to the pray the Rosary and invite and encourage you to pray it as well. I also think you would enjoy the writings of Scott Hahn. Before he was a well-known Catholic writer and apologist he was staunchly anti-Catholic Presbyterian minister. If you are earnestly seeking knowledge the best place to start is with his books, Rome Sweet Home and Hail Holy Queen. I truly wish you the best.

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